GNick Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Get a first for Evans. Davidson playing well in Laval. Replaces Evans next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 4 hours ago, GNick said: Get a first for Evans. Davidson playing well in Laval. Replaces Evans next season Davidson is Beck's winger. A 1st for Evans, really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 6 hours ago, GNick said: Get a first for Evans. Davidson playing well in Laval. Replaces Evans next season I have always liked Davidson's grit and attitude, just never thought his skating was good enough to be effective at the NHL level. He is having a good year though, nice to see. I think a 1st for Evans is a little optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 6 hours ago, GNick said: Get a first for Evans. Davidson playing well in Laval. Replaces Evans next season Davidson? I don't think he's an NHL player, never mind a replacement for the PKing and solid 5v5 minutes that Evans is giving. This would be a massive downgrade, and Davidson isn't even playing C in Laval. Also don't think you are getting a first for Evans. If we do, I'd trade him and sign a UFA as a replacement fourth line centre.... but Davidson is not the replacement, and I'm not interested in trading Evans for realistic value (a 3rd or 4th) and would rather just re-sign him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Evans is a player that i think Hughes should try to re sign for under 3. 2.25 to 2.75, 3 to 4 years. He's extremely spotty offensively, but for me he's the perfect 4th line centre for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 12 minutes ago, BCHabnut said: Evans is a player that i think Hughes should try to re sign for under 3. 2.25 to 2.75, 3 to 4 years. He's extremely spotty offensively, but for me he's the perfect 4th line centre for this team. I think most here think he is the perfect 4th line centre for this team. It all depends on how much you want to spend on a 4th line center? Once you get around the 3M/year mark, it starts to seem a little expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 44 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think most here think he is the perfect 4th line centre for this team. It all depends on how much you want to spend on a 4th line center? Once you get around the 3M/year mark, it starts to seem a little expensive. Even $2m is getting on the expensive side of a 4th line center, unless they have a niche quality, like faceoffs or penalty killing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 59 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: Even $2m is getting on the expensive side of a 4th line center, unless they have a niche quality, like faceoffs or penalty killing. It depends also on the salary cap continuing to go up. If it does then I am absolutely fine with spending 2-2.3 m/year on a 3 year contract. However if Evans has an excellent year then his value will go up and Hughes will have a decision to make as he is a UFA and has leverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 1 hour ago, TurdBurglar said: Even $2m is getting on the expensive side of a 4th line center, unless they have a niche quality, like faceoffs or penalty killing. He's a fantastic penalty killer. Arguably the best on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 2 hours ago, BCHabnut said: Evans is a player that i think Hughes should try to re sign for under 3. 2.25 to 2.75, 3 to 4 years. He's extremely spotty offensively, but for me he's the perfect 4th line centre for this team. I agree ... but if he gets to the 15-ish goals his pace suggests I doubt he settles for that ... and even if he ends up at his 8-9 goal "average" 82-game season, some team may be willing to offer more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 3 hours ago, BCHabnut said: Evans is a player that i think Hughes should try to re sign for under 3. 2.25 to 2.75, 3 to 4 years. He's extremely spotty offensively, but for me he's the perfect 4th line centre for this team. I think 4 years at 2.5m is what I'd try and offer early. To keep the cap hit down, I'd even be good with making it 5 yrs. You can never have too many centres - as a franchise we should no that better than almost any team in the league. It looked like we had a lot of centre depth to start the year, but most have struggled, all for different reasons. With Dach, it should have been expected that after a major surgery it was going to take time, but you would have expected him to have a goal to try and improve on the draw, as soon as he could start training again. Good players that are committed to being the best they can be address what they see as gaps. Crosby spent time to improve on faceoffs even when he was considered one of the top, if not the best player in the game. McDavid was racking up points, but set a goal to score more. That's what's disappointing me with Dach. He showed he can dominate and should how he can control the play at the start of last year. After his surgery, I expected it to take time, but didn't he even make an attempt to improve on faceoffs over the summer??? Newhook looks lost out there and hasn't meshed with Dach, or really anyone. Right now Dach (2nd line) and Newhook (3rd line) both look destined to be wingers. Kapanan had a great camp - but it was when veterans are not really playing hard. He looks over matched and not ready. Hopefully, he will be an option along with Beck. Neither are guaranteed to be solid 3rd line centres, and I doubt if they can be legit 2nd line centres on a dominant team. Dvorak- well I've made my views clear about him since we traded for him and he's even managed to exceed my expectation of how bad I thought that deal Woo's going to be. Waive him already!!! Hage looks promising as a potential 2nd line centres, but it's not a sure thing. with Evans we know what we have. Solid 4th line centre, that is responsible enough to slide up if needed. Solid penalty killer. Sign him!!! We have a lot of young prospects on the team, in Laval or junior/college. We can't keep them all. And we don't know who will teach or exceed expectations. In the meantime let's keep the guys that actually play hard and ca be part of the pieces needed on a contending team. If someone comes in and proves to be better, we can move them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 2 hours ago, TurdBurglar said: Even $2m is getting on the expensive side of a 4th line center, unless they have a niche quality, like faceoffs or penalty killing. $2m is not too much for a solid centre. It's more than I wanted to pay Armia when we signed him, but he was a winger and was never a consistent o player. You have to pay more for centres, and I have no problem paying that much for a guy who works his tail off. I do have issue with spending $13.5m on bums like Dvorak, Armia and Anderson, or the $6.5m we are paying Gallagher. That's $20m for 4 third and fourth liners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 30 minutes ago, GHT120 said: I agree ... but if he gets to the 15-ish goals his pace suggests I doubt he settles for that ... and even if he ends up at his 8-9 goal "average" 82-game season, some team may be willing to offer more. That's why you try and lock him up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 46 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: That's why you try and lock him up now. He is smart enough to know this is his first (maybe only) chance to "cash-in" ... he knows there will always be a market for a 4C that can kill penalties and win faceoffs; maybe 3C on some teams ... doubt he extends unless it is a contract ($$ and yrs) most fans don't want to give ... I am resigned to him not re-signing ... only question in my mind is whether or not to trade him at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 11 minutes ago, GHT120 said: He is smart enough to know this is his first (maybe only) chance to "cash-in" ... he knows there will always be a market for a 4C that can kill penalties and win faceoffs; maybe 3C on some teams ... doubt he extends unless it is a contract ($$ and yrs) most fans don't want to give ... I am resigned to him not re-signing ... only question in my mind is whether or not to trade him at the deadline. I agree, Evans is 28, an intelligent guy and has a history of concussions. I think he realizes that he is unlikely to play until he is 36 so this is his best opportunity to cash in. From all indications he likes Montreal so there may be a slight hometown discount but I think money will be a very important factor in his decision. Can't blame him for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 18 minutes ago, GHT120 said: He is smart enough to know this is his first (maybe only) chance to "cash-in" ... he knows there will always be a market for a 4C that can kill penalties and win faceoffs; maybe 3C on some teams ... doubt he extends unless it is a contract ($$ and yrs) most fans don't want to give ... I am resigned to him not re-signing ... only question in my mind is whether or not to trade him at the deadline. I don't see too many teams that are going to give term AND $, unless they think he is a solid 3rd line centre. He may get one or the other, but I'd be very surprised if he got something like a $3.5m for 4 or 5 yr deal as a 4th line centre. Two years maybe. What I could see is a zero state tax team offering him $2.5m on a longer term deal. Id be good giving him $2.5, maybe even $2.75m on 4 or 5 yr deal. Id even consider giving him $3m on a two year deal, to insulate the young centre coming up. If he wants more than that it's too much. If we didn't have the Gallagher and Anderson contracts I'd even go to $3m on a 4 year deal. But we can't go forward having around $25m tied to our bottom 6 like we do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 Just now, hab29RETIRED said: I don't see too many teams that are going to give term AND $, unless they think he is a solid 3rd line centre. He may get one or the other, but I'd be very surprised if he got something like a $3.5m for 4 or 5 yr deal as a 4th line centre. Two years maybe. What I could see is a zero state tax team offering him $2.5m on a longer term deal. Id be good giving him $2.5, maybe even $2.75m on 4 or 5 yr deal. Id even consider giving him $3m on a two year deal, to insulate the young centre coming up. If he wants more than that it's too much. If we didn't have the Gallagher and Anderson contracts I'd even go to $3m on a 4 year deal. But we can't go forward having around $25m tied to our bottom 6 like we do now. Should have said "and/or" ... there is always the possibility of a GM being desperate, stupid or both, and giving both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 4 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Should have said "and/or" ... there is always the possibility of a GM being desperate, stupid or both, and giving both. True. But if Evans gets a fair offer from us before Xmas, given his concussion history, would he want to hope that a GM is going to be stupid or desperate? If he was a legit, no question sold 3rd line centre, than yes, there is a high probability he would get more. Having said that he maybe himself as more than a 4th line centre, so there is that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 10 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: True. But if Evans gets a fair offer from us before Xmas, given his concussion history, would he want to hope that a GM is going to be stupid or desperate? If he was a legit, no question sold 3rd line centre, than yes, there is a high probability he would get more. Having said that he maybe himself as more than a 4th line centre, so there is that. All boils down to what Evans sees as "fair" ... doesn't matter what we think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 2 Author Share Posted November 2 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: He is smart enough to know this is his first (maybe only) chance to "cash-in" ... he knows there will always be a market for a 4C that can kill penalties and win faceoffs; maybe 3C on some teams ... doubt he extends unless it is a contract ($$ and yrs) most fans don't want to give ... I am resigned to him not re-signing ... only question in my mind is whether or not to trade him at the deadline. Bingo. There's no reason for him to accept a value contract on an extension right now. Unless the Habs are offering more than he's worth (and I highly doubt that), he's better off waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 1 hour ago, dlbalr said: Bingo. There's no reason for him to accept a value contract on an extension right now. Unless the Habs are offering more than he's worth (and I highly doubt that), he's better off waiting. Unless he gets called concussed or injured again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 17 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: Unless he gets called concussed or injured again. If he thought like that he wouldn't be playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 13 minutes ago, GHT120 said: If he thought like that he wouldn't be playing It as supposed to be one of the factors for maxpac's early extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 3 Share Posted November 3 3 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: It as supposed to be one of the factors for maxpac's early extension. Honestly don't recall ... even if it was a factor for Pacs, not all players think the same way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanes World Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 I read this the other day, but Reinbacher + for Simon nemec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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