Habsfan Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 22 hours ago, JGC21 said: Had another dream last night that MB scooped in and grabbed John Tavares at the trade deadline from the Isles for Gallagher, Plekanec, Sergachev and 2 first round picks. Ouch! I wonder If the isles would do this trade with only one 1st round pick? I find that the 2 1st round picks to be a little excessive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGC21 Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Habsfan said: Ouch! I wonder If the isles would do this trade with only one 1st round pick? I find that the 2 1st round picks to be a little excessive! If Tavares resigns with MTL after the 2018 season, then NYI gets the two 1st round picks, otherwise they get one 1st round pick (along with Plex, Gally and Sergachev) as the initial trade. In order to get a top 5 centre in the NHL, we're going to have to offer quite a bit. Remember, Tavares is 26 - locking him up for 8 years before he becomes a UFA at the end of next year means MTL has him until he's 35 and becomes part of our 'core'. Plekanec has been a loyal soldier for the Habs forever and he's a defensive workhorse, but he's worth sending in a trade in order to get an offensive powerhouse like Tavares. Nostalgia creeps up and wanting to see Plex win a Cup in MTL is valid but Danault, Mitchell and Lehkonen can fill in for Plex. Gallagher is a tough pill to swallow in trading away but MTL needs a centre and have an abundance of wingers in the AHL. If none of those players work then sign a free agent. It's much easier to find a good winger on the open market than an elite centre. I honestly think Byron and Radulov have made Gally expendable. Sergachev is a promising blue chip prospect but we din't know for sure if he'll become a 'Markov' or a 'Lumme'. He entices the Isles for sure and I think is necessary to close this deal. With Noah Juulsen on the horizon I think Sergy is expendable. MTL lineup for the next 2 years: Pacioretty - Tavares - Byron Scherbak - Galchenyuk - Radulov Lehkonen - Danault - Shaw Carr - Mitchell - McCarron UFA's: Desharnais, Flynn Emelin* - Weber Beaulieu - Petry Markov* - Juulsen Pateryn Price Montoya * UFA resigned Obviously Bergevin needs to make it all fit under the cap but that's a problem I think is a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 True that I'd be sad to see Gallagher and Sergachev go, but you gotta give something to get something. I like the idea of offering a 2nd first round pick, if and only if Tavares would resign with the Habs. The fact that Tavares is only 26 years old also helps. You can sign him to a long term contract and not worry about the latter years of the contract! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davehab Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 I think the likelihood of landing Tavares is almost 0%. The Islanders would be the worst organisation in the league if they let there franchise player go for anything other than another franchise player. I just don't think there is a fit.... we don't have the pieces if I were Bergy I would be calling the Avalanche on a daily basis to get Duchene. Bergevin has said on multiple occasions that high quality centers are just not available, well this one is and is probably as affordable as he is ever gonna be. He has a tonne of speed, can find the back of the net, and will be cheaper to acquire and resign than Tavares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, Davehab said: I think the likelihood of landing Tavares is almost 0%. The Islanders would be the worst organisation in the league if they let there franchise player go for anything other than another franchise player. I just don't think there is a fit.... we don't have the pieces if I were Bergy I would be calling the Avalanche on a daily basis to get Duchene. Bergevin has said on multiple occasions that high quality centers are just not available, well this one is and is probably as affordable as he is ever gonna be. He has a tonne of speed, can find the back of the net, and will be cheaper to acquire and resign than Tavares. Tavares 74pts/82gms Duchene 62pts/82gms Pacioretty 60pts/82gms Duchene would fit in nicely, but still wouldn't be cheap to acquire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, DON said: Duchene would fit in nicely, but still wouldn't be cheap to acquire. That's for sure. The reported asking price for him from the Islanders a week or so ago was quite exorbitant. Sakic's looking to hit a home run if he moves one of his core pieces right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Sitting where they are in the standings, would Bergevin bother with a big deal, or simply wait another month or so till mid-late Feb and for some teams to become locks to dump salary, upcoming free agents and maybe offer up a Petry/Vanek type player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 5 hours ago, DON said: Sitting where they are in the standings, would Bergevin bother with a big deal, or simply wait another month or so till mid-late Feb and for some teams to become locks to dump salary, upcoming free agents and maybe offer up a Petry/Vanek type player? Financially, they can't really afford a big deal right now. I think they could look to make a move for a veteran d-man to be on standby in St. John's but other than that, I can't see them doing much of anything at the moment. As players start to come back and the Habs get out of LTIR and start accruing cap space again, then that will determine what type of moves they can actually make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDriveFor25 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Thoughts... Pleks, DD, Beaulieu, Sergachev (so tough to include him) and 2 firsts for Duchene, Landeskog, a couple 4ths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 I can't see really Colorado considering that. Is that the type of return Sakic would be willing to essentially blow up the core of the franchise for? Duchene and Landeskog are still key cogs but what are they getting? Plekanec and Desharnais are on the downswing, Beaulieu's in his fifth pro season and has yet to turn the corner, and while Sergachev looks like a key guy, he hasn't shown it yet; he's less than a year past being drafted. Those two first rounders wouldn't be that high either if you added those two to Montreal's roster. It's basically two high end forwards for a few maybes. If Colorado moves one of those two (and I don't think it's a given they do this season), I think their preference would be to do a 1-1 swap where they're getting a young(ish) core defenceman, similar to the Hall-Larsson trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 i agree with dlbalr! I don't think Colorado would go for that trade proposal! Duchesne for Sergachev...maybe Sakic would go for that!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I don't like giving Sergachev for a guy who is essentially a 60 point forward. That seems to be the level Duchene has settled into. as part of a package for Tavares (assuming we can sign Tavares) I'm good with it. But not for a 60 point guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 60 point guys are rare, seems like we only have three when Chucky gets back. You wouldn't trade a prospect that is all potential at this point for another Pacioretty or Radulov? How does our group of top forwards stack up to the likes of Pittsburgh or Tampa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, Neech said: 60 point guys are rare, seems like we only have three when Chucky gets back. You wouldn't trade a prospect that is all potential at this point for another Pacioretty or Radulov? How does our group of top forwards stack up to the likes of Pittsburgh or Tampa? No I wouldn't. The Bruins aren't willing to trade Brandon Carlo for Landeskog (another 60 point guy). Sergachev is a better prospect than Carlo (though Carlo is further in his development, being 2 years older). I wouldn't move an elite prospect for a 60 point guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 9 hours ago, DON said: Sitting where they are in the standings, would Bergevin bother with a big deal, or simply wait another month or so till mid-late Feb and for some teams to become locks to dump salary, upcoming free agents and maybe offer up a Petry/Vanek type player? I would say it depends on how far we drop in the standings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDriveFor25 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, habs rule said: I would say it depends on how far we drop in the standings. I'm not too concerned about standings at this point, I'm more focused on loading up for a deep playoff run. If MB trades some of our better prospects and loads up on good forwards, it's all good if it brings the cup. If Sergachev is dealt and the Habs win Stanley, it's a win of a trade. That's the only way I'm judging a trade this season... If it leads the Habs to a cup it was a good move. Price is at his peak, Weber is there, the forward group is decent.. This is the year to seriously take a run. If that costs a top prospect, oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 20 minutes ago, TheDriveFor25 said: I'm not too concerned about standings at this point, I'm more focused on loading up for a deep playoff run. If MB trades some of our better prospects and loads up on good forwards, it's all good if it brings the cup. If Sergachev is dealt and the Habs win Stanley, it's a win of a trade. That's the only way I'm judging a trade this season... If it leads the Habs to a cup it was a good move. Price is at his peak, Weber is there, the forward group is decent.. This is the year to seriously take a run. If that costs a top prospect, oh well. No player guarantees a cup... and if you are going to trade an elite prospect like Sergachev; it better not be for a rental player.... it better be for a long term solution. Someone who makes the team a contender for multiple years and gives more than just one chance at a cup. If i'm gambling on winning, i want multiple rolls of the ice for that level of prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 To me a deal with Colorado makes the most sense as they have alot of pieces in play. Surely they would covet a prospect like Sergachev who would fit in great on the left side there. I'd take a Duchene or Landeskog in some sort of deal for him for sure. I'd even take an Iginla or Beachemin for the playoff run if it were possible. I'm more of the mentality of giving us the best shot at winning over the next couple years as opposed to building for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 It's a fine line for sure. If Sergachev is an elite prospect - someone who projects to be a #1 defenceman - then I don't trade him for anything short of a bona-fide heavy-duty #1 C or other elite player. I agree with Commandant; fans often call for the team to sell the farm in order to go all-in to win, but what this really means is sabotaging the future for a moderate increase in your prospects of winning in the short term. The odds remain heavily against your team actually winning; and the same fans calling on the team to sell the farm will be the ones stringing up the GM in the streets in 3-4 years when the organization is garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 For our franchise it makes the most sense to me to mortgage the future now. I ordinarily would want no part in trading a prospect like Sergachev, but look at the talent in our lineup and in the system. We don't have much in between the ages of Galchenyuk and Sergachev. We're headed downhill in a few years anyways when our current core ages, so why not get the most of them while we can? Boston I don't think is a good comparable as they narrowly missed the playoffs twice in a row while we were 1st two years ago with a healthy lineup. The Bruins are sort of in no-man's land right now in that it's unclear if they should get better or worse in the short term. We currently have a better team and should be pushing to improve in the short term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDriveFor25 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 You don't have to "mortgage the future" to stock up this year. You still have Juulsen coming through the system, you still have other prospects and future picks, including several #2s. The thought of trading one top prospect to open the window a bit wider this year does not mean that window closes in a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 On 2017-01-09 at 4:46 PM, Commandant said: I don't like giving Sergachev for a guy who is essentially a 60 point forward. That seems to be the level Duchene has settled into. as part of a package for Tavares (assuming we can sign Tavares) I'm good with it. But not for a 60 point guy. An unproven junior d-man for Duchene, I will take that deal in a heartbeat! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 We need a big scoring center, MB knows that, and I am confident he is working towards that. When our injuries come back or defence is not that bad but another solid guy like petry would be a huge advantage. I think we 2 players away from a cup run, so GO MARC GO, gitter done NOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 1 hour ago, habs rule said: We need a big scoring center, MB knows that, and I am confident he is working towards that. When our injuries come back or defence is not that bad but another solid guy like petry would be a huge advantage. I think we 2 players away from a cup run, so GO MARC GO, gitter done NOW. He can't get it done now. The money just isn't there. Any move of consequence is going to be closer to the deadline. That's not just for the Habs either; with so many teams capped out, that's just the way it has to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 1 hour ago, dlbalr said: He can't get it done now. The money just isn't there. Any move of consequence is going to be closer to the deadline. That's not just for the Habs either; with so many teams capped out, that's just the way it has to be. I hear what you are saying and I know that but it does not change what we need. He needs to make trades to accomplish it so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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