GHT120 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: Looking at hockey trades, I came up with this one: To MTL: Chytil ($2.3M/2yr) and 2nd draft pick in 2022 To NYR, Poehling(waiver exempt) & either Mailloux(RD) or J.Olofsson(C) This gives Montreal a 3C with NHL experience, solidifies the center position ... Interesting ... Chytil not particularly strong on faceoffs (42.8% in his 4th year last season was his first year over 40%) ... his goals/60 over the last two seasons would be 6th on the Habs ... his points/60 also 6th ... different teams, different roles ... hopefully the analytical types can comment on how he would fit. As I am absolutely uncertain what to actually expect (not hope for) from Poehling it is hard for me to judge ... and, I'm not certain I want to offload "The Problem that is Mailloux" in a minor/mid-level deal ... MB et al must have had high expectations for his NHL potential otherwise it wouldn't have been worth the shit-show of drafting him ... might be better to give him a year to develop, rehabilitate his image and see what they've got ... he could then fetch a better return and/or become a legit prospect for the Habs defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 The only comment on Habs 2021 1st round I’ll make is that I believe that he is only a trade chip and that he will never play for the Habs based on the French media coverage on the week following the draft, that is what I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 44 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: The only comment on Habs 2021 1st round I’ll make is that I believe that he is only a trade chip and that he will never play for the Habs Obviously he is a tradable asset, but i believe that if he shows he is a stud in OHL, wont hear a peep about trading him and it will be just about, how soon will he suit up in Montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I am guessing that will be the opinion of many, if not most, on this forum Within the Quebequer fan base that is definitely not the case I have a personal preference J do not want to share because I do not want to be banned from this forum... as far as my trade proposal goes, I am really happy with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 2 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: I have a personal preference J do not want to share because I do not want to be banned from this forum... What does this mean? Am i missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 21 minutes ago, DON said: What does this mean? Am i missing something? no, just that discussing that topic got Commandant banned and we have not seen him since. I enjoy this forum and I will avoid the topic (that got him banned) as much as I can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: no, just that discussing that topic got Commandant banned and we have not seen him since. I enjoy this forum and I will avoid the topic (that got him banned) as much as I can He didn't get disciplined for talking about the Logan Mailloux situation; he was disciplined for completely losing it and attacking the person saying the disgusting things. That discussion didn't get shut down just because of the topic - it got shut down because it turned into a bunch of mudslinging. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 32 minutes ago, Fanpuck33 said: He didn't get disciplined for talking about the Logan Mailloux situation; he was disciplined for completely losing it and attacking the person saying the disgusting things. That discussion didn't get shut down just because of the topic - it got shut down because it turned into a bunch of mudslinging. Lets clear the air here... you all deserve at least an explanation. I am NOT leaving the site because I was banned for 7 days. That is not my issue. There are rules about being rude to other members. i broke that rule. fine... i earned my 7 day ban. I am leaving because those who made the disgusting posts about the victim of a crime... something to the effect of "she shouldnt go around blowing strangers" were not dealt with. The post remains up and the poster who posted it, continued to post during the week I was banned. i have no issue with being punished for being rude to someone. i do have issues with this type of disgusting misogny being allowed. yes i support that we shouldnt censor most opinions.... but some things should be in my view... this type of victim shaming misogny is something that shouldny be allowed in my view... just like other things that aren't allowed... mudslinging other posters... racism.... etc.... I want to be clear her though. i talked to Brian about the issue on the day it happened. He indicated that he agreed with me and was going to take actions. He asked for patience as this was July 28th, free agent day. I said that was fine and I trusted Brian to handle it. To be clear, I have NO ISSUES... none whatsoever with Brian. i still believe he intended to take action and that he was being truthful with me. i have no doubts about Brian's integrity. I want this part very clear that i have a lot of respect for him as a poster and a manager of this site... and most importantly as a person. About an hour or so after my conversation with Brian i was banned by someone above him, the site owner, who posts under the username Sakiqc. Again no issue with banning me. i do take issue with the fact he did nothing to deal with the disgusting posts we all saw or the posters who made them. thats fine... hes the owner and ultimately how he runs the site is his choice. but i have my own choices and if these things are going to be allowed then my choice is to post elsewhere twitter - lastwordbkerr reddit - commandant1 good luck and good health to everyone on here i had good discussions with and who i still consider friends. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 thanks for clarifying @Commandant happy trails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 3 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: no, just that discussing that topic got Commandant banned and we have not seen him since. I enjoy this forum and I will avoid the topic (that got him banned) as much as I can Got it. i missed what happened there, but see Ben just spelled it out. Is too bad it went that far off the rails and i dont mean pick at any scabs or try to reopen that topic. But, the kid is a prospect worth discussing hockeywise or asset/trade wise and we should be able to speak to just that, which was my original beef about the whole mess and huge rat hole it went down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, DON said: Got it. i missed what happened there, but see Ben just spelled it out. Is too bad it went that far off the rails and i dont mean pick at any scabs or try to reopen that topic. But, the kid is a prospect worth discussing hockeywise or asset/trade wise and we should be able to speak to just that, which was my original beef about the whole mess and huge rat hole it went down. Yes, I think we all get it now. My take on the value of “the asset” comes from what Chantal Machabée said in 98.5 fm (Habs French radio broadcaster) after the weird media scrum with Geoff Molson. The conclusion was that Mailloux will never play for the Habs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said: Yes, I think we all get it now. My take on the value of “the asset” comes from what Chantal Machabée said in 98.5 fm (Habs French radio broadcaster) after the weird media scrum with Geoff Molson. The conclusion was that Mailloux will never play for the Habs Since the kid is regarded as quite a good hockey prospect, that outcome would be typical managerial/organizational incompetence by the Montreal Canadiens: MB goes out on a limb to get the asset. Then Molson - after the fact - loses his nerve in the face of PR blowback and the word goes out that the kid “will never play for the Montreal Canadiens.” The result: a squandered asset on a team that really needs the kind of defensive prospect Mailloux is. Worst-case outcome, basically. The minute they decided to draft the kid, the only sensible hockey option was to work hard with him (counseling, etc.) and help him to grow into the kind of person worthy of wearing the CH. Anything else is simply terrible management. As for losing Ben, I’ve said my piece. This is a horrible outcome for this board, I am very sorry to see him go, and hope that he will consider returning eventually. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: As for losing Ben, I’ve said my piece. This is a horrible outcome for this board, I am very sorry to see him go, and hope that he will consider returning eventually. Agree 100%, this board is better with him on it. It was a difficult subject to deal with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 On 8/27/2021 at 11:40 AM, alfredoh2009 said: Looking at hockey trades, I came up with this one: To MTL: Chytil ($2.3M/2yr) and 2nd draft pick in 2022 To NYR, Poehling(waiver exempt) & either Mailloux(RD) or J.Olofsson(C) This gives Montreal a 3C with NHL experience, solidifies the center position. Chytil was viewed as a reach by NYR, slotted in the second round by most. NYR seems to be high on Morgan Barron who seems to be ready to step in to a bottom 6 role in 2021-2022 This gives the NYR a waiver exempt center so that they can decide to play either Barron or Poehling. It gives them alternatives when looking to resign Zibanejad or Strome and depending who they accept in the trade (Mailloux or J.Olofsson) they gain prospect depth where they are thin. With Kotkaniemi's Offer Sheet, I would liek to update my trade proposal with the NYR: IFF KK leaves and hte Habs get their 1st and 3rd in 2022. That year teh NYR do not have a 3rd round draft pick option 1: to MTL: Chytil ($2.3M/2yr) and 2nd draft pick in 2022 option 2: to MTL: R. Strome ($4.5M/1yr) and 2nd draft pick in 2022 To NYR: CAR's 1st and 3rd (gotten for KK) and either Mailloux(RD) or J.Olofsson(C) depending who they value more (or both!) The Habs get a good center either way while keeping Poehling NYRs get two decent draft picks and depth at either RHD or centre. They also get extra cap space for a blockbuster trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share Posted August 31, 2021 13 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: With Kotkaniemi's Offer Sheet, I would liek to update my trade proposal with the NYR: IFF KK leaves and hte Habs get their 1st and 3rd in 2022. That year teh NYR do not have a 3rd round draft pick option 1: to MTL: Chytil ($2.3M/2yr) and 2nd draft pick in 2022 option 2: to MTL: R. Strome ($4.5M/1yr) and 2nd draft pick in 2022 To NYR: CAR's 1st and 3rd (gotten for KK) and either Mailloux(RD) or J.Olofsson(C) depending who they value more (or both!) There's a huge difference in value between Mailloux and Olofsson. One is a recent first-rounder, the other probably isn't going to be offered a contract by June and will be let go for nothing. Olofsson's trade value is pretty much zero at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 13 hours ago, dlbalr said: There's a huge difference in value between Mailloux and Olofsson. One is a recent first-rounder, the other probably isn't going to be offered a contract by June and will be let go for nothing. Olofsson's trade value is pretty much zero at the moment. I know that about the value difference between Olofsson and Mailloux. I think NYR would take Mailloux but if they want a cetre instead I was trying to say that my list starts with the fringe cetres we have: Olofsson, Hillis, Myzak, etc. the trade proposal is for either Strome or Chytil for 1st, 3rd and a prospect the Habs value but won't hurt the Price/Petry cup window Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 34 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: ... I think NYR would take Mailloux but if they want a cetre instead I was trying to say that my list starts with the fringe cetres we have: Olofsson, Hillis, Myzak, etc. ... Think the point was that if the NYR wanted a centre instead of a defenceman they would want a centre of comparable value ... for all his "issues" I expect Mailloux is a higher rated talent than most of the Habs centre prospects at the moment ... looking forward to what the upcoming season will tell about Myzak, Kapanen and Farrell as prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Farrell is a point producing Tasmanian devil ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: Farrell is a point producing Tasmanian devil ! In the USHL ... but I have seen questions raised about whether his specific skill set will translate to the NCAA, and then the pros ... thus, why I am very interested in how things go in his first year at Harvard ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Same here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: I know that about the value difference between Olofsson and Mailloux. I think NYR would take Mailloux but if they want a cetre instead I was trying to say that my list starts with the fringe cetres we have: Olofsson, Hillis, Myzak, etc. There's a pretty big gap value-wise between Olofsson and the other two as well. He's closer to the value of someone like Michael Pezzetta (in other words, zero), not recent 2nd or 3rd rounders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 47 minutes ago, dlbalr said: There's a pretty big gap value-wise between Olofsson and the other two as well. He's closer to the value of someone like Michael Pezzetta (in other words, zero), not recent 2nd or 3rd rounders. got it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Looking at this, makes me wonder what Kulak, CAR's 1st and 3rd can get us from NYI: #Isles deals announced today: Cizikas -- 6x$2.5m Palmieri -- 4x5M Beauvillier -- 3x$4.15m Sorokin -- 3x$4m Those additions put #Isles at roughly $85.2-million for this season with all one-ways on the cap. May need to shed a contract in order to add a LD. — Arthur Staple (@StapeAthletic) September 1, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 36 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: Looking at this, makes me wonder what Kulak, CAR's 1st and 3rd can get us from NYI: Wonder if they're willing to give up Pageau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I wonder if Calle Jarnkrok can be had from the Kraken To MTL: Jarnkrok To SEA: CAR's 1st, 2nd and J. Oloffson (filler for their AHL team) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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