tomh009 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 1 hour ago, Commandant said: In both years under HuGo the Habs first rounder (slaf and reinbacher) has been someone who had a late rise in the rankings with good international tourneys, playoffsn second half, etc. Also, I think Hughes will be prioritizing skills and hockey IQ over size, Skafkovsky is big, but he is also very good on the skill and hockey IQ fronts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think Lindstrom has faded in the rankings because of injuries, Faded? Is bang-on the 5th pick (Helenius is 11th) and i guess folks rankings may change after the combine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 2 hours ago, Commandant said: In both years under HuGo the Habs first rounder (slaf and reinbacher) has been someone who had a late rise in the rankings with good international tourneys, playoffsn second half, etc. That's why i think Lindstrom wouldnt be their pick, and see guys like Iginla, Helenius, Catton, as more likely to fit in that mold if Demidov is gone. Lindstrom had the excellent start and faded a bit. Same here. This is why I asked how high is too high for Iginla. I feel he could be our pick. Does he have the same grit and toughness as his father had ? I would absolutely love to replace Gallagher with a guy like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 56 minutes ago, DON said: Faded? Is bang-on the 5th pick (Helenius is 11th) and i guess folks rankings may change after the combine. Perhaps I was giving more weight to Button's most recent rankings which had him at 10. Or maybe others had the opportunity to raise their profile while Lindstrom was hurt. Anyway the draft will be the true test. Then we will really know what the pro scouts think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Just now, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Perhaps I was giving more weight to Button's most recent rankings which had him at 10. Or maybe others had the opportunity to raise their profile while Lindstrom was hurt. Anyway the draft will be the true test. Then we will really know what the pro scouts think. Actually, all we will know is what each team thinks about the players still available when they select ... I actually think THIS YEAR the traditional "we had him higher on our list" may actually be true ion many cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 1 hour ago, DON said: Faded? Is bang-on the 5th pick (Helenius is 11th) and i guess folks rankings may change after the combine. How many of those are recently released updates and how many are from january/feb. Hes dropping in many rankings when released monthly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 8 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Actually, all we will know is what each team thinks about the players still available when they select .. True, that is a more accurate statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Not sure how a Habfan poll of Zegras for Habs 5th pick would turn out? Again; poaching someone elses proposal idea; Would folks trade Xhekaj to Flames for their 9th pick? And i am kinda guessing most HabFans would say NO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 28 minutes ago, DON said: Not sure how a Habfan poll of Zegras for Habs 5th pick would turn out? Again; poaching someone elses proposal idea; Would folks trade Xhekaj to Flames for their 9th pick? And i am kinda guessing most HabFans would say NO! In a split second ... before the Flames changed their mind ... he is a 3rd pairing tough-guy coming off back-to-back shoulder surgeries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Zegras for 5... no Xhekaj for 9... yes 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 24 minutes ago, Commandant said: Zegras for 5... no Xhekaj for 9... yes In the blink of an eye. And I love Arber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 3 hours ago, DON said: Not sure how a Habfan poll of Zegras for Habs 5th pick would turn out? Again; poaching someone elses proposal idea; Would folks trade Xhekaj to Flames for their 9th pick? And i am kinda guessing most HabFans would say NO! Zegras for the 5th pick? - Hard NO! Arber for the 9th pick? - I will have to pass on that question because the logical part of my brain and the sentimental part are having a war over that scenario. I probably wouldn't make a great GM. GHT120 makes a fair point about the shoulder surgeries and the uncertainty because of the injuries. A healthy Arber is a beast and more than just a 3rd pairing tough guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 13 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: A healthy Arber is a beast and more than just a 3rd pairing tough guy. I had meant to write "a 3rd pairing defenceman and tough-guy" ... no doubt about his toughness but whether he is more than a 3rd pairing defenceman is as yet unproven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: I had meant to write "a 3rd pairing defenceman and tough-guy" ... no doubt about his toughness but whether he is more than a 3rd pairing defenceman is as yet unproven. He also has one of the hardest shots in the NHL and a lot of untapped potential in my opinion. Having said that, getting another top 10 pick in this draft would be massive and I don't disagree with anyone who would make that trade. But a draft pick is also unproven in the NHL, they can always bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: He also has one of the hardest shots in the NHL and a lot of untapped potential in my opinion. Having said that, getting another top 10 pick in this draft would be massive and I don't disagree with anyone who would make that trade. But a draft pick is also unproven in the NHL, they can always bust. I think you're overvaluing him. You have to ask the question if his shot is that hard and he has that much untapped potential, why is he strapped to the 3rd pairing and never really put in a position to use that shot? I like Xhekaj, but realistically he's very likely a career 3rd pair or 7th D with a mean streak and a willingness to back it up. I would love to be wrong about that. A player like him capable enough to be 2nd pair would be a nightmare to play against and a team's dream. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 1 hour ago, TurdBurglar said: I think you're overvaluing him. You have to ask the question if his shot is that hard and he has that much untapped potential, why is he strapped to the 3rd pairing and never really put in a position to use that shot? I like Xhekaj, but realistically he's very likely a career 3rd pair or 7th D with a mean streak and a willingness to back it up. I would love to be wrong about that. A player like him capable enough to be 2nd pair would be a nightmare to play against and a team's dream. I think you are right. I think we also have to remember that he also struggled this season, so much so that he needed AHL time find his game. I think hes a unique player but his ceiling is 5/6. Regardless, Calgary isnt giving the #9 pick for him though, so its a pointless excercise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 The AHL time really isn't a surprise when you consider how little experience he has: Equivalent of two OHL seasons (161 games) 17 games in the AHL Little more than one NHL season (95 games) He's 23, but that's really not a whole lot. I don't know whether he has second-pair potential but he has surprised before. Undrafted in both OHL and NHL, and yet he made the team from the training camp in 2022. He might surprise one more time yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 4 minutes ago, tomh009 said: The AHL time really isn't a surprise when you consider how little experience he has: Equivalent of two OHL seasons (161 games) 17 games in the AHL Little more than one NHL season (95 games) He's 23, but that's really not a whole lot. I don't know whether he has second-pair potential but he has surprised before. Undrafted in both OHL and NHL, and yet he made the team from the training camp in 2022. He might surprise one more time yet. Id bet on an 18 year old guy available at 9 over Xhekaj is my point. Add in the logjam at LD and its a no brainer for me. This isnt trade him just to trade him. This is cause the return is a top 10 pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 5 minutes ago, tomh009 said: The AHL time really isn't a surprise when you consider how little experience he has: Equivalent of two OHL seasons (161 games) 17 games in the AHL Little more than one NHL season (95 games) He's 23, but that's really not a whole lot. I don't know whether he has second-pair potential but he has surprised before. Undrafted in both OHL and NHL, and yet he made the team from the training camp in 2022. He might surprise one more time yet. All goes back to "as yet unproven". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 He might be a top 4... but its unlikely and there are legit flaws at age 23. And yes, the #9 pick is no sure thing either. But you are trading the higher floor in xhekaj for the ceiling of the top 10 pick. Add in the quantity of LD in the system and I think you do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 That #9 pick could very well be Parekh. Xhekaj for Parekh sure sounds good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Summer 2022, it cost Romanov and a 3rd for the 13th pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 8 minutes ago, Commandant said: But you are trading the higher floor in xhekaj for the ceiling of the top 10 pick. Add in the quantity of LD in the system and I think you do it. Fully agreed on this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 9 hours ago, GHT120 said: In a split second ... before the Flames changed their mind ... This sums up the Xhekaj for the 9th pick pretty well, not that it's a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 10 hours ago, DON said: Not sure how a Habfan poll of Zegras for Habs 5th pick would turn out? Again; poaching someone elses proposal idea; Would folks trade Xhekaj to Flames for their 9th pick? And i am kinda guessing most HabFans would say NO! I'd trade him before Conroy regained his senses. no way I'd move the # for Zegras though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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