Permanent Trade Proposal Thread

[dlbalr]

10 hours ago, skifaster said:

For Utah, most of the Montreal D are an immediate upgrade over anyone on their roster.  I'm thinking the Price dead money would be better spent on a serious offer to Guentzal.

 

They can make the offer to Guentzel with Price still on the roster by using offseason LTIR though; they don't have to move Price to do something like that if they wanted to.  Notwithstanding that Utah intends to be true buyers and probably won't take on any more deadweight contracts, why give away a roster defenceman to do what can be done without doing anything?  Seems like a waste of an asset to me.

[DON]

With 17g and solid play, is Armia tradable or have some value, say to a Utah, this off-season?

 

[Commandant]

10 hours ago, Sir_Boagalott said:

 

That is an interesting though that I have also wondered.  Stamkos did play with Marty for 6 years.  

 

I also wonder about Kane too due to the Wings missing the playoffs where will he go next year?   Kane went with the Wings because he likes original 6 teams and he is friends with DeBrincat.  The Habs are an original 6 team and Kane is also friends with Dach.  

 

Marchessault is another interesting possibility.  

 

People ask why would any of them want to come to Montreal?  Because them signing with the Habs would basically end the rebuild.  

 

 

 

I dont end the rebuild with a 35 year old in stamkos or Kane.  That doesnt make a lot of sense.  I think you need someone who will be at least close to the age of your core and grow with them.

 

Ending the rebuild isnt signing a 35 year old to a one year deal to try and win now and see them retire in a year or two.  The goal.of the rebuild is to build a team that will be competitive for a longer window than they have left.

 

[hab29RETIRED]

22 hours ago, skifaster said:

Trade Cary Price's contract, one of the defense in the logjam, and maybe a draft pick to Utah for future considerations and use the new found cap room to get Jake Guentzal.

 

I also wonder if the St Louis/Lecavalier factor to get Stamkos to come to Montreal for the right price if Tampa doesn't work out something.

No way we could afford Stamkos without a major overpay on $ and term. Tampa can pay him a lot less than us because of the tax advantage.  So even with Marty/Cousin Vinny here, I can’t see Stamkos coming over on a contract that would make sense for us. 
 

I also think we are a year away from when it makes sense to sign a major UFA, and I think we’d want someone younger than Stamkos - We are probably 2-3 years away from being able to become a legit contender.  It’s too soon to get a guy Stamkos age.

[TurdBurglar]

23 hours ago, skifaster said:

Trade Cary Price's contract, one of the defense in the logjam, and maybe a draft pick to Utah for future considerations and use the new found cap room to get Jake Guentzal.

One of the plights of Arizona was they had significant cap tied up in dead contracts.  It was done out of necessity, but was also a huge factor in why Arizona was in the situation it was in.  They snowballed their own problem by trying to solve it.  As much as everyone harps on Vegas now for their LTIR usage, Arizona has been doing the same thing in the other direction for years, allowing them to ice a team under the minimum cap, using LTIR to get them to the cap floor.

 

I would imaging Utah is going to break away from that stigma as fast as possible.  I'd be shocked if they take any interest in bad or dead contract unless it's ultimately going to lead to something that makes the team better on the ice.  I fully expect Utah to be very aggressive in free agency as they have $23m in LTIR on this roster with only about $47m in committed contracts, essentially nearly $60m in cap space for next season.

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

It's very interesting to note that there are two potentially high-impact, relatively young C who will likely be available on the market this summer: Dubois and Zegras.

 

Of the two, whom would you rather acquire? Zegras is younger and a better contract, we know that. But then again you could probably get Dubois for far less valuable assets in return because of the salary. 🤷‍♂️

 

(I suspect HuGo will acquire neither, and will instead surprise us. But who knows).

[alfredoh2009]

PLD for sure, but only if the asking price is reasonable. He would be a great 3rd line center for the Habs and could fill-in for Suzuki or Dach any time they may be injured.

 

Zegras is probably too costly for my liking

[hab29RETIRED]

33 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

It's very interesting to note that there are two potentially high-impact, relatively young C who will likely be available on the market this summer: Dubois and Zegras.

 

Of the two, whom would you rather acquire? Zegras is younger and a better contract, we know that. But then again you could probably get Dubois for far less valuable assets in return because of the salary. 🤷‍♂️

 

(I suspect HuGo will acquire neither, and will instead surprise us. But who knows).

$8.5m for 7 years for a guy who doesn’t show up in more games than he does? No thanks. If he wasn’t French there wouldn’t Ben be a discussion about trading for him.

[hab29RETIRED]

6 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

PLD for sure, but only if the asking price is reasonable. He would be a great 3rd line center for the Habs and could fill-in for Suzuki or Dach any time they may be injured.

 

Zegras is probably too costly for my liking

And using $8.5m of your cap (would also be the highest paid player)( for a third line centre isn’t costly?? We need to boast the second line, and add more scoring. Don’t necessarily need a centre as the priority. If we do get a centr it’s someone go can be a 1b type of second line centre and then Dach can play the wing.

 

those two aren’t the only two options. PLD is with his third team and has yet to have a good year where he was a consistently good player for the ENTIRE season.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

37 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

It's very interesting to note that there are two potentially high-impact, relatively young C who will likely be available on the market this summer: Dubois and Zegras.

 

Of the two, whom would you rather acquire? Zegras is younger and a better contract, we know that. But then again you could probably get Dubois for far less valuable assets in return because of the salary. 🤷‍♂️

 

(I suspect HuGo will acquire neither, and will instead surprise us. But who knows).

 

I think "potentially" is the right word. 

 

I have very serious concerns about Dubois now, don't see how the Habs take on that contract, he hasn't shown up this year.  I just don't see how or why you would take a chance with his current contract. A hard NO for me. 

 

Zegras on the other hand is a little more interesting for me. He had a crappy year with injuries so the asking price is likely a little lower than it would normally be. His contract is not ridiculous for a guy who should be a 60 point a year guy, perhaps higher. If the price is right then Zegras is potentially the more interesting of the two. 

[alfredoh2009]

21 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

And using $8.5m of your cap (would also be the highest paid player)( for a third line centre isn’t costly?? We need to boast the second line, and add more scoring. Don’t necessarily need a centre as the priority. If we do get a centr it’s someone go can be a 1b type of second line centre and then Dach can play the wing.

 

those two aren’t the only two options. PLD is with his third team and has yet to have a good year where he was a consistently good player for the ENTIRE season.

 

We were talking trade, right?

Like, either the LAK retains salary, and we do something like:

to MTL: PLD ($8.5M/8yrs), I would be fine with $2M retained over those two years

to LAK: Anderson ($5.5M/3yr)

 

Straight up, one for one with the salary retention. If LAK are not willing to do the salary retention, I would ask for one of their draft picks or prospects to take on salary. With Price on LTIR the habs can take this salary.

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

Both guys are in a Jonathan Drouin situation, back when MB acquired him. There was a reason TB was moving a 23-year-old 3rd overall pick. His relationship with management had soured - but also they may have wisely discerned that he was a basket case.

 

Normally a 23-25 year old C with high pedigree is not going to be available at all, if their team has no concerns about them. (Exceptions do arise, e.g., the Black Hawks dumping Dach).

 

6 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

 

We were talking trade, right.

Like, either the LAK retains salary, or we do something like:

to MTL: PLD ($8.5M/8yrs), I would be fine with $2M retained over those two years

to LAK: Anderson ($5.5M/3yr)

 

Straight up, one for one with the salary retention. If LAK are not willing to do the salary retention, I would ask for one of their draft picks or prospects to take on salary. With Price on LTIR the habs can take this salary.

 

I'd be worried about that trade disrupting our salary structure - Suzuki should be our highest-paid guy - but would probably make the deal. I don't see LA making it, though. Sure, they are relieved of five years of PLD's contract on the back end, but they want to contend now. This deal would commit them to $7 mil in cap costs over the next three years without making them a better team. That doesn't make sense to a team that wants to contend. 

 

[alfredoh2009]

5 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

Both guys are in a Jonathan Drouin situation, back when MB acquired him. There was a reason TB was moving a 23-year-old 3rd overall pick. His relationship with management had soured - but also they may have wisely discerned that he was a basket case.

 

Normally a 23-25 year old C with high pedigree is not going to be available at all, if their team has no concerns about them. (Exceptions do arise, e.g., the Black Hawks dumping Dach).

 

 

I'd be worried about that trade disrupting our salary structure - Suzuki should be our highest-paid guy - but would probably make the deal. I don't see LA making it, though. Sure, they are relieved of five years of PLD's contract on the back end, but they want to contend now. This deal would commit them to $7 mil in cap costs over the next three years without making them a better team. That doesn't make sense to a team that wants to contend. 

 

I thought about trading Dvorak to them, but he would not fit in their cap. Also, they seem to have young Cs that can probably take the 3C 

 

With LAK retaining salary, PLD would fall under the cap hit of Suzuki and others 

For LAK, Anderson would provide the physicality PLD sometimes provides, in a contending team he would produce at 20g40p rate which is fine on a 3rd line. He would do well in the playoffs for them.

 

I also doubt LAK makes this trade, but I can make the argument and feel it is possible and not too far fetched 

[TurdBurglar]

1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said:

 

We were talking trade, right?

Like, either the LAK retains salary, and we do something like:

to MTL: PLD ($8.5M/8yrs), I would be fine with $2M retained over those two years

to LAK: Anderson ($5.5M/3yr)

 

Straight up, one for one with the salary retention. If LAK are not willing to do the salary retention, I would ask for one of their draft picks or prospects to take on salary. With Price on LTIR the habs can take this salary.

There would a cost attached to LA retaining $2m for more 7 years, even if Anderson only has 3 more years left.  The shorter term wouldn't make up for the skill difference and retention alone.  You'd also have to believe there's no way LA sells PLD low after paying so much for him just last off-season. 

 

Anderson's value is at it's lowest point now, after last season. 

[alfredoh2009]

31 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

There would a cost attached to LA retaining $2m for more 7 years, even if Anderson only has 3 more years left.  The shorter term wouldn't make up for the skill difference and retention alone.  You'd also have to believe there's no way LA sells PLD low after paying so much for him just last off-season. 

 

Anderson's value is at it's lowest point now, after last season. 

 

both players are at their lowest value and are reclamation projects. If there are not physical or mental health issues or substance dependencies, the trade makes sense:

 

LAK gets a player at a lower cap, with less term that under the right circumstances may help them in the playoffs since he has performed well there in the past when he was clicking

 

MTL gets a center with size and who is not prone to injury locked up for a long time and with good potential under the right coaching, It is a high risk/reward bet. With salary retention, he becomes an excellent option at 3C, on the power play, and as a good option for 1C/2C if there are injuries. This is one player the Habs can sign because of Price's LTIR

[GHT120]

5 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:

With Price on LTIR the habs can take this salary.

That is ( THANKFULLY ) only for next season and 25/26 ... his contract expiring really won't "add" money to the cap but it will give HuGo back cap flexibility they haven't had since hired.

[Sir_Boagalott]

13 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:

 

both players are at their lowest value and are reclamation projects. If there are not physical or mental health issues or substance dependencies, the trade makes sense:

 

LAK gets a player at a lower cap, with less term that under the right circumstances may help them in the playoffs since he has performed well there in the past when he was clicking

 

MTL gets a center with size and who is not prone to injury locked up for a long time and with good potential under the right coaching, It is a high risk/reward bet. With salary retention, he becomes an excellent option at 3C, on the power play, and as a good option for 1C/2C if there are injuries. This is one player the Habs can sign because of Price's LTIR

 

I'd pass on Dubois.  The $ and length of his contract are too long to be worth any risk of taking it on.

 

It's funny because for years I always had a countdown for the year that Dubois would be a UFA with happy thoughts of him signing with the Habs.  However, I now have absolutely no interest in getting him.  I honestly think the Habs dodged a huge bullet not getting him from the Jets when he demanded a trade.  

 

 

 

[alfredoh2009]

6 hours ago, Sir_Boagalott said:

 

I'd pass on Dubois.  The $ and length of his contract are too long to be worth any risk of taking it on.

 

It's funny because for years I always had a countdown for the year that Dubois would be a UFA with happy thoughts of him signing with the Habs.  However, I now have absolutely no interest in getting him.  I honestly think the Habs dodged a huge bullet not getting him from the Jets when he demanded a trade.  

 

 

 

he is not a player the Habs should try to get; but the question was between the two centers which one would we trade for.

I think the Habs are better off continuing building with the prospects they have 

[Helmethead]

Zegras and it’s not even close. 
 

Even if his contact wasn’t abysmal Dubois would break faster that a gravy drenched poutine fry in Montreal. 

[alfredoh2009]

5 minutes ago, Helmethead said:

Zegras and it’s not even close. 
 

Even if his contact wasn’t abysmal Dubois would break faster that a gravy drenched poutine fry in Montreal. 

but I love poutines! LOL

 

… bathing in that sauce 🤪

Edited April 27 by alfredoh2009

[GHT120]

9 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

but I love poutines! LOL

 

… bathing in that sauce 🤪

Me too

 

The keys are crisp fries ... rich, hot gravy ... and ... room-temperature curds.

Cold curds "eat up" too much heat from the gravy and too often do not even melt.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

10 hours ago, Sir_Boagalott said:

 

I'd pass on Dubois.  The $ and length of his contract are too long to be worth any risk of taking it on.

 

It's funny because for years I always had a countdown for the year that Dubois would be a UFA with happy thoughts of him signing with the Habs.  However, I now have absolutely no interest in getting him.  I honestly think the Habs dodged a huge bullet not getting him from the Jets when he demanded a trade.  

 

 

 

 

Agree 100%, I had visions of the Habs signing him as a UFA or getting a good deal in a trade for him but something is just not right with him. 

[DON]

TVA tossed out 5 names for a Dach/Newhook like trade options;

Jack Quinn or Krebs-Sabres, Alexander Holtz, Kaliyev, or Kakko.

I dont know enough, if these would be good options or not.

 

 

[GHT120]

1 hour ago, DON said:

TVA tossed out 5 names for a Dach/Newhook like trade options;

Jack Quinn or Krebs-Sabres, Alexander Holtz, Kaliyev, or Kakko.

I dont know enough, if these would be good options or not.

 

 

 

All depends on what it takes to get them.

 

My GUESS is that Quinn or Krebs might be the "least expensive" trades ... but I am not certain the Habs are a good match with Buffalo ... they already have a young defence corps, so unless they have interest in Savard or Matheson, not certain where talks start ... and being mid/late rebuild, not certain draft picks interest the Sabres.

 

Holtz has been oft-cited as a target ... assuming Hamilton will return healthy, not certain what the Habs have that the Devils need.

 

Kakko is the one that perhaps interests me the most ... but will the rumoured/supposed Drury-Gorton "bad blood" be an issue?

Jack Quinn
Right Wing -- shoots R
Born Sep 19 2001 -- Ottawa, ONT (22 yrs-old)
Height 6.01 -- Weight 185 [185 cm/84 kg]
Drafted by Buffalo Sabres - round 1 #8 overall 2020 NHL Entry Draft

2021-22    Buffalo Sabres      2      1      1
2022-23    Buffalo Sabres   75    14    23
2023-24    Buffalo Sabres.   27     9    10
                         NHL Totals  104    24   34

 

Peyton Krebs                    
Center -- shoots L                    
Born Jan 26 2001 -- Calgary, ALTA (23 yrs-old)                    
Height 6.00 -- Weight 186 [183 cm/84 kg]                    
Drafted by Vegas Golden Knights - round 1 #17 overall 2019 NHL Entry Draft                               
2020-21    Vegas Golden Knights    4    0     1       1
2021-22    Vegas Golden Knights    9    0     0      0
2021-22    Buffalo Sabres              48    7    15    22
2022-23    Buffalo Sabres              74    9    17    26
2023-24    Buffalo Sabres             80     4   13     17

                            NHL Totals        215  20    46    66

 

Alexander Holtz

Right Wing -- shoots R                        
Born Jan 23 2002 -- Stockholm, Sweden (22 yrs-old)                    
Height 6.00 -- Weight 195 [183 cm/88 kg]                        
Drafted by New Jersey Devils - round 1 #7 overall 2020 NHL Entry Draft              

2021-22    New Jersey Devils     9    0    2    2
2022-23    New Jersey Devils   19    3    1    4
2023-24    New Jersey Devils   82  16  12  28
                         NHL Totals        110  19  15  34

 

Kaapo Kakko                        
Right Wing -- shoots L                        
Born Feb 13 2001 -- Turku, Finland (23 yrs-old)                        
Height 6.02 -- Weight 205 [188 cm/93 kg]                        
Drafted by New York Rangers - round 1 #2 overall 2019 NHL Entry Draft                 
                          
2019-20    New York Rangers   66    10  13   23
2020-21    New York Rangers    48     9    8    17
2021-22    New York Rangers    43     7    11   18
2022-23    New York Rangers    82   18   22   40
2023-24    New York Rangers    61    13    6    19
                        NHL Totals        300    57    60    117

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

The trades for Newhook/Dach were outside the conference. I think teams are more likely to trade a young player to a place where it won't come back to haunt them. Of that group mentioned:

 

Krebs- 20 goals in 215 games, hasn't showed any sign of being a top 6 forward, has had 5 years to figure it out, pass

 

Quinn - might be promising, but trades with division rivals are always tough, likely wouldn't come cheap

 

Holtz - maybe the most promising, has shown signs of being a top 6 forward, depends on the price

 

Kakko - certainly has some talent, depends on the price, has had 5 years in the NHL though so maybe there is something not quite right 

 

Kaliyev- has some  talent but I think the Kings have soured on him, wouldn't give up much for him