Habsfan Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 On 6/29/2024 at 12:31 PM, dlbalr said: Something like Barron/Dvorak/FLA 1st 25 for McGroarty/Schmidt comes to mind, giving them a return that helps now, a future asset in the 1st, and around $1.5M in cap room. i read that this could be something that would interest the Jets. Only difference was that it was only McGroarty coming to Montreal! I kinda like this deal, I just wonder if it would be enough for the Jets!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 51 minutes ago, Habsfan said: i read that this could be something that would interest the Jets. Only difference was that it was only McGroarty coming to Montreal! I kinda like this deal, I just wonder if it would be enough for the Jets!? Seeing as they bought out Schmidt and he's signed with Florida, the offer needs to be reworked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plutarch Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 On 7/4/2024 at 4:12 PM, Commandant said: I disagree that Vibes are as important as results. I think we want to take a step to playing meaningful hockey in March and April. That doesn't mean we need to make the playoffs, but we have to be in the race at least. That's the next step in the rebuild, the youngsters experiencing some pressure and important hockey games. I meant more from a fan perspective. Some progress sure but I have no illusions of being a late season playof contender after the moves some teams made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 7 hours ago, Plutarch said: I meant more from a fan perspective. Some progress sure but I have no illusions of being a late season playof contender after the moves some teams made. I expect some improvement from having a healthy Dach and Newhook, which will give us a better second line, as well as some improvement from the defence due to them growing and maturing. I've said for a while that we need another top line forward (who would play on the second line) to get into the playoffs, but I do believe we can be competitive for longer with the team we have. And there is still plenty of time before training camp for trades. I'm still hoping for one of Laine, McGroarty or Ehlers. That said, Necas hasn't been traded yet either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 12 minutes ago, Commandant said: And there is still plenty of time before training camp for trades. I'm still hoping for one of Laine, McGroarty or Ehlers. That said, Necas hasn't been traded yet either. What do you think is a fair trade for McGroaty? Winnipeg isn't particularly deep at defense so you would think any deal would start with one of the Habs young defenseman, likely one that we don't want to give up. Not sure they are interested in picks. We do have an extra 1st rounder next year. It's hard to put a value on McGroaty because he is still a prospect, perhaps a very good one but still a prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 24 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: It's hard to put a value on McGroaty because he is still a prospect, perhaps a very good one but still a prospect. Pretty impressive NCAA offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 27 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: What do you think is a fair trade for McGroaty? Winnipeg isn't particularly deep at defense so you would think any deal would start with one of the Habs young defenseman, likely one that we don't want to give up. Not sure they are interested in picks. We do have an extra 1st rounder next year. It's hard to put a value on McGroaty because he is still a prospect, perhaps a very good one but still a prospect. Calgary's 1st and one of Harris/Struble seems fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 7 minutes ago, DON said: Pretty impressive NCAA offense. McGroaty and Slafkovsky were born on the same day. Maybe they were meant to play together. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 5 minutes ago, Commandant said: Calgary's 1st and one of Harris/Struble seems fair. That does seems fair. Winnipeg doesn't know how high that pick could be, could be 12 (good deal for Winnipeg) or could be 30 (good deal for Montreal), there is always some risk involved in any trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 7 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: That does seems fair. Winnipeg doesn't know how high that pick could be, could be 12 (good deal for Winnipeg) or could be 30 (good deal for Montreal), there is always some risk involved in any trade. I think given the wide range in where that pick could fall would probably mean that if a deal like that did go down, the first round pick we are giving up would probably be as convoluted as the Calgary/Florida pick we are due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 11 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: I think given the wide range in where that pick could fall would probably mean that if a deal like that did go down, the first round pick we are giving up would probably be as convoluted as the Calgary/Florida pick we are due. That is the pick he is suggesting trading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 15 minutes ago, GHT120 said: That is the pick he is suggesting trading. Yes, but given the wide range of landing spots, Winnipeg might want additional conditions from Montreal depending on where the pick lands. For example, if the pick is outside the top 20, the Habs then owe an additional draft pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 19 minutes ago, dlbalr said: Yes, but given the wide range of landing spots, Winnipeg might want additional conditions from Montreal depending on where the pick lands. For example, if the pick is outside the top 20, the Habs then owe an additional draft pick. Agreed, as habs29RETIRED said, it could be equally convoluted. Attaching some conditions would make it more amenable to Winnipeg as they don't want to be embarrassed trading McGroaty for the 30th pick. It could be something like as you suggested; 1) if the pick is outside the top 20 then they get the best of Montreal's second round picks in 2025 (Habs have 2 second round picks, both likely in the top 15 of the 2nd round) or 2) if the pick is outside the top 20 and the Habs own pick is between 10 and 20 then they get the Habs pick I can convolute the heck out of this but I will stop for now. LOL I think McGroaty fits the rebuild so it's worth looking at. He's the right age and wanting to turn pro. Without a trade to somebody he will get to play with Hage this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plutarch Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 On 7/6/2024 at 10:29 AM, Commandant said: I expect some improvement from having a healthy Dach and Newhook, which will give us a better second line, as well as some improvement from the defence due to them growing and maturing. I've said for a while that we need another top line forward (who would play on the second line) to get into the playoffs, but I do believe we can be competitive for longer with the team we have. And there is still plenty of time before training camp for trades. I'm still hoping for one of Laine, McGroarty or Ehlers. That said, Necas hasn't been traded yet either. How concerned are you about Ehlers/Necas being perimeter guys with reputations for struggling in the playoffs? We need offensive talent but would acquiring the wrong talent this year be forcing it when others may be available next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Necas not worried at all. His game isnt perimeter player. Ehlers a little concerned but i think its overrated too. He plays on the counterattack and there is no reason why that doesn't work in the playoffs. Clutch and the like isnt a thing. Remember how ripped pacioretty was here for not being a playoff player. Somehow he magically became good in the playoffs when he left. A lot of this is small sample size making any natural hot/cold streaks amplified. Players have 4-5 games in a row in the regular season where they struggle. No one notices. But do that in playoffs, and these narratives appear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Laine to Habs for ...??? What would it likely require? Would there likely be many teams bidding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 17 minutes ago, DON said: Laine to Habs for ...??? What would it likely require? Would there likely be many teams bidding? There will certainly be others bidding. How much it requires will depend a lot on whether there is salary retention or not. Not sure what a fair offer is or what Columbus will be demanding. It's certainly one of those high risk/high reward type of trade scenarios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 As I mentioned in the other thread... with Pascal Vincent in the organization, the Habs have unique insight here. If they don't bid on Laine, or if they do place a bid, we will know they did their due diligence on this matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 7 hours ago, DON said: Laine to Habs for ...??? What would it likely require? Would there likely be many teams bidding? With his contract and injury history, I’d imagine he would be cheaper than what we think or will have a heavy conditional pick attachment for games played. i read the expected return is picks and prospects, but that was from a CBJ reporter on TSN radio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 10 hours ago, TurdBurglar said: With his contract and injury history, I’d imagine he would be cheaper than what we think or will have a heavy conditional pick attachment for games played. i read the expected return is picks and prospects, but that was from a CBJ reporter on TSN radio. OK, would a young-d like Harris-Barron fit? Or other teams (contenders) likely offer more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 2 minutes ago, DON said: OK, would a young-d like Harris-Barron fit? Or other teams (contenders) likely offer more? I would expect Hughes is throwing out names like Harris/Struble/Barron and some sort of pick while Winnipeg is more likely interested in a Mailloux. I think Hughes is very hesitant to trade Mailloux which I get. I am just guessing here. It's obviously not easy to make trades these days. All the rumours about Necas, Zegras, Marner and McGroarty on the block and not one of them has been traded. Maybe it's just the media creating hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 23 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I would expect Hughes is throwing out names like Harris/Struble/Barron and some sort of pick while Winnipeg is more likely interested in a Mailloux. I think Hughes is very hesitant to trade Mailloux which I get. I am just guessing here. It's obviously not easy to make trades these days. All the rumours about Necas, Zegras, Marner and McGroarty on the block and not one of them has been traded. Maybe it's just the media creating hype. I believe he is talking about Laine, not McGroarty. 32 minutes ago, DON said: OK, would a young-d like Harris-Barron fit? Or other teams (contenders) likely offer more? If I were to venture a guess, purely a guess, I would say either; A combination of Harris/Struble/Barron/non-NHL prospect and a 2nd or later pick or 2 OR One of Harris/Struble/Barron/non-NHL prospect with a 2nd-5th next year that gets upgraded to a 1st if Laine meets a games played threshold of something like 50-60 games next season. I'm not sure if these conditional picks could span multiple years or not by the CBA, like a 2026 1st if he plays 120 games in the last 2 years of his contract. I'm sure someone with better CBA knowledge could clarify that. I believe a contending team would require CBJ to retain salary on Laine. It would be difficult to justify using $8.7m cap space on a player they don't know if they can get a full season out of, or if you're Vegas it might be what you're looking for. With retention, CBJ could get a lot more, but I haven't read anything so far that says they have an appetite to do so. The above guesses are assuming there's no retention and doesn't rule out someone like Beck being added, even though I think Beck would be an over-payment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 You are right, Laine not McGroaty. I would give up way less for Laine especially if there is no salary retention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Saw Snuggerud mentioned (grain of salt, by Pierre McGuire) as trade target for Habs, if St Louis might want a cheap young d-man to partially fill in for Krug. Not a clue how high on Blues prospect list he is, likely near the top i assume, but not as good a prospect as McGroarty? (say Xhekaj & a 2nd pick?) Realistic, or worthwhile kid to go after? *Wheeler has them pretty equal. Top 100 drafted NHL prospects ranking: Celebrini, Michkov lead Wheeler’s summer 2024 list - The Athletic (nytimes.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 Stole this from rumour thread. "How about one of Harris/Struble/Barron, a 2nd round and 3rd round pick and Columbus retains 40%? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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