Permanent Trade Proposal Thread

[Butterface]

32 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

He is not even David Savard ... has another year on his contract ($2M AAV) but could be a band-aid this season and the 6/7 D next season after Savard leaves.

Just looking for a serviceable, cheap, warm body who can do some penalty kill.

Yes to fill the void of Savard…. Play into next year…. Would pay with a third or fourth round pick… help on RHD until Reinbacher and Mailloux can play.

Cheapest solution at moment. 

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

I usually defer to Commandant's far more profound pro and amateur scouting expertise, and I'm not gonna deny that Deharnais is a #6-7. But because I'm not convinced that Barron is a legitimate #6-7, I'm tempted to see VD as at least a minor upgrade at our weakest position. He can probably be had for a song. I still think it might be worth a go.

[Butterface]

4 minutes ago, Commandant said:

I think hes crap.

 

I dont want more 6/7 dmen.  Thats not the issue.

 

Save your cap space and draft picks to find someone who can play top 4.

Top four will cost a fair whack, no ? 
 

You suggesting UFA ? Or drafting our own and waiting ?

[Butterface]

If we trade Savard, we either have to plug a hole or bring Mailloux up for the rest of the season (likely at TDL with a Savard trade). I was thinking we could plug a hole with Deharnais and roll him into next season giving time to Reinbacher and Mailloux.

 

Yes, if we continue to use 6/7 guys until our RHD prospects come up to snuff, we will be weak on that right side for the next year or two.

 

The alternative is to spend assets in a trade to fix the problem and get a top four RHD, buy one in the UFA market with cash we have for the next two years, or draft one and wait for him to arrive in 4 years.

 

I we pick up a Deharnais it means management expect Reinbacher and Mailloux to be solid performing RHD within a couple of years.

 

If we trade for a RHD (top 4) or sign a UFA RHD (top four), it means we are losing confidence in our RHD prospects and buying insurance.

 

I think we should draft one regardless with our late first round pick (Calgary’s)( maybe sweeten it to get an earlier pick).

 

Keeping Savard means we lose out on a solid draft asset. I’d like to trade him. We are in it for the future, not the present.

 

So if Deharnais isn’t the guy… we hope something better shows up, or fill the hole a different way. Next best cost effective way is bringing up Mailloux for rest of season (after TDL I assume) and see how he does.

We can easily put him back in Laval for their playoff run.

 

 

[BCHabnut]

I watch some oilers games every year. Working in alberta. I'm surprised Desharnais is in the NHL. He's not an NHL player imo.

[Butterface]

32 minutes ago, BCHabnut said:

I watch some oilers games every year. Working in alberta. I'm surprised Desharnais is in the NHL. He's not an NHL player imo.

ok.. it’s a strikeout for Deharnais…. We move on.

[Commandant]

3 hours ago, Butterface said:

Top four will cost a fair whack, no ? 
 

You suggesting UFA ? Or drafting our own and waiting ?

 

Im suggesting dont make panic moves so you still have the cap space and draft picks/prospects to make a trade if someone comes available or to go after UFA in summer.

 

We arent making playoffs this year.  We arent winning the cup this year.  There is no need to panic just cause a 6/7 RHD is on the market.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

46 minutes ago, BCHabnut said:

I watch some oilers games every year. Working in alberta. I'm surprised Desharnais is in the NHL. He's not an NHL player imo.

 

I think he surprised people when he first came up with Edmonton, played fairly solid and physical. I think they wanted to keep him but not at 2 Million/year.  His mobility is not the best and that limits him. I thinks he's OK as a 6/7 defensemen but not at 2 million/year. I would pass. 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

12 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

Im suggesting dont make panic moves so you still have the cap space and draft picks/prospects to make a trade if someone comes available or to go after UFA in summer.

 

We arent making playoffs this year.  We arent winning the cup this year.  There is no need to panic just cause a 6/7 RHD is on the market.

 

Agreed, after being hopeful/optimistic/dreaming early in the year I have come to the conclusion the playoffs are not happening. No need to think about short term solutions unless the cost is minimal. Keep the cap space and picks. 

[DON]

NHL mock trade proposals: One tantalizing target for each team. Could any deals happen? - The Athletic

 

Montreal Canadiens
Target: David Spacek, RHD (MIN/AHL) — Arpon Basu

Cost: Joel Armia, RW (MTL) — Mirtle

Reality: This is less so about Spacek specifically than what he represents: a young, right-shot defenseman belonging to a contending team who is not necessarily a blue-chip prospect but is close to being NHL-ready. There are several around the league. And if the cost for landing one of them is Armia, the Canadiens would surely do it, and they would be far more willing to do something like this than trading Armia for a draft pick or two. — Basu

[GHT120]

21 minutes ago, DON said:

NHL mock trade proposals: One tantalizing target for each team. Could any deals happen? - The Athletic

 

Montreal Canadiens
Target: David Spacek, RHD (MIN/AHL) — Arpon Basu

Cost: Joel Armia, RW (MTL) — Mirtle

Reality: This is less so about Spacek specifically than what he represents: a young, right-shot defenseman belonging to a contending team who is not necessarily a blue-chip prospect but is close to being NHL-ready. There are several around the league. And if the cost for landing one of them is Armia, the Canadiens would surely do it, and they would be far more willing to do something like this than trading Armia for a draft pick or two. — Basu

I'll pay for their Ubers to the airport.

[Commandant]

sure, I'd do that. 

[DON]

In that Athletic article, i think it was 3 different Calgary RH d-men suggested in different deals (Barrie, Andersson & Weegar maybe it was).

Not sure if are any of the 3 are available, contracts, or if are a fit with Habs.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

19 minutes ago, DON said:

In that Athletic article, i think it was 3 different Calgary RH d-men suggested in different deals (Barrie, Andersson & Weegar maybe it was).

Not sure if are any of the 3 are available, contracts, or if are a fit with Habs.

 

Andersson and Weegar are excellent, likely not available and if they were would not be cheap. 

[hab29RETIRED]

Is there a contending (or wannabe pretender), team that has a really good RHD prospect, but could use a big boast on D now?  If there is I say move Matheson + additional depth for the playoffs.  We have no room on LHD, and I don't think Matheson is a good enough Dman to be playing on the other side.

 

Matheson's loss would hurt us even more in the present, we already very young. But the mix right now isn't working. Hutson has overtaken him on the PP. I'd rather have Guhle playing on his natural side next year and try him on the RHD side for the remainder of the year if we can't find anyone. We need to mix things up. Is there a team that is a piece away from winning this year that has a Buium type of prospect, that they'd sacrifice to win now. Matheson, Dvorak with 50% retention and a second rounder for that type of prospect?

 

another tactic, Washington looks like thy are legit this year could they use more depth - Matheson, Armia/Dvorak, and a pick for a guy like Leonard?  Allows us to use other assets on a RHD, but solidifies the top 6 for next year.

I dont see Newhook as a top 6 guy. Start plugging holes for next year and give the team the shock jolt it needs.

 

[GHT120]

30 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

Matheson, Armia/Dvorak, and a pick for a guy like Leonard?  

Caps are already in LTIR, with $1.6M in cap space, and that that adds $8.2-9.3M in AAV

[Prime Minister Koivu]

33 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

Is there a contending (or wannabe pretender), team that has a really good RHD prospect, but could use a big boast on D now?  If there is I say move Matheson + additional depth for the playoffs.  We have no room on LHD, and I don't think Matheson is a good enough Dman to be playing on the other side.

 

Matheson's loss would hurt us even more in the present, we already very young. But the mix right now isn't working. Hutson has overtaken him on the PP. I'd rather have Guhle playing on his natural side next year and try him on the RHD side for the remainder of the year if we can't find anyone. We need to mix things up. Is there a team that is a piece away from winning this year that has a Buium type of prospect, that they'd sacrifice to win now. Matheson, Dvorak with 50% retention and a second rounder for that type of prospect?

 

another tactic, Washington looks like thy are legit this year could they use more depth - Matheson, Armia/Dvorak, and a pick for a guy like Leonard?  Allows us to use other assets on a RHD, but solidifies the top 6 for next year.

I dont see Newhook as a top 6 guy. Start plugging holes for next year and give the team the shock jolt it needs.

 

If Matheson could get us a top pairing RD then I’m all for it. 
 

There is no way that Montreal is going into next season with Reinbacher, Mailloux, Barron as our RD. 
 

Maybe Savard get a contract but surely Hughes has some sort of plan 

[hab29RETIRED]

38 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

If Matheson could get us a top pairing RD then I’m all for it. 
 

There is no way that Montreal is going into next season with Reinbacher, Mailloux, Barron as our RD. 
 

Maybe Savard get a contract but surely Hughes has some sort of plan 

There is no way we can get a current top pairing RHD, even a prospect would be hard. But if there are teams that they can win now, and have a current D hole that Matheson can address and they have high IQ RHD prospect with legit top pairing or legit #2/3 dman on the top 6 D, we should see if there is a for. We have Matheson and a number of good complementary pieces and a boatload of draft picks. So who knows, maybe we can pick up a really high end RHD prospect.

[Butterface]

44 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

If Matheson could get us a top pairing RD then I’m all for it. 
 

There is no way that Montreal is going into next season with Reinbacher, Mailloux, Barron as our RD. 
 

Maybe Savard get a contract but surely Hughes has some sort of plan 

what’s the dilemma?

Tank for Mckenna !!
 

🤣🤣🤣

[hab29RETIRED]

52 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

Caps are already in LTIR, with $1.6M in cap space, and that that adds $8.2-9.3M in AAV

Could we take a magioonpane or ferehevary back?

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

I see Mattheson more as a deadline move. Hutson is clearly the genuine article, but I’m personally more comfortable with Mattheson as a ‘buffer’ for him, as opposed to putting the entire responsibility for generating offence from the back end on the kid’s shoulders. But yes, with the emergence of Hutson, re-signing MM doesn’t seem to make sense. And yes…ideally, MM would be dealt for a RD.

 

It’s funny how we went from the idea that we had a ridiculous surplus on D, to a sense of being talent-starved on RD specifically. 

[tomh009]

41 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

It’s funny how we went from the idea that we had a ridiculous surplus on D, to a sense of being talent-starved on RD specifically. 

And it would be far worse yet had we not drafted Reinbacher.

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

3 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

And it would be far worse yet had we not drafted Reinbacher.

 

A very good point - and perhaps exactly what HuGo were thinking 🤔 

[TurdBurglar]

59 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

It’s funny how we went from the idea that we had a ridiculous surplus on D, to a sense of being talent-starved on RD specifically. 

I don’t think we went to talent starved, just not NHL ready.  That’s the downside of drafting a winning team, it’s a slow burn to see the final product.  
 

Let's honest, if Reinbacher and Mailloux both come close to their potential, that’s the top 2 pairs of RD solidified.  Filling the 3rd pair RD via trade/free agency isn’t really an issue.  Even if they don’t meet potential, with the emergence of Hutson, you can trade for a top-4 pure shutdown RD, which will be much cheaper than a top pair RD.

[Butterface]

We aren’t starved.

 

We have the food.

 

We need to do at least another grocery run.

 

Some food is in the refrigerator.

 

Some food is still in the oven.

 

Mom maybe needs to go to the market for something.

 

Dinners at 6pm.

 

It is only 2 in the afternoon.