Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Had a dream last night and it went like this: To Montreal: - John Tavares To New York: - Alex Galchenyuk - Mike McCarron - 2016 1st round pick I would do it in a heartbeat. The Islanders as a franchise would fold immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Had a dream last night and it went like this: To Montreal: - John Tavares To New York: - Alex Galchenyuk - Mike McCarron - 2016 1st round pick I wouldn't do that bud, no way. Galchenyuk is just starting to show us his potential, which in my mind is almost as high as Tavares, just my opinion, and granted, I haven't seen Tavares as much as Galchenyuk. I probably would agree that Tavares is the better all round player now at least, if not for their entire careers, but the addition of that 2016 1st rounder just makes this proposed deal a no go for me... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I wouldn't do that bud, no way. Galchenyuk is just starting to show us his potential, which in my mind is almost as high as Tavares, just my opinion, and granted, I haven't seen Tavares as much as Galchenyuk. I probably would agree that Tavares is the better all round player now at least, if not for their entire careers, but the addition of that 2016 1st rounder just makes this proposed deal a no go for me... Boy, I have trouble seeing Galchenyuk in Tavares's class - that would make him a top-5 forward in the NHL, no? In any case, the proposal is straight out of dreamland and not gonna happen in this or any universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 CC, in defense of my words, I did say "almost" and admitted Tavares was the better all round player, now and likely all their careers. I really don't think Tavares is a top 5 forward in the entire league either. There were 13 forwards ahead of him in league scoring, and let's be honest, Canadiens sucked ass compared to the Islanders as a team in 2016, especially in the scoring department, Alex had 3 less goals... and when the chips were down against the Lightning, Tavares folded like an October flower. Having said that, John T is about a .90 ppg last year, and Alex a .70, so you win! I hope that Okposo is Galchenyuk's winger next year, just so you and I can look back and compare notes on this subject In reality, the inclusion of McCarron didn't bother me in this deal, it was the 1st rounder, and Galchenyuk's level of play last year, that made the difference not worth the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Tavares performances last season were below his own standard. He did have a wonderful March-April, but he was WAY behind his potential from November to March. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 The only way the Islanders make that deal is if they bring Mike Milbury back as GM. Tavares is one of the best players in the world who also happens to be signed to a ridiculously cheap 5.5 m for the next two seasons. He is definitely underrated and has carried that franchise on his back since he got there. They can have all our draft picks this year on top of that proposal and I'd still do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Habs say yesIsles say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Galchenyuk putting up 70pts next year. He leaks star potential Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Galchenyuk putting up 70pts next year. He leaks star potential He also leaks defensive game, which Tavares has in spades. Tavares is the second coming of Joe Sakic. He's the all around guy you can rely on in exhibition, regular season, or playoffs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I like the optimism around Galy, though, and tend to share it - with the caveat that he did most of his scoring on a ridiculous tear in the last chunk of the season, when the Habs were out of it. That's a famously bad time in which to be evaluating talent. Not trying to be a downer, but the optimism should come with that small asterisk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 He also leaks defensive game, which Tavares has in spades. Tavares is the second coming of Joe Sakic. He's the all around guy you can rely on in exhibition, regular season, or playoffs. So? I wouldn't trade Galchenyuk,McCarron and our 9th overall pick for Tavares. Galchenyuk has the potential to be a point per game player, McCarron could be a solid 2/3 C in the next couple years, and the 9th overall will probably be a huge piece of this roster in 2 years. Not worth it in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 So? I wouldn't trade Galchenyuk,McCarron and our 9th overall pick for Tavares. Galchenyuk has the potential to be a point per game player, McCarron could be a solid 2/3 C in the next couple years, and the 9th overall will probably be a huge piece of this roster in 2 years. Not worth it in my eyes. Potential don't pay the bills. Do you know how many players average PPG or near PPG anymore? Very few. Tavares has pretty much done it the last four seasons. He's also two points off from being PPG in the playoffs. On the Islanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I hear ya. I've watched Tavares since his Knights days too, I just wouldn't do it. I don't really have much argument. Just how I feel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Galchenyuk has the potential to be a point per game player, McCarron could be a solid 2/3 C in the next couple years, and the 9th overall will probably be a huge piece of this roster in 2 years. Your reasoning has to do with "what ifs". Potential, could and probably are words used to describe what you hope they become down the road. Tavares is already money, and has always been. I can't think of a skater off the top of my head that scores more in relation to the rest of his team. He would have won the Hart last year if Price didn't have his amazing season. The Habs are primed to win now, not hope for the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 I wouldn't do that bud, no way. Galchenyuk is just starting to show us his potential, which in my mind is almost as high as Tavares, just my opinion, and granted, I haven't seen Tavares as much as Galchenyuk. I probably would agree that Tavares is the better all round player now at least, if not for their entire careers, but the addition of that 2016 1st rounder just makes this proposed deal a no go for me... Some say whomever gets the best player in the trade wins the deal. Tavares 'is' the best player in that deal but...I agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 It's a proposal that the islanders almost certainly wouldn't do, and I undersrtand why. That being said, as a habs fan I don't exactly want to jump at it either. I know there are ifs, but Galchenyuk is a 21 year old 30 goal scorer. McCarron is a 20 year old who has already played in the NHL, and proven he can produce in a men's league as a rookie. The 9th overall pick generally yields a solid NHLer. The most recent: Bo Horvat, Jacob Trouba, Nikolaj Ehlers, and Timo Meier all seem to have very bright futures. MTL getting Tavares probably wins the trade but I hate the what ifs, If Galchenyuk put up 70 from now on, McCarron becomes a huge 2-way center, and the 9th becomes a Couture. But then I what if Galchenyuk only puts up 50s, McCarron fizzles as a 4th liner and the 9th busts. I'll leave it to the pros because I think I have too much of an NHL Be a GM mentality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 De la Rose and a second for Hartnall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nihilz Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Pacioretty & Desharnais +++ Tavares & rights to negotiate with Okposo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 De la Rose and a second for Hartnall I wouldn't trade anything of value for Hartnell and would demand they eat part of his salary or maybe make them take Emelin or Desaharnais. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Pacioretty & Desharnais +++ Tavares & rights to negotiate with Okposo You know this is another non-starter for the Islanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMAC Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 De la Rose and a second for Hartnall Why? If we were to take Hartnel, a 2nd or better yet a 3rd round pick would be enough due to his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDriveFor25 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 I wouldn't trade DLR for Hartnell straight up.. why add a draft pick? Hartnell is 34.. and has three ugly years left on his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 I wouldn't trade DLR for Hartnell straight up.. why add a draft pick? Hartnell is 34.. and has three ugly years left on his contract. Yeah I agree, CBJ have been trying to dump him, so I think a 3rd and maybe a 5th or 6th is plenty. Why give up on DLR so early? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 To Montreal Scott Hartnell To Columbus David Desharnais or Lars Eller or Alexei Emelin Chicago's second rounder 2018 or one of the two second rounders this year if necessary. Desharnais saves the Jackets $1.25 mil in cap space this year and then is off the books, whereas Hartnell has 3 more years. The second rounder is the cost of shipping out a bad contract on the Habs end. Eller also saves the Jackets $1.25 mil for the next two seasons, but might be a more useful player to Columbus than Desharnais. Emelin only saves them $650K over the next two seasons and also has one less year of term. The Jackets were rumored to be looking to revamp their blueline which is why I included him. I think Hartnell would be a good fit on Montreal's 2nd line and even if the final season of his contract is bad, Habs aren't going to find a friendlier contract in the free agent market for the second line. I doubt they find someone for less than $5mil for 3 years that would be more effective than Hartnell. Hartnell's contract also expires at the same time as Pacioretty's, which would give the Habs extra cap space to resign Pacioretty. Also if the Habs were able to move one of Desharnais, Eller, or Emelin as part of the deal they would only eat up $650K to $1.25 mil of their available cap space allowing them to still sign a high profile winger (Okposo, Eriksson, Ladd, take your pick) on July 1st. Feel free to add or subtract from that trade proposal. I wouldn't trade for Hartnell unless the Habs were unloading a contract the other way. He would eat up too much of Montreal's available cap space to trade just picks and or prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 To Montreal Scott Hartnell To Columbus David Desharnais or Lars Eller or Alexei Emelin Chicago's second rounder 2018 or one of the two second rounders this year if necessary. Desharnais saves the Jackets $1.25 mil in cap space this year and then is off the books, whereas Hartnell has 3 more years. The second rounder is the cost of shipping out a bad contract on the Habs end. Eller also saves the Jackets $1.25 mil for the next two seasons, but might be a more useful player to Columbus than Desharnais. Emelin only saves them $650K over the next two seasons and also has one less year of term. The Jackets were rumored to be looking to revamp their blueline which is why I included him. I think Hartnell would be a good fit on Montreal's 2nd line and even if the final season of his contract is bad, Habs aren't going to find a friendlier contract in the free agent market for the second line. I doubt they find someone for less than $5mil for 3 years that would be more effective than Hartnell. Hartnell's contract also expires at the same time as Pacioretty's, which would give the Habs extra cap space to resign Pacioretty. Also if the Habs were able to move one of Desharnais, Eller, or Emelin as part of the deal they would only eat up $650K to $1.25 mil of their available cap space allowing them to still sign a high profile winger (Okposo, Eriksson, Ladd, take your pick) on July 1st. Feel free to add or subtract from that trade proposal. I wouldn't trade for Hartnell unless the Habs were unloading a contract the other way. He would eat up too much of Montreal's available cap space to trade just picks and or prospects. I would take either deal preferably DD but not the 2nd rounder. Hartnell contract is as bad if not worse. 3 years at 34? Too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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