alfredoh2009 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 12 hours ago, DON said: Your one mean potato! Watch out HabsWorld!! Unleash the potato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 22 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I get it, I just could resist My theory not MB is that he is in the middle of a hearth transplant with the CH. Talent-wise, the club is worse off but I can argue he is rebuilding it on different pillars/foundations 1 Only a potato would build a team with less talent in favour of intangibles like heart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 57 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I get it, I just could resist My theory not MB is that he is in the middle of a hearth transplant with the CH. Talent-wise, the club is worse off but I can argue he is rebuilding it on different pillars/foundations Downgrading talent for 'heart' is the single dumbest managerial strategy there is. It's right up their with Burke building for 'truculence' (although that actually made more sense, in the context of the time). Besides that...I'm not sure the theory stands up. Subban has tons of 'heart,' gamely overcoming all kinds of obstacles, so that can't be the primary desiratum; perhaps 'players who Bergevin would personally would have liked to play with' is more accurate. Even that doesn't explain why he junked blood-and-guts guys like Markov and Radulov. Nor does it clarify why he traded an elite D prospect for a guy who had publicly protested his treatment in Tampa, and who MB would have shipped out for a 3rd-line grinder had he been a Habs prospect doing the same thing. The sad fact is, Bergevin has no idea what he is doing apart from reacting, usually in ways that reflect the impulses of his own ego. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Heart to Bergevin is the movie 300. You might have lost but you played so hard everyone is talking about you instead of the winners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 56 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Subban has tons of 'heart,' gamely overcoming all kinds of obstacles Cinderella story for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I loved Subban and miss him, but He is hardly a Cinderella story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habopotamus Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Downgrading talent for 'heart' is the single dumbest managerial strategy there is. It's right up their with Burke building for 'truculence' (although that actually made more sense, in the context of the time). Besides that...I'm not sure the theory stands up. Subban has tons of 'heart,' gamely overcoming all kinds of obstacles, so that can't be the primary desiratum; perhaps 'players who Bergevin would personally would have liked to play with' is more accurate. Even that doesn't explain why he junked blood-and-guts guys like Markov and Radulov. Nor does it clarify why he traded an elite D prospect for a guy who had publicly protested his treatment in Tampa, and who MB would have shipped out for a 3rd-line grinder had he been a Habs prospect doing the same thing. The sad fact is, Bergevin has no idea what he is doing apart from reacting, usually in ways that reflect the impulses of his own ego. Yzerman made out like a bandit in that Drouin trade I get that Sergachev rode Tampa's potent offense, but to put up 40+ pts in your rookie season (as a D-man) is impressive.. Just an unnecessary trade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard09 Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 On 9/7/2018 at 11:55 AM, Habopotamus said: Yzerman made out like a bandit in that Drouin trade I get that Sergachev rode Tampa's potent offense, but to put up 40+ pts in your rookie season (as a D-man) is impressive.. Just an unnecessary trade every GM makes out like a bandit with MB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link67 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/7/2018 at 10:20 AM, Machine of Loving Grace said: Heart to Bergevin is the movie 300. You might have lost but you played so hard everyone is talking about you instead of the winners. Blasphemy!! Never compare anything Bergevin does or thinks to the great Leonidas and his lean, mean, killing machine named the Spartan army and the Phalanx system! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zumpano21 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Slater Koekkoek is on the block. L handed D, can move the puck, high pedigree and might benefit from a change of scenery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Alright, new season so that means we must find a new " Halak, Ryder and a 2nd" package to offer. What's in line this season ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, JoeLassister said: Alright, new season so that means we must find a new " Halak, Ryder and a 2nd" package to offer. What's in line this season ? Scherbak, Benn, and a second 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 18 minutes ago, Commandant said: Scherbak, Benn, and a second Or Lindgren, Scherbak and an 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehjay Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Alzner, Shaw and 3rd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habopotamus Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Alzner, Shaw, and a prayer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Scherbak, Alzner and McNiven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 If the first game was any indication (which I'm sure it isn't), Drouin is the Ryder, Scherbak is the Halak, and the 2nd is... well, a 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Offer sheet Nylander Either we get him or we force the Leafs to overpay, win win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehjay Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, illWill said: Offer sheet Nylander Either we get him or we force the Leafs to overpay, win win I'm not too sure I would want give up 1st(s) to laffs if we get him :/ Edited October 6, 2018 by ehjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 8 hours ago, illWill said: Offer sheet Nylander Either we get him or we force the Leafs to overpay, win win Definitely not a good season to 1) give away picks and 2) boost our lineup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted October 6, 2018 Author Share Posted October 6, 2018 8 hours ago, illWill said: Offer sheet Nylander Either we get him or we force the Leafs to overpay, win win What's your proposed contract for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 45 minutes ago, dlbalr said: What's your proposed contract for him? Something around $8M would be a tough pill for them to swallow but they would match it to keep him as a 1/2/3 wouldn't be fair to them for Nylander. I would rather wait for Matthews though. I would easily offer a Max contract that expires right when he is to become a UFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 hour ago, JoeLassister said: Definitely not a good season to 1) give away picks and 2) boost our lineup. Good point, but Nylander is 22...he might as well be a draft pick, really. And unlike a pick, he is guaranteed to 'hit' because we already know he is an excellent player. If opening night was any indication, the Habs are not going to 'lose for Hughes.' The team we saw there is one likely to approach a 'bubble team.' But it's true, we'd be taking a big chance on not sucking the big one all season. Give illWill this much - it's a very interesting idea with considerable merit, but like many such ideas it also has risk. I'll admit to especially liking Nylander, though...I dig that skilled, shifty game he plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: Something around $8M would be a tough pill for them to swallow but they would match it to keep him as a 1/2/3 wouldn't be fair to them for Nylander. I would rather wait for Matthews though. I would easily offer a Max contract that expires right when he is to become a UFA. I seriously doubt the Leafs will let that absolute beast walk away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted October 6, 2018 Author Share Posted October 6, 2018 16 minutes ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: Something around $8M would be a tough pill for them to swallow but they would match it to keep him as a 1/2/3 wouldn't be fair to them for Nylander. The Habs would have to cap their offer at five years at that rate if they wanted to stay at the 1/2/3 level. Those would all be RFA years too which would be a tough pill for the Leafs to swallow. That's also a pricey cap hit for the Habs (or any team that wanted to offer sheet him) to take on without buying out any UFA season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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