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2 hours ago, GHT120 said:

It would make getting/staying out of LTIR difficult

It would indeed. The management team would have a good idea of the total expected bonuses and whether we can fit them in next year, it's hard for me to guess how significant a problem that is.

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13 hours ago, tomh009 said:

Someone (TSN?) was suggesting that Habs might acquire Yanni Gourde from Seattle. He's expensive at $5M+ so the trade value should be fairly low and we have the cap space.


I think they were suggesting signing him as a free agent. Not trading for him. At least that’s what I thought I heard …. His contract expires July 1.

 

(if Evans is traded or lost in free agency) 

 

He is 33… 

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12 hours ago, GHT120 said:

It would make getting/staying out of LTIR difficult


No. We can fit him if we sign him for 4M or less. (Depending if we make other moves) 

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16 hours ago, Butterface said:

No. We can fit him if we sign him for 4M or less. (Depending if we make other moves) 

That was in relation to tomh009's suggestion they trade for him if to finish the season if Evans was moved ... the habs are currently already into LTIR but "reportedly/allegedly" want to get out of LTIR to avoid bonuses carrying over to next season's cap.

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Brian Wilde today said that if the Habs are buyers at tdl, they should go all in on Crosby. Saying it will take 2 high end and 2 mid tier assets. His proposal is both 1sts if they are in the teens, Mailloux, and Beck. I was surprised to see him throw this out there. If Penguins are sellers, do you go for it? 

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5 minutes ago, BCHabnut said:

Brian Wilde today said that if the Habs are buyers at tdl, they should go all in on Crosby. Saying it will take 2 high end and 2 mid tier assets. His proposal is both 1sts if they are in the teens, Mailloux, and Beck. I was surprised to see him throw this out there. If Penguins are sellers, do you go for it? 

If he really is going UFA, I would rather try to sign him in July. But how long would he still play?

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4 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

If he really is going UFA, I would rather try to sign him in July. But how long would he still play?

Hes signed for 3 years at 8.7 million. If Dubas says it's rebuild time, he could pile up assets like crazy. Crosby,  Malkin,  Letang, Karlsson.

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The Penguins are not selling Crosby.

 

Virtually every credible insider says they are going to keep trying to get young pieces without moving Crosby, Malkin, letang or Karlsson.  Its a soft rebuild more than a tear down

 

I think its the wrong way to go but its what their ownership wants.

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1 hour ago, tomh009 said:

If he really is going UFA, I would rather try to sign him in July. But how long would he still play?

He isn’t a UFA. He just signed a team friendly deal can’t see him wanting to move.

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Is Crosby even as good as Suzuki these days?

Dosent seem like adding a 37 year old with 3 more years on big contract, is the right move at this stage.

Just sounds kooky to me.

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26 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

Crosby is certainly enticing. Imagine Crosby wearing the tricolour 🎉

 

The cost to acquire would be more than I’m willing to pay unfortunately. 

Yeah. If we were one player away from contending AND had a lots of extra picks and prospects. Sure. But we aren’t there yet. The only guys from the core that have demonstrated they are legit top players are Suzuki, Caufield and Hutson.

 

both the others the jury is still out.

-Slafkovsky is still to young. Had a great second half, but it was during garbage time when there is no pressure or expectation, because it was clear we were going to be a bottom 3-6 team.

- Guhle is at least a high middle pairing Dman. Don’t know yet if he is a going to be the solid shut down guy who can be a legit #2 or #3 on a CONTENDING team yet.

-Dach is someone who after his fist game last year, I thought he could be a legit top line centre. In the 1 1/2 games he played, his skating, cj trolling the play, handling the puck, he looked unstoppable. Issue is that it was a very small sample size. He looks like he is coming into form as he is closer to the 15-18 month recovery period. But his decision making isn’t quite there.

 

from the current lineup, that’s pretty much it for the future core that can be egit top-end players for the next decade.

 

next year we will have a better idea once Demidov gets here, we will find out if the hype and hope is real or not. next year Reinbacher will be here (or Laval), and we’ll find out if he was worth the top 5 pick. Next year is also when I think we have better idea of what we have in Dach. Ditto for Slafkovsky.
 

But I wouldn’t want to be moving a Beck, Roy, Mailloux, or others at this stage for a guy who may help us get in the playoffs, but not go deep. We aren’t ready. The Sens made mistakes like that, we don’t need to repeat.

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5 minutes ago, DON said:

Is Crosby even as good as Suzuki these days?

Dosent seem like adding a 37 year old with 3 more years on big contract, is the right move at this stage.

Just sounds kooky to me.

100% agree.

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47 minutes ago, Commandant said:

The Penguins are not selling Crosby.

UNLESS he asks to be moved ... VERY unlikely given Sid just extended four months ago ... unless the reality of this season has totally shocked him ... OR ... Mario asks him nicely.

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11 minutes ago, DON said:

Is Crosby even as good as Suzuki these days?

Dosent seem like adding a 37 year old with 3 more years on big contract, is the right move at this stage.

Just sounds kooky to me.

 

Yes Crosby is still great at both ends.

 

I love suzuki, but Sid is better 

 

That said he's not being traded IMO and a 37 year old is not the move for the Habs.

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25 minutes ago, DON said:

Is Crosby even as good as Suzuki these days?

Dosent seem like adding a 37 year old with 3 more years on big contract, is the right move at this stage.

Just sounds kooky to me.

As a 2C/3C, depending on Dach, and to mentor to a next level for leadership I would LOVE the idea ... Crosby has a better face-off percentage (55.8 vs 49.6) and on a worse team has the same PPG as Nick ... there would need to be more than picks and prospects going out for cap to work.

 

But it depends on HuGo being satisfies that the resulting team (plus assets already drafted, not traded) satisfies their rebuild.

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So if Pens make Sid available at the deadline for trade and we become buyers, what’s a trade package that would get it done?

 

to habs

Sid

 

to pens

habs 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, Evans, Anderson ?

 

would that be enough? 

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25 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:

So if Pens make Sid available at the deadline for trade and we become buyers, what’s a trade package that would get it done?

 

to habs

Sid

 

to pens

habs 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, Evans, Anderson ?

 

would that be enough? 

That would 100% get it done, but it's a massive over-payment.  Realistically, at 37, he has 1-2 more years left. 

 

If the Penguins were actually looking to trade Crosby, and Montreal were willing to take him on at this stage of the rebuild, Evans/Anderson plus a 2nd would be enough, maybe a conditional 1st on games played instead of a second.  Montreal would only be getting 180ish games, at best, from Crosby.  I know this sounds like a massive underpayment, but Crosby's longevity in the NHL past that trade will kill his potential return.  He could opt to retire at any point starting the end of this season and that will be factored into his value.

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Much as I would LOVE to see Crosby in Bleu, Blanc et Rouge I don't see them trading him at the deadline ... *** IF *** he asks, or is asked and agrees, Pens could be looking to deal Sid at the draft/this summer ... it would depend on whether Crosby signed the extension expecting to be on a playoff team, and how he perceives their future.

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58 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said:

to habs

Sid

 

to pens

habs 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, Evans, Anderson

 

35 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

That would 100% get it done, but it's a massive over-payment.  Realistically, at 37, he has 1-2 more years left ... Montreal would only be getting 180ish games, at best, from Crosby.  

 

Anderson or Gallagher would need to be included for cap purposes ... some team/teams gives/give up a first round pick for 30-ish games plus prayers for playoff games from a player every year ... not certain that a 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, Evans & Anderson for 30-ish games and prayers for playoff games PLUS two more seasons is a MASSIVE overpayment for Sid ... not that I wouldn't by happy to see it reduced ... in the universe where it might happen.

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4 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

 

 

Anderson or Gallagher would need to be included for cap purposes ... some team/teams gives/give up a first round pick for 30-ish games plus prayers for playoff games from a player every year ... not certain that a 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, Evans & Anderson for 30-ish games and prayers for playoff games PLUS two more seasons is a MASSIVE overpayment for Sid ... not that I wouldn't by happy to see it reduced ... in the universe where it might happen.

That's under the assumption Anderson/Evans walk after this season.  Pittsburgh wouldn't entertain any expiring contracts without an extension in place.  My proposal was assuming that an extension was reached, but I didn't include that which is my own fault.

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2 hours ago, tomh009 said:

Anderson is not walking anywhere anytime soon. 😊

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Looking back at Pittsburgh, *** IF *** :

  • HuGo want to make a serious playoff push;
  • Dubas was willing to retain $2-3 million*; AND
  • Eric was willing to waive his NMC**

could/should the Habs consider making a deal for Karlsson? Again, likely would hav to include Anderson or Gallagher for cap purposes ... which obviously complicates matters 

 

EK is playing 22:48 per game, -15 (but on the worst defensive team in the NHL), and 0.64 PPG (albeit on a team scoring slightly more than the Habs on the season) ... it would free up Savard or to be traded at the deadline, provide depth or allow Matheson to move back to the left side and sit AX most nights ... looking at this summer, if HuGo feel Mailloux is ready for next season it frees up a LHD (Matheson/Xekaj) to be traded

 

* - rumoured to be willing to do so

** - was rumoured to be willing to waive to go back to Ottawa; his wife is from there so Montreal gets her closer to her family and fiends.

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