dlbalr Posted September 28 Author Share Posted September 28 54 minutes ago, GHT120 said: The NHL "claims" they monitor the health of LTIR players. It's not just a claim. Players who are ruled out for the season are typically one-and-done for monitoring but in-season placements are scrutinized with the league sometimes having an independent doctor assess if they think there's something fishy going on. The Habs had to jump through several hoops with the league with Weber when they first said his playing days were done for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: We are "stuck" with Anderson and Gallagher unfortunately. The cost to dump them would be excessive so in my opinion the best thing to do is nothing, let the passage of time slowly erode the cost to get rid of them and hope they can be mildly productive in the near term. Most probably 😭…. But see what Kent does. Bergevin said, “you can’t just go out and get a top center, they don’t fall out of trees.” Before Kent even warmed up Mark’s seat he had traded for one and a half of them…albeit one keeps getting hurt and the half is playing wing. We will see how it goes this year with Dach. So far Kent Hughes has been steady Eddy at improving the future of the team. I would not put it past Hughes to sneak in a solid trade for Anderson. Gally will be tougher as he is a hometown hero… kid gloves are required. He is a city-wide treasure. Edited September 28 by Butterface I need to proof read more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 1 minute ago, Butterface said: We will see how it goes this year with Dach. So far Kent Hughes has be steady Eddy at improving the future of the team. I would not put it past Hughes to sneak in a solid trade for Anderson. Gally will be tougher as he is a hometown hero… kid gloves are required. He is a city-wide treasure. It's always possible that Hughes can pull a rabbit out of hat regarding Anderson or Gallagher but my expectations of that happening are low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 13 minutes ago, dlbalr said: The NHL "claims" they monitor the health of LTIR players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 47 minutes ago, Butterface said: Most probably 😭…. But see what Kent does. Bergevin said, “you can’t just go out and get a top center, they don’t fall out of trees.” Before Kent even warmed up Mark’s seat he had traded for one and a half of them…albeit one keeps getting hurt and the half is playing wing. We will see how it goes this year with Dach. So far Kent Hughes has been steady Eddy at improving the future of the team. I would not put it past Hughes to sneak in a solid trade for Anderson. Gally will be tougher as he is a hometown hero… kid gloves are required. He is a city-wide treasure. "Top" centre is doing a lot of work here. Dach right now needs to prove it. There is promise there but he needs to actually do it. Newhook is not a top centre, though he can play in top 6 as a winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 55 minutes ago, Butterface said: Before Kent even warmed up Mark’s seat he had traded for one and a half of them…albeit one keeps getting hurt and the half is playing wing. Newhook did quite well between Armia and and Gallagher in the latter part of the 2023-24 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 14 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Newhook did quite well between Armia and and Gallagher in the latter part of the 2023-24 season. At moment he’s a winger so I can’t give him a full score. But happy to make him .75 He may get to be a centre again … his versatility is only a positive going forward. Hoping … (I said hoping) our power play works tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 4 hours ago, Butterface said: Gally will be tougher as he is a hometown hero… kid gloves are required. He is a city-wide treasure. He’s from British Columbia. I don’t feel that way about Gally, TBH. His departure would mark the end of an era for sure, but I think most Montreal fans - while respectful of his contributions over the years - recognize that he is massively overpaid and over the hill. I think we’ll be somewhat sad to see him go on a human level but not sad at all in hockey terms. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 5 hours ago, Butterface said: Gally will be tougher as he is a hometown hero… kid gloves are required. He is a city-wide treasure. 😮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 5 hours ago, Butterface said: Most probably 😭…. But see what Kent does. Bergevin said, “you can’t just go out and get a top center, they don’t fall out of trees.” Before Kent even warmed up Mark’s seat he had traded for one and a half of them…albeit one keeps getting hurt and the half is playing wing. We will see how it goes this year with Dach. So far Kent Hughes has been steady Eddy at improving the future of the team. I would not put it past Hughes to sneak in a solid trade for Anderson. Gally will be tougher as he is a hometown hero… kid gloves are required. He is a city-wide treasure. Hey MB is in LA, so who knows, maybe he may be a supporter for bringing in Gallagher or Anderson. I hate to give up on Barron just yet, but would it addition by subtraction if we could move either Anderson or Gallagher packaged with Barron for a third to LA??? They get a much needed RHD, we unload one of our lousy long term contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 4 hours ago, Commandant said: "Top" centre is doing a lot of work here. Dach right now needs to prove it. There is promise there but he needs to actually do it. Newhook is not a top centre, though he can play in top 6 as a winger. In any event Hughes has upgraded the centre position significantly faster than MB was able to. Heck the one top line calibre centre he did bring in was not even the guy he wanted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 1 minute ago, hab29RETIRED said: In any event Hughes has upgraded the centre position significantly faster than MB was able to. Heck the one top line calibre centre he did bring in was not even the guy he wanted! I like Hughes a lot better, but Hughes has not acquired a TOP centre. The jury is still out on Dach. MB always had depth centres, but couldn't get the number 1 we needed til it was too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 11 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: ... but would it addition by subtraction if we could move either Anderson or Gallagher packaged with Barron for a third to LA??? I'd do it for a 7th ... or "Future considerations" (i.e., Blakes buys Hughes a steak dinner at the next GMs meeting). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 13 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: In any event Hughes has upgraded the centre position significantly faster than MB was able to. Heck the one top line calibre centre he did bring in was not even the guy he wanted! Not sure I would agree with that yet. He did trade for Suzuki and Danault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 4 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Not sure I would agree with that yet. He did trade for Suzuki and Danault. Danault PLAYED first-line centre but was never, I-M-O, a TOP centre.... Suzuki has become one but was only a prospect when MB traded for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 3 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Danault PLAYED first-line centre but was never, I-M-O, a TOP centre.... Suzuki has become one but was only a prospect when MB traded for him. Yes but he still acquired them, likely got a little lucky with Suzuki's development. I know some people here don't want to give MB credit for anything but those were two excellent trades. Not too many teams are going to trade you a 1st line center that is already developed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 38 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Yes but he still acquired them, likely got a little lucky with Suzuki's development. I know some people here don't want to give MB credit for anything but those were two excellent trades. Not too many teams are going to trade you a 1st line center that is already developed. I always say MB was excellent at the trade table. If he hadn’t made that abortion of a trade with Drouin, his record in that respect would be quite impressive. It was, more or less, everything else that he sucked at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 3 hours ago, GHT120 said: Danault PLAYED first-line centre but was never, I-M-O, a TOP centre.... Suzuki has become one but was only a prospect when MB traded for him. Don't forget he wanted Glass, but Vegas didn't want to give him up and offered Suzuki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 Still had to agree to it. Easily could have said no if Vegas didn't want to give up Glass and shopped Pacioretty elsewhere. Some credit where it's due. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 I never pay much attention to rumours about a bad trade a GM “tried” and failed to make. They don’t count, any more than good trades that they tried and failed to make. What matters is the trades they DID make. MB made a lot of good ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 29 Author Share Posted September 29 If the Habs want to do something to try to stay competitive-ish while not giving up anything in terms of future assets, here is the framework of two trade ideas that might do that. 1) To NYI: C Jake Evans ($1.7M in 2024-25, UFA) To MTL: C Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($5M through 2025-26, UFA) plus an incentivizer for taking on the extra year. The Islanders are a team that needs to clear out money but their cap dump candidate is Pageau, not anyone on an expiring deal (I assume Palmieri is off the table). He's overpaid, but still serviceable in the bottom six and can kill penalties. He'd fill a useful role while allowing the Habs to move Dvorak, leading to #2. 2) To WPG: C Christian Dvorak ($4.45M in 2024-25, UFA) To MTL: LW Alex Iafallo ($4M in 2024-25, UFA) Iafallo effectively fills Laine's spot. Winnipeg never replaced Monahan in free agency so they're thin down the middle, making Dvorak a useful piece for them. With Montreal getting Pageau (who can still play 3C), it makes it easier to move out Dvorak with Kapanen back-filling into Evans' vacated roster spot. The Jets have enough cap space to take on the extra $450K without an issue. The end result is a little more than $3M in added cap space which means they'd be locking themselves into LTIR but with the injuries they have, it's probably going that way anyway. Iafallo could be a trade chip at the deadline if things went well while presumably, the incentive they get for taking on Pageau's deal gives them another future asset. Yes, it means taking on the extra year but for 2025-26, they'll have all three retention slots and might find a taker for him at $2.5M. (Or they can keep him, buy him out, etc.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 37 minutes ago, dlbalr said: If the Habs want to do something to try to stay competitive-ish while not giving up anything in terms of future assets, here is the framework of two trade ideas that might do that. 1) To NYI: C Jake Evans ($1.7M in 2024-25, UFA) To MTL: C Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($5M through 2025-26, UFA) plus an incentivizer for taking on the extra year. The Islanders are a team that needs to clear out money but their cap dump candidate is Pageau, not anyone on an expiring deal (I assume Palmieri is off the table). He's overpaid, but still serviceable in the bottom six and can kill penalties. He'd fill a useful role while allowing the Habs to move Dvorak, leading to #2. 2) To WPG: C Christian Dvorak ($4.45M in 2024-25, UFA) To MTL: LW Alex Iafallo ($4M in 2024-25, UFA) Iafallo effectively fills Laine's spot. Winnipeg never replaced Monahan in free agency so they're thin down the middle, making Dvorak a useful piece for them. With Montreal getting Pageau (who can still play 3C), it makes it easier to move out Dvorak with Kapanen back-filling into Evans' vacated roster spot. The Jets have enough cap space to take on the extra $450K without an issue. The end result is a little more than $3M in added cap space which means they'd be locking themselves into LTIR but with the injuries they have, it's probably going that way anyway. Iafallo could be a trade chip at the deadline if things went well while presumably, the incentive they get for taking on Pageau's deal gives them another future asset. Yes, it means taking on the extra year but for 2025-26, they'll have all three retention slots and might find a taker for him at $2.5M. (Or they can keep him, buy him out, etc.) I like that pair of deals, even if Laine wasn't out ... undoubtedly far more realistic than most names that are out there on ClickBait30 and comparable sites ... but not certain that it keeps the Habs in the chase to be in the mix if that is the objective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalhabs Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 Pageau is a potential 20-30 goals worth. 10-20 that he scores and 5-10 that he DOESNT score against us. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 32 minutes ago, Dalhabs said: Pageau is a potential 20-30 goals worth. 10-20 that he scores and 5-10 that he DOESNT score against us. 😁 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 Pageau is 31 and has never scored above 43 points (which he did in 2016). Id be fine if he only had one year left, but this trade seems to tie up money in 2025-26, which i don't want to do. The Laine injury hurts but I'm not willing to give up cap space in future years to get a third liner cause of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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