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1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

I like proposal 1 from a Habs point of view. The likely issue from Winnipeg's point of view is the uncertainty of the pick. Best case scenario it might be around 12, more likely in the 20's if it's Florida's pick which is not great value for their best prospect.  I am ok with 2 or 3, just not sure if Waddell is ready to trade with the Habs.

 

Their "best prospect" was taken at 14 overall.  I like McGroarty but I'm not sure he's as good as what was the rumoured ask (a top 10 pick) and that's likely why its July 1st and he hasn't been traded yet. 

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4 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

Their "best prospect" was taken at 14 overall.  I like McGroarty but I'm not sure he's as good as what was the rumoured ask (a top 10 pick) and that's likely why its July 1st and he hasn't been traded yet. 

Certainly the fact he hasn't been traded yet indicates there is a difference of opinion on what the Jets value him at and what other teams think his value is. Getting a top 10 pick seems a little optimistic.

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As for Laine, I think the list of potential trade partners has to be pretty short after the initial UFA frenzy.

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We kept hearing from guys like Arpon Basu that this management isn't afraid of big money, but doesn't want to give term this offseason.  While Laine is two years. 

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Just now, Commandant said:

We kept hearing from guys like Arpon Basu that this management isn't afraid of big money, but doesn't want to give term this offseason.  While Laine is two years. 

He does seem to "fit the bill" for a short-term Top 6 boost.

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Question... would management we have interest in acquiring Ceci? Edmonton needs capspace and would pay to move him.

 

Would free us up to move Savard at the deadline and provide insoluation on rhd to ensure Mailloux/Hutson in AHL for half the season.

 

Obviously we have to move dmen but mainly on the left. Having ceci would help us move Guhle to the left.

 

Mattheson-Savard

Guhle-Ceci

Xhejak-Barron

Struble

 

Move out: Harris

 

Ahl

Trudeau-Mailloux

Hutson-Reinbacher

Engstrom-GENERIC DUDE

 

Then once Savard or ceci are moved... mailloux/Hutson comes up and Engstrm gets more minutes after getting used to na on the 3rd pairing?

 

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10 hours ago, Commandant said:

We kept hearing from guys like Arpon Basu that this management isn't afraid of big money, but doesn't want to give term this offseason.  While Laine is two years. 

Basu says they were offering two years to Marchessault, who has confirmed that the Habs were under consideration until the very end. So, a Laine contract for two years should be fine even without retention.

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I don't think the team is looking at doing things like the Monahan trade again, especially with a defenceman. 

 

Circumstances have changed from when they did that, so I don't think Ceci would be an option. 

 

You want to let the kids play and not block them, hence why Kovacevic was moved, and you also want to take the next step.  The roster has been built up since the time they did that similar move with Monahan, and that was also a position of need for the Habs, where D isn't. 

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7 hours ago, Plutarch said:

Question... would management we have interest in acquiring Ceci? Edmonton needs capspace and would pay to move him.

 

Would free us up to move Savard at the deadline and provide insoluation on rhd to ensure Mailloux/Hutson in AHL for half the season.

 

Obviously we have to move dmen but mainly on the left. Having ceci would help us move Guhle to the left.

 

Mattheson-Savard

Guhle-Ceci

Xhejak-Barron

Struble

 

Move out: Harris

 

Ahl

Trudeau-Mailloux

Hutson-Reinbacher

Engstrom-GENERIC DUDE

 

Then once Savard or ceci are moved... mailloux/Hutson comes up and Engstrm gets more minutes after getting used to na on the 3rd pairing?

 

The rumors point to Kane being the one on the move.  I've read reports of his being asked to waive his NMC and reports of him not being asked.  Either way the Oilers need to clear about $2.5m in cap to be compliant, with Holloway and Broberg to sign.  

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8 minutes ago, Commandant said:

Would you sign Max Pacioretty to a one-year cheap (say 2 million or less) prove it deal?

I like Max, but it would be an odd dynamic bringing him back - not sure if he'd even want to come back.

 

He's also been injured a lot lately, and no longer seems to have Wolverine healing powers anymore. Not sure a team that has lost so many players to injury and are counting on Dach - who seems to be injury prone this far in his career, needs another injury prone guy.

 

if rather see if we can get Laine without giving up too much, and potentially moving Anderson, or Gallagher as part of the deal.

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20 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

The rumors point to Kane being the one on the move.  I've read reports of his being asked to waive his NMC and reports of him not being asked.  Either way the Oilers need to clear about $2.5m in cap to be compliant, with Holloway and Broberg to sign.  

I think the Oilers would much rather move Kane, losing Ceci might leave them a little thin on the blueline. I am sure the Habs wouldn't mind taking on Ceci for the right price, it's only for 1 year plus he is one of the more popular guys on the Oilers  team so he wouldn't be a problem in the dressing room. Kane on the other hand has 2 years plus he has a history. However the Oilers have to do something. Their partner will be someone with cap space.

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19 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

 

 

if rather see if we can get Laine without giving up too much, and potentially moving Anderson, or Gallagher as part of the deal.

Columbus has a lot of cap space so they can afford to hang on to him unless the right deal comes along. I just don't see why they would take on a bad contract from somebody else unless a nice sweetener was involved.

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43 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

Columbus has a lot of cap space so they can afford to hang on to him unless the right deal comes along. I just don't see why they would take on a bad contract from somebody else unless a nice sweetener was involved.

 

Depends whether they are "willing" to trade Laine or "want" to trade Laine.

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57 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

Max will be 36 in November. That ship has sailed.  

 

That (and the injuries) would be why its one year and cheap. 

 

If he plays well he could help the second line and help in a playoff chase.  If we are too far out, and he's playing well would likely fetch a good package at the deadline.  If he plays poorly its easy to just stick him on a bottom line or in the press box. 

 

There is room amongst the forwards still for a vet scorer, and cap space to do it. 

 

I like Laine, McGroarty and Tarasenko as better options, but beyond that he might be a good plan C or D

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21 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

That (and the injuries) would be why its one year and cheap. 

 

If he plays well he could help the second line and help in a playoff chase.  If we are too far out, and he's playing well would likely fetch a good package at the deadline.  If he plays poorly its easy to just stick him on a bottom line or in the press box. 

 

There is room amongst the forwards still for a vet scorer, and cap space to do it. 

 

I like Laine, McGroarty and Tarasenko as better options, but beyond that he might be a good plan C or D

Yeah, the risk would be low on a cheap 1 year deal. 

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On 7/2/2024 at 5:22 PM, Commandant said:

 

That (and the injuries) would be why its one year and cheap. 

 

If he plays well he could help the second line and help in a playoff chase.  If we are too far out, and he's playing well would likely fetch a good package at the deadline.  If he plays poorly its easy to just stick him on a bottom line or in the press box. 

 

There is room amongst the forwards still for a vet scorer, and cap space to do it. 

 

I like Laine, McGroarty and Tarasenko as better options, but beyond that he might be a good plan C or D

It would be a nice redemption story.

Patches end here was so contentious.. it would be nice to mend that bridge. Since vibes are basically as important as results next year lol

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On 7/2/2024 at 8:54 AM, tomh009 said:

Basu says they were offering two years to Marchessault, who has confirmed that the Habs were under consideration until the very end. So, a Laine contract for two years should be fine even without retention.

Hughes has actually said he was willing to go up to three years with Marchessault, but not the five that the player wanted.

 

Clearly Hughes is expecting that we'll be in "the window" three years from now, and we'll need the cap space from the Gallagher and Anderson contracts for signing a key UFA or two, and he does not want to commit cap space in those years to an aging veteran.

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6 hours ago, Plutarch said:

It would be a nice redemption story.

Patches end here was so contentious.. it would be nice to mend that bridge. Since vibes are basically as important as results next year lol

 

He’s not a player I have particularly intense feelings about one way or the other, so from my perspective the “vibes” would be limited. However, I think he would be a worthwhile signing on a short-term deal, for sure: a veteran leader with upside, on a young team with a dearth of talent at FW. What’s not to like?

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7 hours ago, Plutarch said:

It would be a nice redemption story.

Patches end here was so contentious.. it would be nice to mend that bridge. Since vibes are basically as important as results next year lol

 

I disagree that Vibes are as important as results.  I think we want to take a step to playing meaningful hockey in March and April.  That doesn't mean we need to make the playoffs, but we have to be in the race at least.  That's the next step in the rebuild, the youngsters experiencing some pressure and important hockey games. 

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1 minute ago, GHT120 said:

Max missed 35 games last season with Washington ... their season was 187 days, 35/82nds of that is 86 days ... depending on exactly which games he missed, there is a *** SLIM *** chance he might have missed the 100 days necessary for him to sign a bonus-based, 35+contract for 2024-25.

 

Isn't there a sub-rule that includes over the last 2 seasons, cause he only played 5 games in 2022-23. 

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6 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

Isn't there a sub-rule that includes over the last 2 seasons, cause he only played 5 games in 2022-23. 

You beat me to it, I deleted that post.

 

As a 35-yr-old he is eligible for ONE year, bonus-based contract.

 

He missed the start of last season, first game January 3rd, but played the rest of the season* and all 4 playoff games ... but only had 4 regular season goals in 47 games and no playoff games ... but on a say $1.5M contract with bonuses he might be a worthwhile signing.

 

* - He may have missed a game or two in the regular season after he returned, I didn't do a game-by-game comparison.

 

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1 hour ago, Commandant said:

 

 I think we want to take a step to playing meaningful hockey in March and April.  That doesn't mean we need to make the playoffs, but we have to be in the race at least.  That's the next step in the rebuild, the youngsters experiencing some pressure and important hockey games. 

 

Agree 100%, time for the young guys to at least be in the race for a playoff spot late in the year. Going too many years without a sniff can develop a losing mindset, you don't want that. 

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