Butterface Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 (edited) What would it take to get K’Andre Miller out of NYR ? They are in a short window to win.. Edited September 25 by Butterface Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 Miller is a big part of that window to win for them. It wouldnt be cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 (edited) I want to keep Kapanen. Seems Dvorak is best left for a deadline trade. Kings looking for options at center. Evans to Kings for a 3rd or fourth rounder… pref in 2026.. but take 2025. Kings would need to bury 500,000 in cap somewhere on their own. Other option is to send Kapanen back to Europe for a year… Should we show our prospects that the team is fair to players playing themselves into the line up or keep the team intact until trade deadline ? Edited September 25 by Butterface Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 This team is lacking in defensive structure, system wise. Dvorak and Evans are both experienced 2 way centres. If Kapanen happens to play himself into the lineup, I would not be too hasty to trade dvorak or Evans, without knowing what kapanen can handle. I want to start winning. In order to do that, I feel like the team needs a couple things. Better team defense and a better power play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 21 minutes ago, BCHabnut said: This team is lacking in defensive structure, system wise. Dvorak and Evans are both experienced 2 way centres. If Kapanen happens to play himself into the lineup, I would not be too hasty to trade dvorak or Evans, without knowing what kapanen can handle. I want to start winning. In order to do that, I feel like the team needs a couple things. Better team defense and a better power play. Dvorak and Evans are on an expiring contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 23 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: Dvorak and Evans are on an expiring contracts. And unlikely to be extended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 10 minutes ago, GHT120 said: And unlikely to be extended And if we are not in the playoffs are likely to be shopped at the deadline. And at that point the question will be, where is the best place to use the retention slot. I don't think Dvorak gets traded without retention or taking back a bad contract. So Savard is tradeable without retention..... but is worth more with it. Evans has a cheap enough contract he wont need retention and I don't think it would make as big a difference to him as Savard. Armia will depend on his season. If he plays like last year, he's tradeable without retention. If he's back to the 5-8 goal scorer, he will need retention. Even if he's good, like Savard Retention could up his price. Dvorak likely to need retention unless he really surprises us. That retention spot has value, no matter where you use it. For example Savard with retention might get you more assets than Savard without and Dvorak with retention. In that case you might just end up keeping Dvorak. But all of this is a reason to wait unless someone is giving a crazy deal now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 I think the best short-term option, assuming Kapanen continues to impress, is platooning 3C/4C, with one centre sitting out each game. If someone makes a good enough offer for Evans (or Dvorak!) and Kapanen is still solid, then you pull the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 4 hours ago, Commandant said: And if we are not in the playoffs are likely to be shopped at the deadline. And at that point the question will be, where is the best place to use the retention slot. And that is the big question. Where will they get their biggest bang for the buck with the retention slot? I think you have to determine where they have the best chance of getting a 1st round pick coming back. I think Savard at 50% retention has the best chance of getting a 1st round pick coming back as teams are usually looking for a dependable tough physical defensemen come playoff time. Of course every year the market is different so who really knows. This is assuming of course the Habs are out of a playoff spot when the trade deadline hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 16 hours ago, TurdBurglar said: Dvorak and Evans are on an expiring contracts. Understood. They still have one year though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 (edited) This apparently was the trade: https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/major_trade_discussed_between_montreal_and_nashville_craig_button_reveals_a_new_piece_of_information/s1_17452_40957751 To Montreal - Yaroslav Askarov To Nashville - Owen Beck + Jacob Fowler Would you have made this trade? Edited September 26 by Butterface Url Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 1 hour ago, Butterface said: This apparently was the trade: https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/major_trade_discussed_between_montreal_and_nashville_craig_button_reveals_a_new_piece_of_information/s1_17452_40957751 To Montreal - Yaroslav Askarov To Nashville - Owen Beck + Jacob Fowler Would you have made this trade? I dont know much about the russian goalie, but Yes i think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 4 minutes ago, DON said: I dont know much about the russian goalie, but Yes i think so. Assuming that this was indeed the Nashville offer, I assume that Hughes thinks (based on the Habs' scouting data) that Fowler can be better than Askarov and that's why he was unwilling to make the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 1 minute ago, tomh009 said: Assuming that this was indeed the Nashville offer, I assume that Hughes thinks (based on the Habs' scouting data) that Fowler can be better than Askarov and that's why he was unwilling to make the trade. OR ... he highly values Beck ... OR ... both ... OR ... he thought he could negotiate Nashville down or get something added form their side ... but then SJS beat him to the punch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 I would have done that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 I would not have done that deal…. I want to keep our centers… Goalie for goalie I would have had a think about it… Beck I’m hoping will turn into a Guy Carbonneau… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Goalie for goalie, I like fowler, but Askarov is a different level of prospect. As for Beck being Carbonneau, lets not crown him as a 3 time Selke winner and Hall of Famer, and one of the best defensive forwards of all time. I like him as a prospect but he's still a 20 year old kid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 29 minutes ago, Butterface said: I would not have done that deal…. I want to keep our centers… Goalie for goalie I would have had a think about it… Beck I’m hoping will turn into a Guy Carbonneau… As a rule, if a trade is (or is close to) fair you have to think twice about whether you want your team to make it ... unless you are trading with Mike Milbury, then just say yes. BTW - if the "ask" by the other team is ridiculous you usually don't have to think even once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 36 minutes ago, Commandant said: As for Beck being Carbonneau, lets not crown him as a 3 time Selke winner and Hall of Famer, and one of the best defensive forwards of all time. I like him as a prospect but he's still a 20 year old kid. Crown him ? I said I was hoping. Not that he is Guy incarnated. i don’t know if you are just trying to create comments or trolling… mostly trolling I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 19 minutes ago, Butterface said: Crown him ? I said I was hoping. Not that he is Guy incarnated. i don’t know if you are just trying to create comments or trolling… mostly trolling I think. In your "vast" experience since last Tuesday? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 1 hour ago, Butterface said: Crown him ? I said I was hoping. Not that he is Guy incarnated. i don’t know if you are just trying to create comments or trolling… mostly trolling I think. Not trolling, just being realistic and setting realistic expectations for prospects is important. Expectation minus reality equals level of disappointment. Overhyping a prospect leads to being disappointed if Beck becomes a good third liner and not a multiple selke winning, HOF candidate, and then running him out of town five years from now cause we miss how good he is cause we wanted more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 2 hours ago, Commandant said: Goalie for goalie, I like fowler, but Askarov is a different level of prospect. It seems that way, yes. But Hughes has more scouting data than we do, so he may have had valid reasons for not taking this. (Assuming this indeed was offered to him.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 8 minutes ago, tomh009 said: It seems that way, yes. But Hughes has more scouting data than we do, so he may have had valid reasons for not taking this. (Assuming this indeed was offered to him.) Or that Trotz didn't just prefer the SJS offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 6 hours ago, Butterface said: This apparently was the trade: https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/major_trade_discussed_between_montreal_and_nashville_craig_button_reveals_a_new_piece_of_information/s1_17452_40957751 To Montreal - Yaroslav Askarov To Nashville - Owen Beck + Jacob Fowler Would you have made this trade? I guess I would not make that trade BUT all I know about Askarov is what I have read about him plus I am a big fan of Beck. Having said that, if you think Askarov will be a franchise goalie then you make that trade all day long but that can be a tough determination to make. It might turn into a wonderful trade for the Sharks or might not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 9 hours ago, GHT120 said: In your "vast" experience since last Tuesday? Yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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