Permanent Trade Proposal Thread

[Helmethead]

As much fun as it is talking about PLD I would not trade anything of premium value for him. 
 

8yrs at 8+ mil is enough of a risk in itself let alone forking over assets. 
 

The initial allure was on the basis that he had a semi tarnished reputation, an hard on for wearing la sainte flanelle and that Winnipeg had no leverage. 
 

Let Bergevin and Robitaille have him.  
 

 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

1 hour ago, Helmethead said:

As much fun as it is talking about PLD I would not trade anything of premium value for him. 
 

8yrs at 8+ mil is enough of a risk in itself let alone forking over assets. 
 

The initial allure was on the basis that he had a semi tarnished reputation, an hard on for wearing la sainte flanelle and that Winnipeg had no leverage. 
 

Let Bergevin and Robitaille have him.  
 

 

I wouldn’t even trade Dach straight up for PLD. 

 

Maybe LA gets him then trades him to Montreal for Gallagher but I’m not holding out hope for that

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

2 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

I wouldn’t even trade Dach straight up for PLD. 

 

Maybe LA gets him then trades him to Montreal for Gallagher but I’m not holding out hope for that

 

I tend to agree. I think Dach has just started to scratch the surface of his potential. I think Dubois has the higher floor but Dach has the higher ceiling. I worry at times that Dach might be a little injury prone. 

 

Heck, we don't need anything back for Gallagher, we will give him to LA for nothing. 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

25 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

I wouldn’t even trade Dach straight up for PLD. 

 

Maybe LA gets him then trades him to Montreal for Gallagher but I’m not holding out hope for that

 

Plus Dach is on a very good contract and will be an RFA when it expires, smart move by Hughes. 

[Habsfan89]

If we still had Bergevin as GM I would be very worried in this situation, but with these guys runing the show i have the out most confidence in them.  Dach isn't going anywhere he's part of the new core group of players.  And these guys aren't going to over pay for PLD.  A good sign will be who we take at 5, if we draft a center then they're not trading for PLD. If we draft a Winger or defensemen I think we're making the trade. 

[dlbalr]

5 hours ago, Dalhabs said:

If we buy out gallagher in two years how long and how much will we pay?

 

He'll have two years left at that time so it'd be four years for the payout.  The cap hits would be as follows:

 

25-26: $1.75M

26-27: $4.25M

27-28: $1.75M

28-29: $1.75M

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

7 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:

A good sign will be who we take at 5, if we draft a center then they're not trading for PLD. If we draft a Winger or defensemen I think we're making the trade. 

 

I would agree, draft day will be very very interesting. 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

3 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

 

He'll have two years left at that time so it'd be four years for the payout.  The cap hits would be as follows:

 

25-26: $1.75M

26-27: $4.25M

27-28: $1.75M

28-29: $1.75M

 

Thanks, that's good information, no rush to make a decision on Gallagher. 

[GHT120]

With CC et al at the Grand Prix ... now its hanging out with David Savard
 

 

[REV-G]

I don't know if this has been brought up elsewhere but any thoughts on whether we should take a chance on Zadina in Detroit? 

 

It appears they are considering terminating his contract, with him saying he would not contest that move (by not reporting to their AHL club), and with no one biting when he was put on waivers, likely due to his contract.

 

Should we take a chance if he is willing to sign for league minimum?? 

[DON]

26 minutes ago, REV-G said:

I don't know if this has been brought up elsewhere but any thoughts on whether we should take a chance on Zadina in Detroit? 

 

It appears they are considering terminating his contract, with him saying he would not contest that move (by not reporting to their AHL club), and with no one biting when he was put on waivers, likely due to his contract.

 

Should we take a chance if he is willing to sign for league minimum?? 

Where would he play?

Arnt Habs full up front with too many forwards, other than a significant skilled upgrade and trade away a couple forwards?

[GHT120]

1 hour ago, DON said:

Where would he play?

Arnt Habs full up front with too many forwards, other than a significant skilled upgrade and trade away a couple forwards?

 

Looking at Cap Friendly the Habs have 15 "NHL" forwards" (counting RFA Newhook) ... I would exclude Pezetta and Pitlick right away, leaving a full roster of 13 forwards.

 

The rumour is that HuGo do not want to have to put Price on LTIR to be cap-compliant and eligible to play their first game of the season ... I can see them trying to move Hoffman and Dvorak (although Evans may be the centre who is more tradeable) to clear the current 610K overage and make room to sign Newhook ... if they are able to do that then I could see them possibly looking at Zadina on-the-cheap, but only once space is created ... I suspect a lot of NHL teams may, for a variety of reasons, be in similar wait & see positions on any interest in Filip.

[hab29RETIRED]

21 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

Looking at Cap Friendly the Habs have 15 "NHL" forwards" (counting RFA Newhook) ... I would exclude Pezetta and Pitlick right away, leaving a full roster of 13 forwards.

 

The rumour is that HuGo do not want to have to put Price on LTIR to be cap-compliant and eligible to play their first game of the season ... I can see them trying to move Hoffman and Dvorak (although Evans may be the centre who is more tradeable) to clear the current 610K overage and make room to sign Newhook ... if they are able to do that then I could see them possibly looking at Zadina on-the-cheap, but only once space is created ... I suspect a lot of NHL teams may, for a variety of reasons, be in similar wait & see positions on any interest in Filip.

I don’t know how we move Hoffman without retaining salary, and I can’t see anyone wanting him even with 50% retention it less he shows he can still produce. Seems more like a deadline move. Dvorak is supposed to be injured/recovering to start the season - not sure when he is supposed to be back. So not sure either will be moved to start the season.

 

I would t want to move Evans yet. Have no idea if Monohon will be 10, 20, 30, 50, or by some miracle every game (at least until the trade deadline). Also not sure if the plan is try Newhook on the wing to start the season.

 

I’m not opposed to taking cheap flyer on Zadina, but don’t see how we make it happen with the amount of forwards we have. It would be great if someone would take Gallagher or Armia if our hands, but that’s probably not very likely.

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

It’d be fun to get Zadina - another highly-hyped “can’t miss” prospect who is shaping up to be a bust - as a sort of cosmic compensation for losing KK. As with most such “fun scenarios” in hockey it’ll probably never happen. The one element of intrigue is HuGo’s apparent attraction to young-player reclamation projects (Dach, Newhook…Zadina?) But Z is not really an analogous case…Dach and Newhook took regular shifts and played decently with their original team, while Z seems simply to have been a flop.

[TurdBurglar]

58 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

I don’t know how we move Hoffman without retaining salary, and I can’t see anyone wanting him even with 50% retention it less he shows he can still produce.

Hoffman was 14G-20A-34P, a 0.5 PPG player last season.  At $2.25m he's more than tradable.  If it weren't for the cap situation of most teams, he would be tradable at his full cap hit.

[GHT120]

35 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

Hoffman was 14G-20A-34P, a 0.5 PPG player last season.  At $2.25m he's more than tradable.  If it weren't for the cap situation of most teams, he would be tradable at his full cap hit.

If HuGo don't want to retain salary, Hoffman might be tradeable for the infamous "future considerations" to a team with tons of cap-space who would be willing to, now or later, retain salary and trade him for actual assets.

[Habsfan89]

When need to hope that Hoffman, Armia and Gallagher all star the year off hot then trade them as soon as we can before they get cold and injuries creep in. Otherwise forget about trading them  

[hab29RETIRED]

2 hours ago, TurdBurglar said:

Hoffman was 14G-20A-34P, a 0.5 PPG player last season.  At $2.25m he's more than tradable.  If it weren't for the cap situation of most teams, he would be tradable at his full cap hit.

If i remember correctly, he produced more near the end of the season when the games were completely meaningless and was useless during the first half. Personally I take production at that time of the year with a grain of salt when a team is playing out the string. He  rings nothing at all to a team if he isn’t scoring and he doesn’t score like he used to.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

2 hours ago, TurdBurglar said:

Hoffman was 14G-20A-34P, a 0.5 PPG player last season.  At $2.25m he's more than tradable.  If it weren't for the cap situation of most teams, he would be tradable at his full cap hit.

 

I don't agree with the "tradeable at his full cap hit" as he is too one dimensional and even his 1 dimension was nothing to brag about last year. However if he has a good 3/4 of a season and the Habs retain 50% then he is definitely tradeable especially if a contending team has some injuries up front or if they need some help on the PP. 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

1 hour ago, Habsfan89 said:

When need to hope that Hoffman, Armia and Gallagher all star the year off hot then trade them as soon as we can before they get cold and injuries creep in. Otherwise forget about trading them  

 

 I don't think there is any chance of trading Gallagher (without including a lot of sweeteners) even if he gets off to a hot start. There is some hope with Armia and Hoffman but likely not until closer to the trade deadline. 

[TurdBurglar]

20 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

If i remember correctly, he produced more near the end of the season when the games were completely meaningless and was useless during the first half. Personally I take production at that time of the year with a grain of salt when a team is playing out the string. He  rings nothing at all to a team if he isn’t scoring and he doesn’t score like he used to.

He was also given a lot more playing time near the end of the season from injuries.  Most of his games missed was the first half.

 

He also doesn’t score like he used to because Suzuki replaced his spot on the PP.  Hoffman always was more of a PP specialist.

[DON]

2 hours ago, Habsfan89 said:

When need to hope that Hoffman, Armia and Gallagher all star the year off hot then trade them as soon as we can before they get cold and injuries creep in. Otherwise forget about trading them  

Hoffman likley would be valuable as a rental come next March and heard one suggestion of some team needing scorers might take him at 50% this summer.

 

The other 2 buy-outs in another year or two maybe?

[Commandant]

5 hours ago, GHT120 said:

Looking at Cap Friendly the Habs have 15 "NHL" forwards" (counting RFA Newhook) ... I would exclude Pezetta and Pitlick right away, leaving a full roster of 13 forwards.

 

The rumour is that HuGo do not want to have to put Price on LTIR to be cap-compliant and eligible to play their first game of the season ... I can see them trying to move Hoffman and Dvorak (although Evans may be the centre who is more tradeable) to clear the current 610K overage and make room to sign Newhook ... if they are able to do that then I could see them possibly looking at Zadina on-the-cheap, but only once space is created ... I suspect a lot of NHL teams may, for a variety of reasons, be in similar wait & see positions on any interest in Filip.

 

Thats 13 plus Newhook who isnt counted cause hes still RFA.

 

Thats also without ylonen who could earn an NHL job.

 

I think zadina is just one too many mediocre wingers.

[GHT120]

22 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

Thats 13 plus Newhook who isnt counted cause hes still RFA.

 

Thats also without ylonen who could earn an NHL job.

 

I think zadina is just one too many mediocre wingers.

 

CF lists 12 forwards in the main listing (including Newhook) and 3 who were on IR to end the season ... 15 total.

 

As for Ylönen, he might win a spot this season but I just don't see him having a significant role going forward, whereas Zadina might ***if*** he gets his shyte together.

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

I just realized that Armia has had three straight 14-point (!!) seasons. 

 

Points. Not goals. 

 

While his strong 2021 playoff probably earned him some goodwill from GMs, it's hard to conceive of a team acquiring that guy without massive cap retention. Wow.