Permanent Trade Proposal Thread

[dlbalr]

42 minutes ago, Dalhabs said:

Matheson (50% retained) + Evans to leafs for Knies + 1st rounder?

 

I don't think the Leafs would say yes even if you took the first-rounder out of there.  Knies is about as close to an untouchable as there is for them.

[dlbalr]

A proposal from Daily Faceoff's Frank Seravalli:

 

To Toronto: Jake Evans
To Montreal: 2025 FLA 2nd Round Pick, Roni Hirvonen

 

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/playing-hockeys-doctor-love-2025-trade-deadline-matchmaker

 

This particular one isn't the most exciting but it feels reasonable from a value perspective.  If the 2nd they get is ultimately a later one, then there might need to be an add-on to balance the difference.

[Lanes World]

That makes a lot of sense. 
 

A second for Evans is a pretty good return
 

The second can be part of a package moving forward

[Commandant]

25 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

A proposal from Daily Faceoff's Frank Seravalli:

 

To Toronto: Jake Evans
To Montreal: 2025 FLA 2nd Round Pick, Roni Hirvonen

 

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/playing-hockeys-doctor-love-2025-trade-deadline-matchmaker

 

This particular one isn't the most exciting but it feels reasonable from a value perspective.  If the 2nd they get is ultimately a later one, then there might need to be an add-on to balance the difference.

 

I'd want something better than Hirvonen as the add on.  Maybe someone like Topi Niemela

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

1 hour ago, Commandant said:

 

I'd want something better than Hirvonen as the add on.  Maybe someone like Topi Niemela

 

Agreed, Hirvonen does nothing for me, a small 23 year old center who has 8 goals in the AHL this year (even Florian has more and he is younger). I think the Habs can do better than this if they are trading Evans. 

[dlbalr]

3 hours ago, Commandant said:

I'd want something better than Hirvonen as the add on.  Maybe someone like Topi Niemela

 

Yeah, I'm not too enthralled with Hirvonen either.  (Niemela is intriguing but he's going to be waiver-eligible soon, I think.)  

[Commandant]

9 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

 

Yeah, I'm not too enthralled with Hirvonen either.  (Niemela is intriguing but he's going to be waiver-eligible soon, I think.)  

 

I was just thinking he's a RHD, you deal Savard and give him a bunch of games in the NHL to see if he's ready to be a 6th defenceman next season. 

 

Might not work, but its better than Hirvonen who I see as a career AHLer/European pro at this point. 

[dreegking]

I think Reinbacher will be top four next year. He has missed so much development time with injuries and a lot depends  how he finishes the year.  I expect a strong finish. 
 

but I think the Habs love him and fully expect him to be a middle pair player next year. This is the main reason why Savard is a lock to be traded before the trade deadline. Despite the coaches loving his presence. 
 

I still believe Reinbacher was a truly deserving 5th pick and soon he will be Tanev esque. 

[dreegking]

I think going into next year Cozens is the missing ingredient for this team to make a major jump forward. I’m curious to see just how much they offer to get him. I suspect a first and second and maybe even Evans.  

[dreegking]

On 2/19/2025 at 9:24 PM, dlbalr said:

A proposal from Daily Faceoff's Frank Seravalli:

 

To Toronto: Jake Evans
To Montreal: 2025 FLA 2nd Round Pick, Roni Hirvonen

 

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/playing-hockeys-doctor-love-2025-trade-deadline-matchmaker

 

This particular one isn't the most exciting but it feels reasonable from a value perspective.  If the 2nd they get is ultimately a later one, then there might need to be an add-on to balance the difference.

They have enough picks in a weaker draft year. I think they have to give up one of their top three prospects to get Evans. Who truly is exactly what they need and puts them into real contender territory. 
 

I’d suggest Minten and Grebenkin need to be in play should they want Evans. Theres going to be good offers. And a mere second round draft pick will not get the job done for a player who makes a real difference on the penalty kill and is a bonfide third line centre in full rotation.  

Edited February 23 by dreegking

[dreegking]

On 2/8/2025 at 5:50 PM, DON said:

I loved the trades, didnt know Dach at all but liked the effort at adding a young pro centre for a d-man.

You wanted to keep Romanov? Or the pick they got for Romanov?

Newhook had 15g in 55gms on a pretty weak team last year and only makes $2.9. Could be a 3rd liner, we shall see.

 Dach is invisible once again. Newhook contributes here and there like all third liners. 
 

we gave up to much. So we disagree. Those trades have not actually turned out at this point. And I don’t expect either players to rise. Rather, fade. As they are doing so in the Habs future. I expect both to be third liners or fourth next year. As they have become this year. 

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

13 hours ago, dreegking said:

 Dach is invisible once again. Newhook contributes here and there like all third liners. 
 

we gave up to much. So we disagree. Those trades have not actually turned out at this point. And I don’t expect either players to rise. Rather, fade. As they are doing so in the Habs future. I expect both to be third liners or fourth next year. As they have become this year. 

 

I think two second rounders was a surprisingly reasonable return for Newhook, considering how long the odds are of a 2nd-rounder making the NHL and having a substantial career. It helps, admittedly, that the Habs are swimming in picks and prospects. But if you had two 2nd round picks and got one Newhook out of them, you’d have to regard that as a successful outcome, probabilities-wise. So that was a totally reasonable return, despite the widespread belief that the Habs got fleeced.

 

On Dach, well, that return was MUCH higher. We surrendered both Romanov (a solid bottom-pairing LD) **and** what’s often overlooked, the opportunity cost of not drafting Nazar or whomever else we wanted at 13th overall. To my mind, evaluating that trade longer-term will require an assessment of how Nazar pans out (assuming the Habs would have picked him in that spot). 

 

But in terms of Dach/Newhook as players, you’re right. The former has not looked anything like a core piece this season, and the latter was never going to be anything more than a secondary guy.

 

This will be a huge offseason for both. 

[Commandant]

2 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

I think two second rounders was a surprisingly reasonable return for Newhook, considering how long the odds are of a 2nd-rounder making the NHL and having a substantial career. It helps, admittedly, that the Habs are swimming in picks and prospects. But if you had two 2nd round picks and got one Newhook out of them, you’d have to regard that as a successful outcome, probabilities-wise. So that was a totally reasonable return, despite the widespread belief that the Habs got fleeced.

 

On Dach, well, that return was MUCH higher. We surrendered both Romanov (a solid bottom-pairing LD) **and** what’s often overlooked, the opportunity cost of not drafting Nazar or whomever else we wanted at 13th overall. To my mind, evaluating that trade longer-term will require an assessment of how Nazar pans out (assuming the Habs would have picked him in that spot). 

 

But in terms of Dach/Newhook as players, you’re right. The former has not looked anything like a core piece this season, and the latter was never going to be anything more than a secondary guy.

 

This will be a huge offseason for both. 

 

We didnt surrender both Romanov and the pick.

 

We traded romanov for the pick and then the pick for dach.

 

We never could have had both romanov and the pick

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

4 minutes ago, Commandant said:

 

We didnt surrender both Romanov and the pick.

 

We traded romanov for the pick and then the pick for dach.

 

We never could have had both romanov and the pick

 

Thanks, yes, that’s right. My memory is always imprecise. Sorry.

 

So I would amend my post to “we gave up reasonable value for Dach, but the ultimate assessment of that trade will depend both on Dach’s performance and how Nazar performs.”

 

I would say that Romanov for Dach straight up was a reasonable play. 🤷‍♂️ But if Dach never improves on his wretched play this season, then it will be an L in the trade category even though we don’t really miss Romanov.

[DON]

I still like the idea behind the 2 trades, even if dosent pay off as hoped.

Dach if panned out could of been huge piece behind Suzuki, but seems unlikely. See how he does after a healthy off-season training, hoepfully comes back a more consistent positive player.

Hope Newhook didnt peak last year; 15g 34pts 55gms.

That offense over 82 games would look good, anyways hopefully he has a big finish to this season.

[dlbalr]

14 hours ago, dreegking said:

I think going into next year Cozens is the missing ingredient for this team to make a major jump forward. I’m curious to see just how much they offer to get him. I suspect a first and second and maybe even Evans.  

 

I don't think a pending UFA in Evans is of much interest to a non-playoff team.  And the price to get him will be more than a 1st and a 2nd.  Buffalo has no reason to take that at this point.  It'd be one thing if they were cap-strapped and needed the cap room but they're well under the maximum already.  If they move Cozens, it's probably going to be for a similar player in that age/control bracket.

[dreegking]

On 2/24/2025 at 2:16 AM, dlbalr said:

 

I don't think a pending UFA in Evans is of much interest to a non-playoff team.  And the price to get him will be more than a 1st and a 2nd.  Buffalo has no reason to take that at this point.  It'd be one thing if they were cap-strapped and needed the cap room but they're well under the maximum already.  If they move Cozens, it's probably going to be for a similar player in that age/control bracket.

Ya good point. 

 

[dreegking]

On 2/24/2025 at 1:31 AM, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

Thanks, yes, that’s right. My memory is always imprecise. Sorry.

 

So I would amend my post to “we gave up reasonable value for Dach, but the ultimate assessment of that trade will depend both on Dach’s performance and how Nazar performs.”

 

I would say that Romanov for Dach straight up was a reasonable play. 🤷‍♂️ But if Dach never improves on his wretched play this season, then it will be an L in the trade category even though we don’t really miss Romanov.

Dach is one of the least important and worst forwards on the team. He will not be getting power play time going forward. He isn't used on penalty kill. 

He is on the worst line 5 on 5. 

 

I for one hope that Dach's offseason is somehow somewhere else. When in the lineup this team looks like it looks when he is not in the lineup. An indictment on his importance for sure. He makes no difference. This team plays as good without him or not. 

[dreegking]

I don't feel this time would be wise to not resign one of Armia or Evans. Or at least not trade both at the deadline. I'd prefer we kept both and just see what happens with the rest of the season. 

[alfredoh2009]

I somewhat disagree:

1 hour ago, dreegking said:

Dach is one of the least important and worst forwards on the team. He will not be getting power play time going forward. He isn't used on penalty kill. 

He is on the worst line 5 on 5. 

 

I for one hope that Dach's offseason is somehow somewhere else. When in the lineup this team looks like it looks when he is not in the lineup. An indictment on his importance for sure. He makes no difference. This team plays as good without him or not. 

 

the "Dach" that HughGort traded for was meant to be an important player and he still is, but he has been playing like one of the worst. I still see him as a 3rd line center on this team

 

1 hour ago, dreegking said:

I don't feel this time would be wise to not resign one of Armia or Evans. Or at least not trade both at the deadline. I'd prefer we kept both and just see what happens with the rest of the season. 

 

I do not think Evans will re resigned. Evans has outgrown his role on this team, and the timing of his evolution does not mesh well with what the team needs.

and Armia, he is a good 4th liner and PK specialist but too expensive for the Habs.

 

I would prefer to see them both traded instead of loosing them when they calk as free agents in the summer.

[Dalhabs]

If we win both games against the sabres and the jackets and/or detroit lose abit I think its better for team morale and development to stay very calm at deadline. Maybe even see if there is any trade there to improve our team.

Mostly prefered for now AND next couple of years. 

No rentals except the ones we keep instead of trading away.

[DON]

Trades Evans and Flames 1st to contender for good young NHL/AHL prospect, vs trading away Evans for a 2nd perhaps?

[alfredoh2009]

Just now, DON said:

Trades Evans and Flames 1st to contender for good young NHL/AHL prospect, vs trading away Evans for a 2nd perhaps?

That is a fantastic idea!!!

[Commandant]

5 minutes ago, DON said:

Trades Evans and Flames 1st to contender for good young NHL/AHL prospect, vs trading away Evans for a 2nd perhaps?

 

The team acquiring evans is likely to be a contender. 

 

Why do they want to trade a young NHLer or an AHLer who is close to the NHL, and get a pick that doesn't help them for a lot longer down the road.

 

They likely need that young talent that can help them in the immediate future more than the first rounder. 

 

If you want to move that first rounder for immediate help, its likely a trade you can make around the draft rather than at the deadline.  When you get more teams involved and don't have it tied to Evans.  You also can include the second from Evans deal if you need to do two pieces. 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

47 minutes ago, DON said:

Trades Evans and Flames 1st to contender for good young NHL/AHL prospect, vs trading away Evans for a 2nd perhaps?

 

The difficult thing with trading the Flames 1st, especially right now, is that it's difficult to value as we don't know where it will be. It could be 12, 18 or maybe high 20's if the Flames fade down the stretch and finish bottom 10.  If it's low teens then you better get a decent return but you don't know that now.