sakiqc Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I think at this point, a 2nd plus something else will be warranted. Come deadline day, the price may come down a tad but for now (with Dallas talking extension with him), they're going to want more than just a 2nd I would guess. can't they take the 2nd round pick then sign him back in the Summer as a UFA ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share Posted March 31, 2013 can't they take the 2nd round pick then sign him back in the Summer as a UFA ? They could but it is illegal to formally make such an agreement (informally is another story). If they can re-sign him before Wednesday, they will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGC21 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 can't they take the 2nd round pick then sign him back in the Summer as a UFA ?A lot of posters, myself included, are throwing around a second round pick to land a veteran at the deadline. I just looked up Montreal's picks for this years's draft - which second would they part with?Definitely not the 2nd they got in the Cammalleri trade, that could end up being the 31st pick overall if Calgary continues to suck! They also have Nashville's 2nd, and they're not playing well either. Then Montreal of course has their own 2nd. Change of plans, let's all cheer for Calgary and Nashville to suck, and then trade our own 2nd and Weber for.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Let me try this one ONE of your defensive prospects, where you got depth Pateryn/Ellis/Beaulieu + possibly a pick FOR T.Purcell or M Foligno? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share Posted April 1, 2013 Let me try this one ONE of your defensive prospects, where you got depth Pateryn/Ellis/Beaulieu + possibly a pick FOR T.Purcell or M Foligno? There's a pretty significant gap between the d-man possibilities there. Foligno isn't going to be moved by Buffalo. I think the Lightning would have interest in a prospect d-man but they just locked up Purcell long-term not all that long ago. I can't say that they wouldn't move him but I'd be surprised if they did. I think if Pateryn or Ellis (I think Beaulieu is staying put) gets dealt, it's for a forward prospect of a similar age. Just a hunch though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 There's a pretty significant gap between the d-man possibilities there. Foligno isn't going to be moved by Buffalo. I think the Lightning would have interest in a prospect d-man but they just locked up Purcell long-term not all that long ago. I can't say that they wouldn't move him but I'd be surprised if they did. I think if Pateryn or Ellis (I think Beaulieu is staying put) gets dealt, it's for a forward prospect of a similar age. Just a hunch though. I am looking at a rumour that has Clowe going to Philly. To me this is just a straight deal with no deadline implications. Maybe that's what we got to do. Meat for meat. Other than that, I am just trying to feed off of what they are saying on the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Jamie McBain's name is being floated out in the Twitterverse. I can't say I know too much about him, but he put up some points the past two years and is a RH shot. He's signed through next season at $1.8M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 My Hurricanes friend is begging for someone to take him. Definition of "not a good pick up" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 when you consider what postions need to be improved up front and what it will take, i think we have to look at gionta, DD and galchenyuk's spots! that is the only way we are improving this team right now! i am in no way suggesting getting rid of galchenyuk (unless of course stamkos tavares nugent hopkins or eberle etc. is coming if you get my drift.) but his contract is easily managible! if you think sitting him or sending him down in order to improve the team right now is going to hurt his development thats crazy talk. kids gonna be great no matter what. the only question is how soon? are we worried about burning a year? that stuff takes care of itself longterm...... plex, ryder, patch, gallagher, prust, eller, and armstrong moen and halpern are all playing well in there roster spot in relation to wage/ age/ production and moves to upgrade them would not be significant enough when condidering the compensation needed to do so. DD's size for a center will always be in question as is the captains size and points contribution compared to salary! galchenyuk is a super talent but is one year behind gallagher and it shows.... people dont agree with me as he shows this super talent in flashes but he is our weakest link in the top 9 right now!! Can we really upgrade our 4th line considering the costs? moen and armstrong have been exactly what we want and through the media (24CH etc.) it seems armstrong is a real character guy in the dresser and is hab fan at heart! halpern is a prototype of what a 4th line center should be.. moen is defensively sound and has been a staple on our PK.. so what do we do? with bourque's return on the left i think the habs are already deep enough.... so unless we are going 2 for 1 in order to upgrade we should stay status quo! character in the room is good.... team has played well through injuries... w edont need a name brand right now as this team is built on "team" with that said, always look to improve at the right price............... jagr for nothing we should do and with gainey and co. advising it could actually happen..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share Posted April 1, 2013 Jamie McBain's name is being floated out in the Twitterverse. I can't say I know too much about him, but he put up some points the past two years and is a RH shot. He's signed through next season at $1.8M The last couple of years he has been a good offensive defenceman. This year, his play has been offensive. On a team lacking defence, he has frequently been a healthy scratch. (And me being the idiot I am thought he could be worth something and actually kept him on a fantasy team for a bit... .) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 My Hurricanes friend is begging for someone to take him. Definition of "not a good pick up" The last couple of years he has been a good offensive defenceman. This year, his play has been offensive. On a team lacking defence, he has frequently been a healthy scratch. (And me being the idiot I am thought he could be worth something and actually kept him on a fantasy team for a bit... .) Well, that's good to know. Hopefully we are done taking under-performing D from Carolina! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Sure, he's a possibility. I didn't cover every possible name. The one thing with him is that he'll cost considerably more than Leopold to get, would the Habs be willing to part with a higher pick for a pure rental? I'm leaning towards guessing no which is why I went with Leopold over Regehr in there. Lebrun is reporting that Montreal has kicked the tires on Regehr. (Other teams have as well) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Lebrun is reporting that Montreal has kicked the tires on Regehr. (Other teams have as well) But he cost 2nds and thats wayy to rich., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 TSN saying Redden may be on the move after the Bouwmeester trade and value is a mid-late round pick. Cheap, dependable, veteran, 6th-7th defenseman, colour me interested. To St. Louis: 2013 4th (MTL) To Montreal: Wade Redden Still would give us plenty of assets to pursue another defenseman and maybe a forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMAC Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 TSN saying Redden may be on the move after the Bouwmeester trade and value is a mid-late round pick. Cheap, dependable, veteran, 6th-7th defenseman, colour me interested. To St. Louis: 2013 4th (MTL) To Montreal: Wade Redden Still would give us plenty of assets to pursue another defenseman and maybe a forward. I rather we played NB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Redden has sucked in St. Louis. That's why they traded for JayBo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I rather we played NB. Need to stop getting TGS(Toronto goalie syndrome) with our callups. Beaulieu will be good in the future, he's played 2 games in the NHL thus far, we said the same thing about Tinordi after his first 2 games. Have to expect Beaulieu to regress and get sent back down. Just as well to make a move now, while we still can, to acquire a 6th/7th defenseman in case Beaulieu does regress. Not to mention He probably won't cross the 9 game mark so this doesn't count as his rookie season. Also not mentioning Beaulieu would go back down when/if Diaz comes back. We're in the conversation for contention for the cup, one of 4-6 teams. We have to be planning for a playoff run now, not a growing experience for our kids like the other 10-12 teams not in that conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted April 2, 2013 Author Share Posted April 2, 2013 Need to stop getting TGS(Toronto goalie syndrome) with our callups. Beaulieu will be good in the future, he's played 2 games in the NHL thus far, we said the same thing about Tinordi after his first 2 games. Have to expect Beaulieu to regress and get sent back down. Just as well to make a move now, while we still can, to acquire a 6th/7th defenseman in case Beaulieu does regress. Not to mention He probably won't cross the 9 game mark so this doesn't count as his rookie season. Also not mentioning Beaulieu would go back down when/if Diaz comes back. We're in the conversation for contention for the cup, one of 4-6 teams. We have to be planning for a playoff run now, not a growing experience for our kids like the other 10-12 teams not in that conversation. The 9 game rule (which is 5 this year) doesn't apply with Beaulieu. That's for junior aged (18/19 year old) players, he doesn't qualify as such. Galchenyuk is the only Hab this season where that rule comes into play (and he has far surpassed that already). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMAC Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Need to stop getting TGS(Toronto goalie syndrome) with our callups. Beaulieu will be good in the future, he's played 2 games in the NHL thus far, we said the same thing about Tinordi after his first 2 games. Have to expect Beaulieu to regress and get sent back down. Just as well to make a move now, while we still can, to acquire a 6th/7th defenseman in case Beaulieu does regress. Not to mention He probably won't cross the 9 game mark so this doesn't count as his rookie season. Also not mentioning Beaulieu would go back down when/if Diaz comes back. We're in the conversation for contention for the cup, one of 4-6 teams. We have to be planning for a playoff run now, not a growing experience for our kids like the other 10-12 teams not in that conversation. Actually, you misunderstood my post. Beaulieu has played well-- in a very small sample-- but I don't think he is now the greatest thing since sliced bread or the re-incarnation of Orr. I simply think Redden is well past his sell by date and would not help more than Beaulieu is now. I am not against us picking up a veteran D with a mean streak like Sarich or a more long term acquistion like Giordano, but I don't think Redden is worth more than a conditional 7th if that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMAC Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Since TBL were able to unload MAB on Carolina for a player and a 7th how about the proverbial Weber and a 2nd for Raffi Torres? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Yeah, if Bergeron was worth Adam Hall and a 7th I'm sure Redden has similar value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 patience says that our defensive propects look awfully good. We spent years building this up. In 2 years we will have a great defensive group, no reason to screw that up for short term gain. If we can pick up a cheap D (ufa after this season) for a 3rd... lets do it but lets not pull another Kaberle. We need short term help on defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakiqc Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Yeah, if Bergeron was worth Adam Hall and a 7th I'm sure Redden has similar value. TB just sent Adam Hall through waivers, so Bergevin's value was very low.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 The 9 game rookie mark is only for juniors. NB may regress THIS year. Redden has ALREADY regressed to no longer being a top 6 viable NHL defence man. Need to stop getting TGS(Toronto goalie syndrome) with our callups. Beaulieu will be good in the future, he's played 2 games in the NHL thus far, we said the same thing about Tinordi after his first 2 games. Have to expect Beaulieu to regress and get sent back down. Just as well to make a move now, while we still can, to acquire a 6th/7th defenseman in case Beaulieu does regress. Not to mention He probably won't cross the 9 game mark so this doesn't count as his rookie season. Also not mentioning Beaulieu would go back down when/if Diaz comes back. We're in the conversation for contention for the cup, one of 4-6 teams. We have to be planning for a playoff run now, not a growing experience for our kids like the other 10-12 teams not in that conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsy Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Let's just say this. Redden is more of a Pierre Gauthier type player than a Marc Bergevin type. I'd be very surprised if a trade was made for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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