Permanent Trade Proposal Thread

[Butterface]

7 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

Just as you edited your initial post to clarify it, I have edited mine to address only the essential element of Kane's return from LTIR

Beautiful. The efficiency of a chat room is great when a few people bring different informative tidbits to the discussion to help come to an enlightened consensus. 

[JoeLassister]

I wouldn't bring Evander Kane into this locker room even for a minute.  It would be a trade followed by an immediate buy out or nothing for me.

[TurdBurglar]

19 minutes ago, JoeLassister said:

I wouldn't bring Evander Kane into this locker room even for a minute.  It would be a trade followed by an immediate buy out or nothing for me.

Or to eat cap on a 3 team deal if the return was good.  Definitely not a trade to keep him on the team. 

[Butterface]

Thoughts ?

 

I just read this… don’t know if it’s possible… but it is something I could get behind…

 

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/the_ideal_trade_between_the_canadiens_and_predators_is_shaping_up/s1_17452_41341744

[GHT120]

52 minutes ago, Butterface said:

Thoughts ?

 

I just read this… don’t know if it’s possible… but it is something I could get behind…

 

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/the_ideal_trade_between_the_canadiens_and_predators_is_shaping_up/s1_17452_41341744

Interesting ... could be a Savard replacement for the next couple of years as youngsters develop

[Commandant]

1 hour ago, Butterface said:

Thoughts ?

 

I just read this… don’t know if it’s possible… but it is something I could get behind…

 

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/the_ideal_trade_between_the_canadiens_and_predators_is_shaping_up/s1_17452_41341744

 

It's interesting and I would do it. 

 

That said I don't know how likely it is, it is merely based on the thinnest info that the Preds want to trade Carrier and not much more, and then the writer is just speculating from there.  So of course an interesting idea, but not like its a rumour where something is well developed between the teams.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

1 hour ago, Butterface said:

Thoughts ?

 

I just read this… don’t know if it’s possible… but it is something I could get behind…

 

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/the_ideal_trade_between_the_canadiens_and_predators_is_shaping_up/s1_17452_41341744

 

I don't know a lot about Carrier, certainly on the small side for a defensemen (174 lbs), nothing seems to stand out about him. Not crazy about the extra years on the contract, might inhibit the development of the young defensemen. Others here can probably provide more info about his ability. 

[Butterface]

He’s young enough (in case it works well) and just has to be a body for now…

 

Downside he isn’t big. Upside he’s a righty. Term left too.

 

I don’t know a lot about him, but the price seems right.

[Butterface]

19 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

Not crazy about the extra years on the contract,

Funny I saw that more of a bonus. I get why you don’t. I just hate trading for something you might lose quick during a rebuild.

 

*Also that contract expires at a good time. Good spot to re-evaluate.

[Helmethead]

Good grief if we can leverage Dvorak into anything I’d take it and run. 

[Butterface]

Just now, Helmethead said:

Good grief if we can leverage Dvorak into anything I’d take it and run. 

😀😀

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

34 minutes ago, Helmethead said:

Good grief if we can leverage Dvorak into anything I’d take it and run. 

 

Dvorak's contract is done this year and then we are done with him, not sure I want to leverage it into another longer term contract for a player who might not help much. Again, I am not an expert on what Carrier brings to the table. Just being a RD isn't enough. 

[Commandant]

2 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

Dvorak's contract is done this year and then we are done with him, not sure I want to leverage it into another longer term contract for a player who might not help much. Again, I am not an expert on what Carrier brings to the table. Just being a RD isn't enough. 

 

This gives me some pause too. 

 

I don't see Carrier as a top 4 D. 

 

That said, I'd do it, just cause even third pair RHD, there aren't many on the UFA market, and I think he's better than getting another 4th or 5th round pick.

[Butterface]

1 hour ago, Commandant said:

 

This gives me some pause too. 

 

I don't see Carrier as a top 4 D. 

 

That said, I'd do it, just cause even third pair RHD, there aren't many on the UFA market, and I think he's better than getting another 4th or 5th round pick.

I don’t see him as that either, but Reinbacher is not going to be up right away next year and we need a righty that is cheap and fills a hole and his contract is reasonable and expires at a good time.

 

He's no Bobby Orr… but he’s not a square peg in a round hole either. He’s a round peg with less diameter then we need for a round hole.

[Prime Minister Koivu]

34 minutes ago, Butterface said:

I don’t see him as that either, but Reinbacher is not going to be up right away next year and we need a righty that is cheap and fills a hole and his contract is reasonable and expires at a good time.

 

He's no Bobby Orr… but he’s not a square peg in a round hole either. He’s a round peg with less diameter then we need for a round hole.

This is why I would not be surprised if Hughes re-signs Savard. 
 

Reinbacher, Mailloux, Barron is all we got and Reinbacher will surely be in Laval next season. 

[Butterface]

25 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

This is why I would not be surprised if Hughes re-signs Savard. 
 

Reinbacher, Mailloux, Barron is all we got and Reinbacher will surely be in Laval next season. 

A lot of things to think about.

 

Will he sign for just a year ? Will we get the same return for him TDL 2026 ? What Draftees do we project will be available in the late first round of 2025 vs 2026 ? Is it better if we draft a RHD with the pick we receive in 2025 for Savard and have that player play meaningful minutes in 2029-30 (4 years later) ?

 

How bad will we be on the right side next year without Savard ? What other option might we have for a useable RHD next year ? Cost to acquire that help ? Age of that help ? Salary ? Term ?

 

Being a GM is fun. Fan base might go nuts if we have to work through more defensive issues next year. But the good news is even if we suck again next year, it doesn’t change the window for when I’m thinking we will be competitive.

[Prime Minister Koivu]

40 minutes ago, Butterface said:

A lot of things to think about.

 

Will he sign for just a year ? Will we get the same return for him TDL 2026 ? What Draftees do we project will be available in the late first round of 2025 vs 2026 ? Is it better if we draft a RHD with the pick we receive in 2025 for Savard and have that player play meaningful minutes in 2029-30 (4 years later) ?

 

How bad will we be on the right side next year without Savard ? What other option might we have for a useable RHD next year ? Cost to acquire that help ? Age of that help ? Salary ? Term ?

 

Being a GM is fun. Fan base might go nuts if we have to work through more defensive issues next year. But the good news is even if we suck again next year, it doesn’t change the window for when I’m thinking we will be competitive.

It is possible that Hughes intends to play Reinbacher in Montreal next season but I doubt it. 
 

Matheson, Guhle, Struble can fill in on the right but we are weak on the right for sure. 

[Commandant]

Houle was adamant after having Reinbacher for those few AHL games last year that he wouldnt finish the 2025 season in the AHL.   He might start there but would be too good to keep there 

 

The injury probably sets that back.  But if he finished this season in the AHL, gets in 20 games and a playoff run.  He might be NHL ready next year.

 

We will know more once he plays of course.

[tomh009]

3 hours ago, Commandant said:

That said, I'd do it, just cause even third pair RHD, there aren't many on the UFA market, and I think he's better than getting another 4th or 5th round pick.

I would even throw in a 4th or a 5th as the Habs are hard against the contract limit anyway--and most likely Carrier will decline much less than Savard in a season or two.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

9 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

I would even throw in a 4th or a 5th as the Habs are hard against the contract limit anyway--and most likely Carrier will decline much less than Savard in a season or two.

 

if Hughes was looking for a 3rd pairing RD then why did he trade Kovacevic?  Kovacevic is much cheaper than Carrier. 

 

I don't want to pay a 3rd pairing D 3.75M for this year and the next two. 

[Butterface]

26 minutes ago, Commandant said:

Houle was adamant after having Reinbacher for those few AHL games last year that he wouldnt finish the 2025 season in the AHL.   He might start there but would be too good to keep there 

 

The injury probably sets that back.  But if he finished this season in the AHL, gets in 20 games and a playoff run.  He might be NHL ready next year.

 

We will know more once he plays of course.

True. When is he due to return to play ?

[BCHabnut]

21 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

if Hughes was looking for a 3rd pairing RD then why did he trade Kovacevic?  Kovacevic is much cheaper than Carrier. 

 

I don't want to pay a 3rd pairing D 3.75M for this year and the next two. 

I'm pretty sure Hughes would like to take that one back at this point. Keep kovacevic and trade Harris

[Commandant]

13 minutes ago, Butterface said:

True. When is he due to return to play ?

 

Mid february more or less.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

7 minutes ago, BCHabnut said:

I'm pretty sure Hughes would like to take that one back at this point. Keep kovacevic and trade Harris

 

He was probably hoping for Barron to step up, he hasn't done that. 

[Commandant]

26 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

if Hughes was looking for a 3rd pairing RD then why did he trade Kovacevic?  Kovacevic is much cheaper than Carrier. 

 

I don't want to pay a 3rd pairing D 3.75M for this year and the next two. 

 

Things can change.

 

The plan might have been to have Reinbacher ready to go by the end of this season, paving the way for a trade of Savard at the deadline.

 

I also think they thought that Barron would take a step and he hasnt.  If they could do it over he might be the one gone.

 

Add to this that Kovacevic would have been UFA after this year, he will probably cost around what Carrier will.

 

If they think they can do better than Carrier in free agency great.  But our RHD next year could be Reinbacher, and Mailloux.  So a vet will be needed.

 

All that said, this rumour does seem weak as far as rumour sources go, so i think this whole discussion may just be moot.