Commandant Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 1 hour ago, TurdBurglar said: His expectations doesn't really matter. He's an RFA with no bargaining power except his contract. I would imagine any serious interested party would want a sign and trade anyway. If he refuses to sign with a team, it only hurts Carolina. His expectations do matter. No team is trading for him, if he's not signing.... and he's not signing without a path to be a top 6 centre/top PP time on the new club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 23 minutes ago, Commandant said: His expectations do matter. No team is trading for him, if he's not signing.... and he's not signing without a path to be a top 6 centre/top PP time on the new club. Is Necas potentially a better centre than Dach? Dach is not good at face offs but is a good centre otherwise. He is excellent as a winger too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 2 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Is Necas potentially a better centre than Dach? Dach is not good at face offs but is a good centre otherwise. He is excellent as a winger too. He hasn't played much centre since before he was in the NHL. At the price he costs, I'm out if he is insisting on playing centre. For the price, I want to know what I'm getting which is a very good top 6 winger, but I don't want to do the Drouin, Domi experiments of converting a wing to centre again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 3 hours ago, Commandant said: He hasn't played much centre since before he was in the NHL. At the price he costs, I'm out if he is insisting on playing centre. For the price, I want to know what I'm getting which is a very good top 6 winger, but I don't want to do the Drouin, Domi experiments of converting a wing to centre again. Agreed, somehow I don't think Hughes will be the one stepping up and offering the highest price for his services. I paid attention to him a lot watching the Carolina - Ranger series and his talent is undeniable. Somehow I think a Boston- Carolina trade might work, the Bruins need scoring and Ullmark might be a good fit in Carolina. However Montreal has young pieces (and cheaper) to offer Carolina if the cap is a concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 5 hours ago, Commandant said: He hasn't played much centre since before he was in the NHL. At the price he costs, I'm out if he is insisting on playing centre. For the price, I want to know what I'm getting which is a very good top 6 winger, but I don't want to do the Drouin, Domi experiments of converting a wing to centre again. 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Agreed, somehow I don't think Hughes will be the one stepping up and offering the highest price for his services. I paid attention to him a lot watching the Carolina - Ranger series and his talent is undeniable. Somehow I think a Boston- Carolina trade might work, the Bruins need scoring and Ullmark might be a good fit in Carolina. However Montreal has young pieces (and cheaper) to offer Carolina if the cap is a concern. Kind of odd that Necas demanding to play centre when he hasn’t in a long time. Agree that no way HuGo has anything to do with a player with demands like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Will be interesting what Hughes does in the next few weeks. I would think be cheaper to try and find team with cap issues than the Ducks, who dont 'need' to do anything anytime soon. But Zegras is an upgrade in the top six and could be what is needed to help boost the offense. Zegras and the Montreal Personality Trap – HabsWorld.net So, should Hughes take a chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Zegras is not worth the rumoured price Anaheim wants. For reinbacher or guhle, they can kick rocks and keep their one dimensional player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbhatt Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 28 minutes ago, Commandant said: Zegras is not worth the rumoured price Anaheim wants. For reinbacher or guhle, they can kick rocks and keep their one dimensional player. The rumoured price is insane. How Anaheim thinks they can get a king's ransom for a floating winger who's best season is 20ish goals and 60ish points, and has already gained a reputation for not being coachable is beyond me. Seems he'd be worth a low 1st round pick at best. Watching these playoffs and seeing how important the physicality Florida couples with skill has been in their success, I don't want a player like Zegras. If I'm going to give up significant assets, I want a guy more like Slaf...strength and scoring in the same package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyrealist Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 24 minutes ago, sbhatt said: The rumoured price is insane. How Anaheim thinks they can get a king's ransom for a floating winger who's best season is 20ish goals and 60ish points, and has already gained a reputation for not being coachable is beyond me. Seems he'd be worth a low 1st round pick at best. Watching these playoffs and seeing how important the physicality Florida couples with skill has been in their success, I don't want a player like Zegras. If I'm going to give up significant assets, I want a guy more like Slaf...strength and scoring in the same package. Well said, feel the same. with the time to could take to integrate a player like Zegras, may as well pencil in a prospect for the top 6 spot he’d fill and have similar time line. No way he arrives, gels, produces enough to make a difference in next 2-3 seasons. An offensive talent prospect with the right attitude, gestated in the current culture would be a smarter gamble imo and still arrive in time for when the games matter. Wish that was sooner, but cautiously optimistic we’ve still got 3-4 seasons of middling/pushing for playoffs before we are yearly participants in the dance for a window of unknown duration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 FWIW: Caufield 59.59pts/82 Zegras 59.84pts/82 Was Caufield's defense vey good when he started? Is Zegras's 2 way game fixable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Caufield has already improved his defensive game. It is a risk that Zegras might. I'm not giving up a guy we just drafted at 5th overall for someone who has been in the league for 4 years, and its still a risk if he will become more than a one-dimensional player. For a cheaper price, sure.... but not for Reinbacher or Guhle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 How about Mailloux? Zegras is 23 and highly skilled. You know me, I always look at talent first…and 30 years of Habs history show how hard it is to find the pure thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 5 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: How about Mailloux? Zegras is 23 and highly skilled. You know me, I always look at talent first…and 30 years of Habs history show how hard it is to find the pure thing. I would for Mailloux. Though it would change my thinking with the pick at 5 to consider a RHD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 2 hours ago, sbhatt said: The rumoured price is insane. How Anaheim thinks they can get a king's ransom for a floating winger who's best season is 20ish goals and 60ish points, and has already gained a reputation for not being coachable is beyond me. Seems he'd be worth a low 1st round pick at best. Watching these playoffs and seeing how important the physicality Florida couples with skill has been in their success, I don't want a player like Zegras. If I'm going to give up significant assets, I want a guy more like Slaf...strength and scoring in the same package. Leonard would have been a good pick last year to fill that need, and would probably have been ready to step into the lineup for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 10 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: Leonard would have been a good pick last year to fill that need, and would probably have been ready to step into the lineup for next season. Leonard is 6'0" 190 lbs. Whether he can play the physical game he plays against juniors and college kids at the NHL level, and still be effective offensively, and stay healthy at the NHL level is a question mark IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 2 hours ago, Commandant said: I'm not giving up a guy we just drafted at 5th overall for someone who has been in the league for 4 years, and its still a risk if he will become more than a one-dimensional player. For a cheaper price, sure.... but not for Reinbacher or Guhle. That's kind of how I feel. You are always taking a risk when you trade young players but would hate to trade a young defensemen that becomes a stud, they are hard to find. I would rather continue to see the young defense develop (we will have to trade somebody on the blueline eventually) hope that Dach develops and stays healthy, hope that Roy develops and take the best forward available in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: That's kind of how I feel. You are always taking a risk when you trade young players but would hate to trade a young defensemen that becomes a stud, they are hard to find. I would rather continue to see the young defense develop (we will have to trade somebody on the blueline eventually) hope that Dach develops and stays healthy, hope that Roy develops and take the best forward available in the draft. So everyone is good with a trade, but not a risky one, nor one that ships out a top prospect? Seems not even Xhekaj is tradeable according to HabFans, just "too valuable" (Arber simply is a 3rd pairing d-man on this roster, unless we are trading one or two of Matheson/Guhle/Hutson). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 5 minutes ago, DON said: So everyone is good with a trade, but not a risky one, nor one that ships out a top prospect? Seems not even Xhekaj is tradeable according to HabFans, just "too valuable" (Arber simply is a 3rd pairing d-man on this roster, unless we are trading one or two of Matheson/Guhle/Hutson). I'd trade Xhekaj for Zegras and even drive the kid to the airport. So don't generalize that " not even Xhekaj is tradeable according to HabFans," cause Habsfans isn't a monolith that shares all the same opinions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Didnt say for Zegras, simply say is expendable in trade, as just another LH d-man (but some GM may love him). And at the mention of trade Xhekaj, folks get excited and keep saying they dont want to part with him, as his goonery is highly prized and makes all his teammates play tougher or some such nonsense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 3 minutes ago, DON said: Didnt say for Zegras, simply say is expendable in trade, as just another LH d-man (but some GM may love him). And at the mention of trade Xhekaj, folks get excited and keep saying they dont want to part with him, as his goonery is highly prized and makes all his teammates play tougher or some such nonsense. Again... some fans do that. Dont say all Habs fans. It also depends on the the trade. If Edmonton offered Connor McDavid for Nick Suzuki are we saying no, suzuki is not tradeable. Its silly to speak in absolutes like all habs fans think ____, or _____ is untouchable. Cause neither is true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 14 hours ago, DON said: Didnt say for Zegras, simply say is expendable in trade, as just another LH d-man (but some GM may love him). And at the mention of trade Xhekaj, folks get excited and keep saying they dont want to part with him, as his goonery is highly prized and makes all his teammates play tougher or some such nonsense. Anyone who played hockey at that kind of level knows that it's kinda true though. Not all players will play tougher with Xhekaj in the lineup, Suzuki and Caufield are probably not playing any tougher but some will. RHP, Pezz, Slaf will. Struble and Mailloux will play tougher protecting their goalie with the extra glove shove knowing that the other theam knows Xhekaj is dressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Here is CapFriendly's scouting report on Zegras: https://www.capfriendly.com/scouting-reports/players/trevor-zegras Not worth a kings ransom IMHO, but a good 2nd-line center. Quote Dynamic offensive talent who has holes in his game defensively and, at times, lacks a full 200ft effort. (-5) defensively at time of his injury. Took a step back offensively as well (4G-3A) with all of his assists coming on the PP. Room for significant improvement in the face-off circle (40%) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 11 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: Here is CapFriendly's scouting report on Zegras: https://www.capfriendly.com/scouting-reports/players/trevor-zegras Not worth a kings ransom IMHO, but a good 2nd-line center. What are odds a player like him at 22-23 yr old, can change and significantly improve on his 2 way game? I vaguely remember Yzerman did it and became a good 2 way player (or maybe had to as Wings were such a crappy team?). Obviously are bunch of Hoffman-like players who never gave a crap about backchecking or taking a hit to make a play (Verbeek not a fan for some reason). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 29 minutes ago, DON said: What are odds a player like him at 22-23 yr old, can change and significantly improve on his 2 way game? I vaguely remember Yzerman did it and became a good 2 way player (or maybe had to as Wings were such a crappy team?). Obviously are bunch of Hoffman-like players who never gave a crap about backchecking or taking a hit to make a play (Verbeek not a fan for some reason). Players tend to develop a defensive game over their career, with rare exceptions. By the time he's in his late 20's, he'll probably be ok defensively but never come close to winning an award for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 10 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: Players tend to develop a defensive game over their career, with rare exceptions. By the time he's in his late 20's, he'll probably be ok defensively but never come close to winning an award for it. Just like Drouin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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