DON Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 5 hours ago, Butterface said: Doughty is out for a bit. They are looking for centre depth. Let’s work the phone. Give them some help in both places if they take sh!t contract off our books. Go get them Kent ! Habs only have the 4 centres dont they? Beck/Kapanen not realistic or smart options to start season. But maybe Evans or Dvorak could be expendable i suppose and use Newhook? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 5 hours ago, Butterface said: Doughty is out for a bit. They are looking for centre depth. Let’s work the phone. Give them some help in both places if they take sh!t contract off our books. Go get them Kent ! Doughty will be back this season, so I don't think LA would be too willing to replace him and have to deal with being over the cap when Doughty returns. That being said, their remaining cap about $1.5m in cap will likely be used for a center and a fairly cheap on at that. Evans is the only one on the roster I could see LA being interested in from a pure cap perspective. 44 minutes ago, DON said: Habs only have the 4 centres dont they? Beck/Kapanen not realistic or smart options to start season. But maybe Evans or Dvorak could be expendable i suppose and use Newhook? With Newhook, 5 centers on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 This article says most of season… https://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/kings/story/2024-09-27/kings-defenseman-drew-doughty-needs-surgery-for-broken-left-ankle-and-will-miss-most-of-season Looks like they moved the Australian up to first pairing. Spence. I think they could be open to things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 1 minute ago, Butterface said: This article says most of season… https://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/kings/story/2024-09-27/kings-defenseman-drew-doughty-needs-surgery-for-broken-left-ankle-and-will-miss-most-of-season Looks like they moved the Australian up to first pairing. Spence. I think they could be open to things. I would be THRILLED if they highly valued Dvorak as their solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 (edited) We have 5 centres who could play in bottom 2 spots …Newhook, Dvorak, Kapanen, Beck, Evans. We can part with one easily. We could give up Barron on the right side. take a bad contract of theirs that expires before Anderson…give them Anderson …. I’d have to look at their line up… maybe no one fits that bill. Edited September 28, 2024 by Butterface More added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 49 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: Doughty will be back this season, so I don't think LA would be too willing to replace him and have to deal with being over the cap when Doughty returns. That being said, their remaining cap about $1.5m in cap will likely be used for a center and a fairly cheap on at that. Evans is the only one on the roster I could see LA being interested in from a pure cap perspective. With Newhook, 5 centers on the roster. I definitely agree about Evans. He is a UFA at the end of this year and with Beck and Kapanen knocking on the door plus perhaps Hage in a couple years, I just don't see them resigning Evans. I could see them trading Evans if the right deal came along or perhaps waiting until the trade deadline when they might get more value. I have always really liked Evans but I think his time in Montreal is winding down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 5 minutes ago, Butterface said: This article says most of season… https://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/kings/story/2024-09-27/kings-defenseman-drew-doughty-needs-surgery-for-broken-left-ankle-and-will-miss-most-of-season Looks like they moved the Australian up to first pairing. Spence. I think they could be open to things. That's a big blow for the Kings in a very competitive Pacific Conference and it frees up a lot of cap room as he will likely be on LTIR. I would think they will definitely be open to things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 3 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: That's a big blow for the Kings in a very competitive Pacific Conference and it frees up a lot of cap room as he will likely be on LTIR. I would think they will definitely be open to things. If it is only "most of the season" then LTIR is an issue ... they need to be able to be cap-compliant [i.e., move out a contract(s)] when Doughty comes off LTIR and his full cap-hit goes back on the cap ... that is difficult to do if he returns after the trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 Newhook is playing top 6. The kings have better options out there than dvorak, and i still dont think hes even tradeable without retention. If someone wants him and we dont have to retain, by all means but I dont see that happening. Evans has more value at the deadline than now but if someone overpays now. Sure. Future Carbonneau might need some AHL time. Hes straight from junior. This is again where i say lets have some realistic expectations for a 20 year old and not throw him in the deep end. Kapanen looked great one game and good his second game. Its two games and the vets are going 70% speed and effort at best. Hes earned more looks in camp but people are rushing to say he's NHL ready based on a couple preseason games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 28 minutes ago, GHT120 said: If it is only "most of the season" then LTIR is an issue ... they need to be able to be cap-compliant [i.e., move out a contract(s)] when Doughty comes off LTIR and his full cap-hit goes back on the cap ... that is difficult to do if he returns after the trade deadline. Perhaps, but they can always be creative (ie. Tampa and Vegas). There is no way they will do nothing with the cap space especially if they see themselves falling out of the playoff race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 28 minutes ago, Commandant said: Newhook is playing top 6. The kings have better options out there than dvorak, and i still dont think hes even tradeable without retention. If someone wants him and we dont have to retain, by all means but I dont see that happening. Evans has more value at the deadline than now but if someone overpays now. Sure. Future Carbonneau might need some AHL time. Hes straight from junior. This is again where i say lets have some realistic expectations for a 20 year old and not throw him in the deep end. Kapanen looked great one game and good his second game. Its two games and the vets are going 70% speed and effort at best. Hes earned more looks in camp but people are rushing to say he's NHL ready based on a couple preseason games. Agree about Dvorak, he is not going anywhere until at least the deadline and quite likely not even then. Kapanen is 21 and has been playing against men the last couple years, had a terrific playoff last year. I think he is very close to being ready. A year in the AHL is probably good for Beck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 (edited) 40 minutes ago, GHT120 said: 46 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: If it is only "most of the season" then LTIR is an issue ... they need to be able to be cap-compliant [i.e., move out a contract(s)] when Doughty comes off LTIR and his full cap-hit goes back on the cap ... that is difficult to do if he returns after the trade deadline. Or L.A. could pull the old Tampa Bay Lightening trick and milk it to bypass the cap… call it a “rehab setback”… I love how Pacioretty’s number is a constant F.U. to Leaf fans as he skates around the ice. A constant reminder of 57 years of futility. Enjoy wearing that shirt with pride Max. Flaunt the 67 all you want…. Maybe you’ll show up in the playoffs for them. You didn’t for us. Edited September 28, 2024 by Butterface I really should proof read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 The difference is that Tampa was never in danger of missing the playoffs. Before winning the cup, vegas missed the playoffs as a bubble team with Stone on IR. There is a chance of leaving a player on IR backfiring if you are a bubble team and LA is likely to be a bubble team. They will need a guy like Doughty far more.than wasting his cap space on a dvorak or anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 26 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Agree about Dvorak, he is not going anywhere until at least the deadline and quite likely not even then. Kapanen is 21 and has been playing against men the last couple years, had a terrific playoff last year. I think he is very close to being ready. A year in the AHL is probably good for Beck. Sure. Kapanen might be ready. I want to see some more games from him before being 100% sure and trading a guy like Evans to make sure. Heck, if he plays well and makes the team Id waive Dvorak to put him on the roster before cutting Evans. Rookie development isnt linear. Weve seen plenty of players impress at first and then take a step back and need more time. I wouldnt deplete the depth assuming he will be the same in game 40 as he is in game 2 of preseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 7 minutes ago, Commandant said: There is a chance of leaving a player on IR backfiring if you are a bubble team and LA is likely to be a bubble team. They will need a guy like Doughty far more.than wasting his cap space on a dvorak or anderson. It could definitely backfire if they do nothing and I expect LA to be a bubble team especially without Doughty. I don't think anyone here is seriously suggesting LA is looking at Dvorak or Anderson as a possible solution. I don't think Anderson was mentioned at all until you brought up his name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 1 hour ago, Butterface said: We have 5 centres who could play in bottom 2 spots …Newhook, Dvorak, Kapanen, Beck, Evans. We can part with one easily. We could give up Barron on the right side. take a bad contract of theirs that expires before Anderson…give them Anderson …. I’d have to look at their line up… maybe no one fits that bill. Anderson was mentioned here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 15 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: It could definitely backfire if they do nothing and I expect LA to be a bubble team especially without Doughty. I don't think anyone here is seriously suggesting LA is looking at Dvorak or Anderson as a possible solution. I don't think Anderson was mentioned at all until you brought up his name. @Butterface brought it up in a bad contract for bad contract swap scenario. Not sure where the idea of Anderson being a solution for Doughty being injured came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 6 minutes ago, Commandant said: Anderson was mentioned here Ok, missed that, don't think LA is interested in Anderson. I just think LA will have to do something. It might not be with Montreal and it might not be right away but missing the playoffs is not an option especially with the careers of Doughty and Kopitar winding down. I think they are in win now mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 2 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: @Butterface brought it up in a bad contract for bad contract swap scenario. Not sure where the idea of Anderson being a solution for Doughty being injured came from. Fair enough, the only way Montreal gets rid of Anderson is a bad contract for bad contract scenario or by adding a sweetener. The Habs have no cap issues at the present time so there is no rush here. Best case scenario is that Anderson recovers this year and then the cost to move him diminishes somewhat especially with only 2 years left on his contract after this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Perhaps, but they can always be creative (ie. Tampa and Vegas). There is no way they will do nothing with the cap space especially if they see themselves falling out of the playoff race. Those were with players expected to be out for the season who managed to start skating a week or two before the playoffs and re-joined the team in the post-season ... from the LA Times article previously cited: "Coach Jim Hiller said Friday the injury is not season-ending". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: It could definitely backfire if they do nothing and I expect LA to be a bubble team especially without Doughty. I don't think anyone here is seriously suggesting LA is looking at Dvorak or Anderson as a possible solution. I don't think Anderson was mentioned at all until you brought up his name. I mentioned Anderson. LA could trade for a cheap Barron and a cheap Evans. (Not much cap space added) We would do this ONLY if they took on Anderson in exchange for an LA player with a big inflated albatross contract, but with less term than Anderson. Therefore we get relief earlier from the difference in term from Anderson contract and the LA players contract. Doughty could return without too much asset shifting for LA. LA gets added depth at centre and a young right shot dman. Exchanged an expensive contract for Anderson with one of their expensive contracts…. just with less term. This is just completely spitballing which I assume is allowed based on the title of this tread. I have not looked to see if LA has a player with similar contract purgatory dollars and less term than Anderson. There would obviously be draft picks exchanged back and forth to equal out any disparities. This type of deal could also be a three way… which I have always enjoyed. and by that to clarify… I mean three teams. Edited September 28, 2024 by Butterface I should proof read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 3 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Those were with players expected to be out for the season who managed to start skating a week or two before the playoffs and re-joined the team in the post-season ... from the LA Times article previously cited: "Coach Jim Hiller said Friday the injury is not season-ending". It might not be season ending but the Kings will do something creative as they can't afford to miss the playoffs. I think you are being a little naive about the Kucherov situation in Tampa, amazing how he got to be 100% just in time for the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 21 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Fair enough, the only way Montreal gets rid of Anderson is a bad contract for bad contract scenario or by adding a sweetener. The Habs have no cap issues at the present time so there is no rush here. Best case scenario is that Anderson recovers this year and then the cost to move him diminishes somewhat especially with only 2 years left on his contract after this year. I agree… no big rush….. BUT it’s the loss of opportunity to use the money in the mean time by weaponizing the cap space to take on expiring bad contracts at deadline, or to sign a younger player with more upside that you couldn’t do with Anderson still on the books…. so if Anderson is not going to be a part of our future beyond 26-27, dump if you can. The same goes for Gallagher… part of the many reasons I soured on Bergevin. He gave lousy contracts and cracked under pressure of building a team.. (Dvorak, Gally, screwing Marky, Anderson, Alzner among others) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 1 hour ago, Butterface said: Or L.A. could pull the old Tampa Bay Lightening trick and milk it to bypass the cap… call it a “rehab setback”… The NHL "claims" they monitor the health of LTIR players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 28, 2024 Share Posted September 28, 2024 42 minutes ago, Butterface said: I agree… no big rush….. BUT it’s the loss of opportunity to use the money in the mean time by weaponizing the cap space to take on expiring bad contracts at deadline, or to sign a younger player with more upside that you couldn’t do with Anderson still on the books…. so if Anderson is not going to be a part of our future beyond 26-27, dump if you can. The same goes for Gallagher… part of the many reasons I soured on Bergevin. He gave lousy contracts and cracked under pressure of building a team.. (Dvorak, Gally, screwing Marky, Anderson, Alzner among others) We are "stuck" with Anderson and Gallagher unfortunately. The cost to dump them would be excessive so in my opinion the best thing to do is nothing, let the passage of time slowly erode the cost to get rid of them and hope they can be mildly productive in the near term. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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