Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 On Necas: "Carolina is letting people know that they consider Necas a budding star and that's the kind of return they want." "Star power is what they want in return I heard." Elliotte says a 1st rounder and a decent prospect isn't going to cut it. #CauseChaos #NHL Feel free to keep him then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: On Necas: "Carolina is letting people know that they consider Necas a budding star and that's the kind of return they want." "Star power is what they want in return I heard." Elliotte says a 1st rounder and a decent prospect isn't going to cut it. #CauseChaos #NHL Feel free to keep him then! Negotiations 101, they are going to ask for the moon to start and settle for less later. I don't expect them to say, yeah, we are letting him go cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalhabs Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Fun trade proposal I saw in facebook. Josh Anderson and 5th overall to Calgary for 9th overall and Huberdeau (4M retained) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 31 minutes ago, Commandant said: Negotiations 101, they are going to ask for the moon to start and settle for less later. I don't expect them to say, yeah, we are letting him go cheap. I’m definitely interested in Necas but certainly wouldn’t give up an existing top 6 player for him. Hopefully nobody offers an overpayment. 3 minutes ago, Dalhabs said: Fun trade proposal I saw in facebook. Josh Anderson and 5th overall to Calgary for 9th overall and Huberdeau (4M retained) Interesting proposal for sure. This trade would come down to if Huberdeau can rebound or not. If there was a way to keep puck #5 and give Calgary their 2025 pick instead then I would do it. Unfortunately Calgary is looking for a partner to land them Iginla so that wouldn’t work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Anderson has 3 years on his contract. Huberdeau has 6 years left and we've already seen the decline. No thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 25 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I’m definitely interested in Necas but certainly wouldn’t give up an existing top 6 player for him. I would give up our 6th best forward for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 25 minutes ago, Commandant said: Anderson has 3 years on his contract. Huberdeau has 6 years left and we've already seen the decline. No thanks Actually I think he has 7 years left. He is 31, definitely a NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 26 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I would give up our 6th best forward for him. That’s a good one it made me chuckle. I’m not sure who I think is our 6th best forward right now. Armia? Perhaps Gallagher? Either I’m not remembering somebody or that is sad 😞. Thankfully HuGo are aware and they are going to fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 (edited) I was reading an interesting article on a trade between PHI and MIN for Rossi. He seems like a talented center that would fit with the Habs. Here is a trade proposal: To MTL: Marco Rossi (22yr, $0.863M/2025) and Freddy Gaudreau (31yr, $2.1M/2028) = $2.963M/yr To MIN: Logan Maiiloux (21yr, $0.875M/2026), a 3rd/2nd draft pick or middling prospect (Engstrom? , Kapanen?) and Christian Dvorak (28yr, $4.45M/2025 $2.362M retained) = $2.963M/yr The Canadians gets a play-making center with 2C potential that has already played a full NHL season. They pickup a bad contract for Gaudreau that was playing well until his concussion and that may find his health in MTL (given their experience with that) MIN gets a solid RD prospect on an entry-level contract, and get a bottom-6 center on an expiring contract that fits on their current gap (as far as I can tell). The added 3rd or prospect is there to add someone valued by MIN that may make it more palatable for them. In the short term, it gives them a bit of cap flexibility at the end of this season while improving on their F pool a bit. It also gives them a good RD prospect that can grow into Bogosian's spot or even Spurgeon's. Edited June 7 by alfredoh2009 added a bit more value from the 2nd piece from Montreal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 6 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I was reading an interesting article on a trade between PHI and MIN for Rossi. He seems like a talented center that would fit with the Habs. Here is a trade proposal: To MTL: Marco Rossi (22yr, $0.863M/2025) and Freddy Gaudreau (31yr, $2.1M/2028) = $2.963M/yr To MIN: Logan Maiiloux (21yr, $0.875M/2026), a 3rd draft pick or middling prospect, and Christian Dvorak (28yr, $4.45M/2025 $2.362M retained) = $2.963M/yr The Canadians gets a play-making center with 2C potential that has already played a full NHL season. They pickup a bad contract for Gaudreau that was playing well until his concussion and that may find his health in MTL (given their experience with that) MIN gets a solid RD prospect on an entry-level contract, and get a bottom-6 center on an expiring contract that fits on their current gap (as far as I can tell). The added 3rd or prospect is there to add someone valued by MIN that may make it more palatable for them. In the short term, it gives them a bit of cap flexibility at the end of this season while improving on their F pool a bit. It also gives them a good RD prospect that can grow into Bogosian's spot or even Spurgeon's. That only works if Dvorak has "value" ... I don't think he does ... Mailloux and Winnipeg's pick for Rossi might be close, or at least get serious talks started Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 11 minutes ago, GHT120 said: That only works if Dvorak has "value" ... I don't think he does ... Mailloux and Winnipeg's pick for Rossi might be close, or at least get serious talks started In The Athletic, they report that cap flexibility is needed by MIN, that is something an expiring contract would give them. I forget which article I read mentioned that Rossi is on the market because his size is a concern for the MIN management and/or coach. Dvorak would fit on their 3rd line very well, special teams too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 3 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: In The Athletic, they report that cap flexibility is needed by MIN, that is something an expiring contract would give them. I forget which article I read mentioned that Rossi is on the market because his size is a concern for the MIN management and/or coach. Dvorak would fit on their 3rd line very well, special teams too. Cap flexibility is a concern for minnesota so you give them the same cap hit but one fewer player so they need to add someone to the roster and actually have less flexibility Make it make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 27 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: In The Athletic, they report that cap flexibility is needed by MIN, that is something an expiring contract would give them. I forget which article I read mentioned that Rossi is on the market because his size is a concern for the MIN management and/or coach. Dvorak would fit on their 3rd line very well, special teams too. They need cap flexibility for the 24/25 season ... the cap-hits for the Suter/Parise buyouts are quite manageable after next season ... so an expiring contract is of little value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 4 minutes ago, GHT120 said: They need cap flexibility for the 24/25 season ... the cap-hits for the Suter/Parise buyouts are quite manageable after next season ... so an expiring contract is of little value Yes, and Rossi is on the market according to this article because of that lack of flexibility: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5536779/2024/06/04/wild-offseason-roster-moves/ From this June 4 article: Quote Now, that’s partly due to one final year of $14.7 million in dead money plus another $425,000 cap overage for Marco Rossi hitting performance bonuses (plus potentially another $212,500 if Rossi makes the all-rookie team later this month). Mailloux wouldn't have those bonuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Rossi seems interesting, but he's 5'9. Now I am NOT one of these "moar bigger" guys, but I do think the idea of projecting him and CC as core pieces on a future contender will give HuGo pause. Conversely, the size factor may make him more affordable. And - can he play W? If Dach blossoms next season, Rossi would be a lot more interesting as a top-6 W than as a #2C, in my opinion. The fact that he can play C, though, would make him an intriguing fall-back in case Dach gets hurt yet again. Part of me just doesn't want to constanatly hear "Smurf" jokes about the Habs. Had my fill of that circa 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said: Yes, and Rossi is on the market according to this article because of that lack of flexibility: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5536779/2024/06/04/wild-offseason-roster-moves/ From this June 4 article: But trading dollar in for dollar out does not create the cap flexibility needed for this upcoming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 This report from Freidman (about 29:05 mark) says Hurricanes are listening to offers (mid-round pick ask) to trade Geuntzel's rights before July 1st ... ***may*** indicate that they don't believe they can re-sign him, which could then change their plans for Necas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 46 minutes ago, GHT120 said: But trading dollar in for dollar out does not create the cap flexibility needed for this upcoming season. In fact its worse flexibility... cause its two players out (Gaudreau and Rossi) that cost the same as one in (Dvorak after the retention).... so now they have fewer players on their active roster but are paying the same, and if Mailloux makes the team, or another forward is called up, they actually have less money available to fill out the roster. That's why it doesn't accomplish the goal of more cap flexibility for minnesota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 40 minutes ago, GHT120 said: This report from Freidman (about 29:05 mark) says Hurricanes are listening to offers (mid-round pick ask) to trade Geuntzel's rights before July 1st ... ***may*** indicate that they don't believe they can re-sign him, which could then change their plans for Necas. The issue with Necas is he wants to go to a team that will use him at Centre (on at least the 2nd line) and will give him PP1 minutes. He feels he can score more with more opportunity and earn an even bigger contract next summer. He doesn't want to stay in Carolina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 36 minutes ago, Commandant said: The issue with Necas is he wants to go to a team that will use him at Centre (on at least the 2nd line) and will give him PP1 minutes. He feels he can score more with more opportunity and earn an even bigger contract next summer. He doesn't want to stay in Carolina. As an RFA, "want" doesn't always play much of a factor in what teams plan to do ... didn't say they wouldn't trade him, just that it ***may*** change their plans for him, or perhaps what they would look for in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 (edited) 4 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Rossi seems interesting, but he's 5'9. Now I am NOT one of these "moar bigger" guys, but I do think the idea of projecting him and CC as core pieces on a future contender will give HuGo pause. Conversely, the size factor may make him more affordable. And - can he play W? If Dach blossoms next season, Rossi would be a lot more interesting as a top-6 W than as a #2C, in my opinion. The fact that he can play C, though, would make him an intriguing fall-back in case Dach gets hurt yet again. Part of me just doesn't want to constanatly hear "Smurf" jokes about the Habs. Had my fill of that circa 2010. this line of reasoning in favor of trading for Rossi is what made me think of this trade https://www.broadstreethockey.com/post/trading-for-marco-rossi-is-a-swing-the-flyers-should-take/ Quote a hard nosed, high-skill, and unafraid style who is dependable in all three zones of the ice. This way, Dach can go on the 1st line as a winger. The Habs will have C depth with Beck and Kapanene in the pipeline and Dach able to fill-in inf there are injuries. Caufield-Suzuki-Dach Roy-Rossi-Slafkovsky Anderson-Newhook-Gallagher HarveyPinard-Evans-Armia Pezzetta/(*Beck?) Edited June 8 by alfredoh2009 added quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 3 hours ago, GHT120 said: But trading dollar in for dollar out does not create the cap flexibility needed for this upcoming season. in various MIN forums, they say that it will be a transition season form them. They have some good prospects in the system and seem to want to give Reily Heidt a chance to win a spot on the roster and also they seem to be on the verge of getting Danila Yurov. Those two prospects will mean that they will get rid of some costly contracts: Marcus Johansson can be bought out and diminish their payroll by 1.33M. Alex Goligoski will probably retire and Mason Shaw's career is probably over after an injury. It is not a lot of money, but enough to get them through a retool year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 3 hours ago, Commandant said: The issue with Necas is he wants to go to a team that will use him at Centre (on at least the 2nd line) and will give him PP1 minutes. He feels he can score more with more opportunity and earn an even bigger contract next summer. He doesn't want to stay in Carolina. No question Necas is talented but I am a little leery of trading for a guy who would be coming in with certain expectations on how and where he would be used. Will he be happy in Montreal ? Does he need to be the guy? I don't know. Maybe this stuff is overblown by the media a bit but it doesn't sound like the kind of guy you are going to outbid every other team for. Let's pass on this and draft the right guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 On 6/7/2024 at 9:47 PM, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: No question Necas is talented but I am a little leery of trading for a guy who would be coming in with certain expectations on how and where he would be used. Will he be happy in Montreal ? Does he need to be the guy? I don't know. Maybe this stuff is overblown by the media a bit but it doesn't sound like the kind of guy you are going to outbid every other team for. Let's pass on this and draft the right guy. Yep. Let your on ice actions determine where you fit in the line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 On 6/7/2024 at 9:47 PM, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: No question Necas is talented but I am a little leery of trading for a guy who would be coming in with certain expectations on how and where he would be used. Will he be happy in Montreal ? Does he need to be the guy? I don't know. Maybe this stuff is overblown by the media a bit but it doesn't sound like the kind of guy you are going to outbid every other team for. Let's pass on this and draft the right guy. His expectations doesn't really matter. He's an RFA with no bargaining power except his contract. I would imagine any serious interested party would want a sign and trade anyway. If he refuses to sign with a team, it only hurts Carolina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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