BCHabnut Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 4 hours ago, Commandant said: Well, Nashville may be unexpectedly clearing 4million in cap space tomorrow (via the Ryan Johansen material breach termination, they have retained 50%). Askarov to Montreal. Josh Anderson and Calgary 1st round pick to Nashville. Yes please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 9 hours ago, Commandant said: Well, Nashville may be unexpectedly clearing 4million in cap space tomorrow (via the Ryan Johansen material breach termination, they have retained 50%). Askarov to Montreal. Josh Anderson and Calgary 1st round pick to Nashville. Suspect it might take more ... but I'd do it in a split second! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 For the record that offer was very tongue in cheek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 6 minutes ago, Commandant said: For the record that offer was very tongue in cheek. I'd still do it in a split second ... 😉 😁 😈 I think Askorov's ceiling exceeds both Montembeault and Primeau, and Fowler is 3-4 years away. But it would undoubtedly be pricey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 57 minutes ago, Commandant said: For the record that offer was very tongue in cheek. Maybe Gallagher instead of Anderson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 10 hours ago, Commandant said: Well, Nashville may be unexpectedly clearing 4million in cap space tomorrow (via the Ryan Johansen material breach termination, they have retained 50%). Askarov to Montreal. Josh Anderson and Calgary 1st round pick to Nashville. With all of Monty Primeau Dobes Fowler and a rumored stud in Russia part of the system, Not to sure Askarov is the right play unless a goalie is going the other way. For the record, I would not be against upgrading the net at all and Askarov for all I seen is a significant upgrade to all our options except for maybe Fowler. His numbers in the AHL LY were nothing special either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 4 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: With all of Monty Primeau Dobes Fowler and a rumored studio Russiain the system nit sure Askarov is the rightplay unless a goalie is going the otherway. For the record I would not be against upgrading the net . As I said it was a tongue in cheek offer. If I make a realistic one, Primeau has to either go to Nashville, or be dealt elsewhere as part of another move. Askarov for Primeau, Barron (or Mailloux), and the Calgary 1st. or something like Mailloux and Calgary 1st.... and then Primeau traded in a separate deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 1 minute ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: With all of Monty Primeau Dobes Fowler and a rumored studio Russiain the system nit sure Askarov is the rightplay unless a goalie is going the otherway. For the record I would not be against upgrading the net . Primeau… Nashville is up against the cap. Not sure they can be taking on salary at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 11 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think Hughes likely went hard after McGroaty, didn't work out and pivoted to Laine. I don't see McGroaty coming to Montreal now. With Price on LTIR, they will be under the cap. I don't see any more big moves in the short term but could be dead wrong. Considering Hughes in his interviewMonday stated he believes he will likely get the Habs under the CAP before the season starts with Price on the books and not on LTIR. That means another deal is on the horizon. If we consider the dollars coming off rhe books next year with UFAs and all the draft capital and assets in the cupboard. Another big splash could definitely be in the cards. Especially with us giving up no assets in the Laine deal. Harris for a 2nd was to open a definitive roster spot for Lane Hutson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 7 minutes ago, Commandant said: As I said it was a tongue in cheek offer. If I make a realistic one, Primeau has to either go to Nashville, or be dealt elsewhere as part of another move. Askarov for Primeau, Barron (or Mailloux), and the Calgary 1st. or something like Mailloux and Calgary 1st.... and then Primeau traded in a separate deal. I'm not sure I'm interested in moving Mailloux. I see his future o the right side of D. Barron is the guy I'd be moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 4 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: I'm not sure I'm interested in moving Mailloux. I see his future o the right side of D. Barron is the guy I'd be moving. Yes, but would Nashville be interested in Barron. Obviously he's the lower value, but I think we are talking the best goalie prospect in the world. We are talking a level of goalie prospect the Habs haven't had since Carey Price was that age. This isn't to say that Askarov will reach his ceiling and become the next Carey Price or mirror his career, but it is to say that's the ceiling here. I think there is a level of pain that will be part of getting such a prospect. He doesn't have the burden of a huge contract making him negative value like the Laine move. He's gonna be on an ELC for another year, and then have RFA rights, so the price is gonna be high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 20 minutes ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: Considering Hughes in his interviewMonday stated he believes he will likely get the Habs under the CAP before the season starts with Price on the books and not on LTIR. That means another deal is on the horizon. I did not hear that part of the interview. That would mean another deal on the horizon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 That has to mean someone with a significant cap hit. Possibilities are (from most to least likely IMO) Savard Armia Anderson Dvorak Mattheson Gallagher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted August 21 Author Share Posted August 21 11 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think Hughes likely went hard after McGroaty, didn't work out and pivoted to Laine. I don't see McGroaty coming to Montreal now. With Price on LTIR, they will be under the cap. They won't be under the cap with Price. A player on LTIR stays on the cap in full, it just allows the team to spend past the cap. In doing so, they can't accrue cap space and thus finish over the cap, triggering the bonus carryover charges. 11 hours ago, Commandant said: Well, Nashville may be unexpectedly clearing 4million in cap space tomorrow (via the Ryan Johansen material breach termination, they have retained 50%). Notwithstanding the tongue-in-cheek proposal, with Johansen's camp already indicating they intend to grieve it, Nashville can't really spend any of that in case it's deemed that the grievance was illegal and the cap charge is retroactively applied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 47 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I did not hear that part of the interview. That would mean another deal on the horizon. Nor did I, but admittedly only caught 1/2 of the interview. Seems it'd be more prevalent in media articles if true. The media loves to speculate about future moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 1 hour ago, Commandant said: That has to mean someone with a significant cap hit. Possibilities are (from most to least likely IMO) Savard Armia Anderson Dvorak Mattheson Gallagher I can see Savard being in demand but I can’t see it until the deadline. Unless the plan is to bring Reinbacker up already. Armia and Dvorak have one year left and teams that need depth could certainly be interested in either one. Anderson/Gallagher are likely no easy to move so I can’t see it. Matheson is too important to trade I can see Dvorak being the guy out with Newhook as third line centre Interesting times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 1 hour ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: I'm not sure I'm interested in moving Mailloux. I see his future o the right side of D. Barron is the guy I'd be moving. I am also reluctant to trade Mailloux, would have to be for something really good. I see him being an excellent power play quarterback, his shooting skills are elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted August 21 Author Share Posted August 21 2 hours ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: Considering Hughes in his interviewMonday stated he believes he will likely get the Habs under the CAP before the season starts with Price on the books and not on LTIR. That means another deal is on the horizon. They can probably get there by papering Xhekaj and someone else to Laval for season-opening roster submission, LTIR'ing Harvey-Pinard on Day 1, and then LTIR'ing Price. That's the technical pathway to having Price 'on the roster' to start the season. I didn't interpret Hughes' yes to a question as meaning that he has another trade coming, he just answered the question of can they be cap-compliant to start the season with Price 'on the roster'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 18 minutes ago, dlbalr said: They can probably get there by papering Xhekaj and someone else to Laval for season-opening roster submission, LTIR'ing Harvey-Pinard on Day 1, and then LTIR'ing Price. That's the technical pathway to having Price 'on the roster' to start the season. I didn't interpret Hughes' yes to a question as meaning that he has another trade coming, he just answered the question of can they be cap-compliant to start the season with Price 'on the roster'. But "technical pathways" are so boring .... and training camp is still weeks away. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 59 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I can see Savard being in demand but I can’t see it until the deadline. Unless the plan is to bring Reinbacker up already. Armia and Dvorak have one year left and teams that need depth could certainly be interested in either one. Anderson/Gallagher are likely no easy to move so I can’t see it. Matheson is too important to trade I can see Dvorak being the guy out with Newhook as third line centre Interesting times Dvorak's contract is so high and he's done so little, that I'm not sure a team that needs depth couldn't just find some free agent on a 1 year deal or even try a PTO before trading for him, that's why he's lower on my list. Savard, Armia, are likely the easy to move ones and that's why their my top 2. The others I agree with what you are saying, that's why they are lower on my list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 2 hours ago, dlbalr said: They won't be under the cap with Price. A player on LTIR stays on the cap in full, it just allows the team to spend past the cap. In doing so, they can't accrue cap space and thus finish over the cap, triggering the bonus carryover charges. That makes sense, thanks for clarifying. I can see why not having Price on LTIR is advantageous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Puck Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 57 minutes ago, dlbalr said: They can probably get there by papering Xhekaj and someone else to Laval for season-opening roster submission, LTIR'ing Harvey-Pinard on Day 1, and then LTIR'ing Price. That's the technical pathway to having Price 'on the roster' to start the season. I didn't interpret Hughes' yes to a question as meaning that he has another trade coming, he just answered the question of can they be cap-compliant to start the season with Price 'on the roster'. This my interpretation. With Price and RHP on LTIR we are 2 million over the cap. We just paper Xhekaj and someone else down the day the season opening rosters are due to get under the cap without using LTIR. It seems to me that we probably forced CBJ to take Harris for a 2nd round pick in order to allow this to happen. Unless some irresistible deal becomes available, I expect Hughes to stand pat until after opening day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 5 hours ago, Commandant said: That has to mean someone with a significant cap hit. Possibilities are (from most to least likely IMO) Savard Armia Anderson Dvorak Mattheson Gallagher If 6 of those seven were gone I'd be a very happy man! It would take. I'd want a lot more back to move the 7th - Matheson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 20 hours ago, Commandant said: Askarov for Primeau, Barron (or Mailloux), and the Calgary 1st. I kid you not, this is literally the exact same trade that I came up with as well, I think it makes sense for both teams. Nashville can't really take on much salary and are all in this year, so they will likely be looking to add cheap roster players and/or replenish draft picks to possibly use to make a trade at the deadline. For Montreal, it's simply a case of utilizing the abundance of assets to upgrade at a critical position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 16 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: If 6 of those seven were gone I'd be a very happy man! It would take. I'd want a lot more back to move the 7th - Matheson. My suggestion is not that they are all moved. Its that one of them could be moved. I dont think its realistic that they would all be able to be dealt. And the order was from most likely to least likely to be out the door in my opinion. Thats assuming anyone is moved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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