Lanes World Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Dylan Cozen is interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Lanes World said: Dylan Cozen is interesting. And cost would be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 hours ago, Lanes World said: Dylan Cozen is interesting. He is interesting but there is little chance Buffalo would trade him to a division rival without a big return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 4 hours ago, DON said: And cost would be? ClickBait30 speculating it would be Dach and a first ... might take a bit more. Sabres would gain cap space/flexibility (Dach is $3,362,500 for one more year versus $7.1M for three more seasons) ... Cozens a year younger ... both RH centres ... Dach slightly bigger ... Cozens better on face-offs (47.4 vs 39.3 career) ... Cozens better health history (333 games over 4+ seasons vs. 265 over 5+ seasons) ... Cozens provides slightly more offence (18.7 goals/82 games vs 13.3; 28.6 assists vs 23.8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Dach and a 1st for a guy who is massively underperforming a giant contract? And is doing so for the second year in a row? Ill pass. If you give up on a dach as your 2nd centre, there are other options besides this trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 37 minutes ago, Commandant said: Dach and a 1st for a guy who is massively underperforming a giant contract? And is doing so for the second year in a row? Ill pass. If you give up on a dach as your 2nd centre, there are other options besides this trade I’d like to see Dach one more year before I give up… unless something awesome comes our way by chance … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, Butterface said: I’d like to see Dach one more year before I give up… unless something awesome comes our way by chance … I agree with that. Im just saying the proposal of moving dach and a first for cozens is essentially giving up on dach if the trade is made and I see cozens as a similar age, similar disappointing production, and a way worse contract. And the proposal is dach and a first. No way from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 I had a post written but it got deleted so I’ll try my best to be as similar to what I had as I can be… I’ve liked Cozens since his junior years but Dach for Cozens is a relatively lateral move as they play a similar style. Cozens being slightly more physical when it comes to laying the body but that could change as well since Dach has the bigger frame. Cozens has certainly had a better career thus far but there are other players on the team I’d trade for him before Dach. Not to mention that Cozens currently comes at twice the price. The 2019 3rd overall pick and a first for the 2019 7th overall pick is a no go for me. I’m also an advocate for keeping Dach and not giving up on him. Of course à la Rantanen - Necas he’s not untouchable but once again I wouldn’t do it with a first round draft pick thrown in as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Cozens had one promising season. Got paid, and has been disappointing the last year and half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 7 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: I’m also an advocate for keeping Dach and not giving up on him. Being benched isnt a great sign though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 22 minutes ago, DON said: Being benched isnt a great sign though. Yup, in this case I have nothing but my own eyes and mind. I haven’t been overly thrilled with players like Slafkovský and Dach when one looks at their tenure at a macro level but with both of them I have seen glimpses of their potential so am completely willing to be patient. I believe neither are there yet but both will be good to even better than good players in this league and hopefully it is with the Habs when they do put it all together. I believe I attended some of Dach’s better games of the year in person as well so that’s where my own eyes come into play. St. Louis has seen a lot more of him than I have in person. Dach’s benching also had a lot to do with taking a dumb penalty at the end of the period, so that’s something that should be able to be worked on given a good coach and culture in the room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 52 minutes ago, DON said: Being benched isnt a great sign though. Hasn't happened in months and he's been better since it did. If he was repeatedly benched, Id be more concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 11 hours ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: I had a post written but it got deleted so I’ll try my best to be as similar to what I had as I can be… I’ve liked Cozens since his junior years but Dach for Cozens is a relatively lateral move as they play a similar style. Cozens being slightly more physical when it comes to laying the body but that could change as well since Dach has the bigger frame. Cozens has certainly had a better career thus far but there are other players on the team I’d trade for him before Dach. Not to mention that Cozens currently comes at twice the price. The 2019 3rd overall pick and a first for the 2019 7th overall pick is a no go for me. I’m also an advocate for keeping Dach and not giving up on him. Of course à la Rantanen - Necas he’s not untouchable but once again I wouldn’t do it with a first round draft pick thrown in as well. If the Habs had a solid 2C and Dach played as the 2rd line center, I am sure he would do great. He is jut not string enough to play top-6 right now. Maybe in a couple of years he will be but not now. I mush rather try to land a lefthanded center for the 2nd like through a trade or free agency than to try this lateral move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 The point of acquiring Cozens would be as insurance in case Dach never emerges. Otherwise, as others are noting, it's a lateral move. Now if we could add him to the mix without losing Dach, we'd have two potential top-6 C...presumably doubling our odds of having a solution in that slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 18 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: The point of acquiring Cozens would be as insurance in case Dach never emerges. Otherwise, as others are noting, it's a lateral move. Now if we could add him to the mix without losing Dach, we'd have two potential top-6 C...presumably doubling our odds of having a solution in that slot. You'd be paying $7.1 million a season till 2030 for this insurance? At that price its him in and Dach out (either trading for him or in another mood), you aren't going to fit both under the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, Commandant said: You'd be paying $7.1 million a season till 2030 for this insurance? At that price its him in and Dach out (either trading for him or in another mood), you aren't going to fit both under the cap. Fine - then forget about Cozens. Unless, that is, your very careful pro scouting assessment is that he is significantly more likely to become a serious 2nd-line C than Dach, in which case you are indeed open to flipping Dach for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 27 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Fine - then forget about Cozens. Unless, that is, your very careful pro scouting assessment is that he is significantly more likely to become a serious 2nd-line C than Dach, in which case you are indeed open to flipping Dach for him. I think what you said before is fair. Although Cozens’ salary is simply high in and of itself, Armia makes more than Dach. In addition, Dach is not only a center but a winger. If Dach doesn’t work as a second line center and Cozens does, Dach can play a myriad of positions whether it be 1st line winger, 2nd line winger, 3rd line winger, 3rd line center, etc. I wouldn’t trade Dach and a 1st for Cozens since it is a fairly lateral move and overpayment, but fitting them both on the team is something that is possible. Whether or not the Habs actually want Cozens is an entirely different question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Might be the highest his salary will ever be, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanes World Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 We had enough lateral moves with Bergevin. Cozens for Dach…. It wouldn’t be one for one, but lateral. cozens had a great year…. Dach hasn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Lanes World said: We had enough lateral moves with Bergevin. Cozens for Dach…. It wouldn’t be one for one, but lateral. cozens had a great year…. Dach hasn’t. I’ve had enough of those type sod moves. This would be worse - Cozen’s salary is more than double Dach’s. He may have the Buffalo flu and flourish when he gets out of there, but no way would I pay a premium to take on the risk of him being just a one year wonder, rather than a player who just needs a change of scenery. we are finally getting rid of some of Bergevin’s lousy contracts this year and will still have overpayments to Gallagher and Anderson on the books. We don’t need more potential overpaid players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 18 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: I think what you said before is fair. Although Cozens’ salary is simply high in and of itself, Armia makes more than Dach. In addition, Dach is not only a center but a winger. If Dach doesn’t work as a second line center and Cozens does, Dach can play a myriad of positions whether it be 1st line winger, 2nd line winger, 3rd line winger, 3rd line center, etc. I wouldn’t trade Dach and a 1st for Cozens since it is a fairly lateral move and overpayment, but fitting them both on the team is something that is possible. Whether or not the Habs actually want Cozens is an entirely different question. I see our top line winger options next year as Caufield, Suzuki and Demidov. Dach is not going to be in the mix. Next year he is worth a 2nd line centre or winger. I don’t think he is the type of player who can flourish in a 2rd line role, unless we have three very good offensive AND the third line is also defensively responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanes World Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Yep, I think we will see the real Gordon - Hughes plan start to unfold this off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Based on contracts alone, I don't think I'd trade Dach straight up for Cozens, let alone add a 1st round pick. Dach is definitely a question mark as a 2C, but as mentioned above, he can easily slip over to the wing if need be. Going into next season our biggest need no question is down the middle. I believe our best bet is to acquire a veteran who can either be a stop gap for someone like Hage, or we push our chips in the middle and swing hard for a high end player. I would ideally like to sign someone like Bennett, Duchesne, Nelson, or Tavares for free. Would love to trade for Crosby, and to a lesser extent, O'Reilly, Kadri, or Monahan. But the way to really blow the doors off this rebuild would be to use our abundance of capital and try to get a star center. These don't come up very often, but you never know when a team wants to tear it down to rebuild and will take picks/prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canajun Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 My two cents : - I say leave Dylan Cozens be. Too expensive. - I've read that Demidov said he would be just as content at center, as on wing. He seems more of a prototypical center... great distribution skills, drives play, and has some defensive acumen. Plus being a center would probably increase his production by another 15 to 20 points. - Keep Dach. I like him, but for a center, he doesn't seem to be the greatest passer. He does have great puck possession skills however and when he is feeling it, shows great "generalship" on the ice. I would put him on wing. - I think Laine's legs/knees are not well, and he is showing it... his skating is like a Bambi deer. He is a much more dynamic player than what he is displaying right now, and he will strengthen up and get better. Just needs some time. - I've read that Laine's old Winnipeg buddy Nikolai Ehlers has shown interest in joining him on the Habs next year as a UFA. Sign him. Next year's tentative lineup: Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield Ehlers - Demidov - Laine Heineman - Newhook - Dach Gally - Kapanen/Beck - Anderson That's a pretty deep forward corps. Thoughts? Flames? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Demidov has "some defensive acumen"... what? No he's a defensive issue in the KHL and as much as I think SKA has been over the top with it, its part of the reason for his low minutes, and thats playing on the wing, not at centre. But to think hes immediately gonna be an NHL centre and on a line with two other defensive liabilities in Ehlers and Laine. Wow. That line might set records for xGA and goals against. Then you have Newhook at centre, position that the team wont put him at this year. Yeah i dont see that as a lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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