Permanent Trade Proposal Thread

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

9 hours ago, dreegking said:

Dach is one of the least important and worst forwards on the team. He will not be getting power play time going forward. He isn't used on penalty kill. 

He is on the worst line 5 on 5. 

 

I for one hope that Dach's offseason is somehow somewhere else. When in the lineup this team looks like it looks when he is not in the lineup. An indictment on his importance for sure. He makes no difference. This team plays as good without him or not. 

 

You've given up on Dach and I can understand why. He'll be 25 next year and has done nothing in four NHL seasons. The lost season is a serious concern, but rationally can't explain why he has sucked for 50 games this year.

 

There is another Dach, though - the guy who looked really impressive for about 1/3 of the 2022-23 season.

 

"Today's" Dach may not be important to the team, but the other guy is structurally crucial to the rebuild. Without him, we don't have a 2nd-line C. And without depth at C, this team will never win anything. 

 

Of course, we can always go UFA shopping or try another trade. I know Beck is the shiny new thing right now, but talk to me about him around next January before I start pencilling him in.

 

Before giving up on Dach once and for all, I would give him one more summer. Meanwhile, Hugo should keep their eyes open for 2nd-line C options. 

 

I do think, though, that the clock is running out for him. If he still sucks through the first couple of months next year, then yeah, start thinking of him as a 3rd or even 4th-line C forever. Jake Evans II.

 

 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

Just realized the trade deadline is next Friday March 7

 

Only a week to go

[dreegking]

On 2/28/2025 at 11:54 PM, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

You've given up on Dach and I can understand why. He'll be 25 next year and has done nothing in four NHL seasons. The lost season is a serious concern, but rationally can't explain why he has sucked for 50 games this year.

 

There is another Dach, though - the guy who looked really impressive for about 1/3 of the 2022-23 season.

 

"Today's" Dach may not be important to the team, but the other guy is structurally crucial to the rebuild. Without him, we don't have a 2nd-line C. And without depth at C, this team will never win anything. 

 

Of course, we can always go UFA shopping or try another trade. I know Beck is the shiny new thing right now, but talk to me about him around next January before I start pencilling him in.

 

Before giving up on Dach once and for all, I would give him one more summer. Meanwhile, Hugo should keep their eyes open for 2nd-line C options. 

 

I do think, though, that the clock is running out for him. If he still sucks through the first couple of months next year, then yeah, start thinking of him as a 3rd or even 4th-line C forever. Jake Evans II.

 

 

Yes. This.

I think he’s been overrated because of a dozen games for which he was overrated during even those - arguably.
He has been given so much opportunity in his career and good Linemates and all he does is not perform. He’s fragile and not clever. He’s proving to be a third or fourth liner. I feel next year will be his last in a Habs uniform. Thankfully. 

I would bet 3:1 odds that he can't stay healthy next year also and will miss significant time. Lielty not finishing the season. But def getting hurt for a chunk. 

[dreegking]

On 2/28/2025 at 11:56 PM, Prime Minister Koivu said:

Just realized the trade deadline is next Friday March 7

 

Only a week to go

It heated up today with Seth jones on the move. 

[skifaster]

Saw BC play Vermont last weekend.  I feel like Jacob Fowler will definitely need a couple years in the AHL before making the jump to the NHL.  But that is not why I'm here

 

The Bruins 2024 first round draft pick was Dean Letourneau:  https://bceagles.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/roster/dean-letourneau/25322

 

He is huge and can skate (doesn't look like a baby giraffe on skates).  I wonder if Montreal can work a trade for him with Evans and/or Armia.

 

 

[Commandant]

Boston is likely a seller, not a buyer at the deadline.  Even given the fact that Montreal and Boston rarely make trades with each other, even if they were willing to make a trade with the Habs, they are looking to move their own free agents (see Trent Frederic) for picks and prospects, not trade prospects for FAs. 

 

That said, Dean Letorneau doesn't exactly look like a great pick right now.... 0 goals, 3 assists in 32 games is absolute shit.  Yes, its hard to be a freshman in the NCAA, but that is ####ing garbage for a stat line.  Who cares if he's 6'7", i don't think he's very good. 

[hab29RETIRED]

3 hours ago, Commandant said:

Boston is likely a seller, not a buyer at the deadline.  Even given the fact that Montreal and Boston rarely make trades with each other, even if they were willing to make a trade with the Habs, they are looking to move their own free agents (see Trent Frederic) for picks and prospects, not trade prospects for FAs. 

 

That said, Dean Letorneau doesn't exactly look like a great pick right now.... 0 goals, 3 assists in 32 games is absolute shit.  Yes, its hard to be a freshman in the NCAA, but that is ####ing garbage for a stat line.  Who cares if he's 6'7", i don't think he's very good. 

What you don’t think he will be a star like McCarron?? At least he wasn’t picked as early as McCarron!

[hab29RETIRED]

I’ve read that Minny is interested in Evans and Armia and also has holes in D. Last year there was a lot of talk of a lot of teams interested in wifi and at some point a team was even willing to give up a first for him.
 

What are the chances of moving Evans, Armia with 50% retention and Wifi for Buium? Would adding  Calgary’s 1st get it done?  
 

if we could get Buium, would solidify the RHD depth.

[Commandant]

I don't think Minny is moving Buium for a couple of 3rd and 4th liners even if you add a pick to it. I don't think quantity makes up for quality. I think it would take something like getting a legit star player to move him and I don't see the Habs doing that.  I'm thinking they would need a guy like Rantanen or something to move a Buium. 

[GHT120]

19 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

What you don’t think he will be a star like McCarron?? At least he wasn’t picked as early as McCarron!

Chronologically ... but both 25th overall

[dlbalr]

24 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

I’ve read that Minny is interested in Evans and Armia and also has holes in D. Last year there was a lot of talk of a lot of teams interested in wifi and at some point a team was even willing to give up a first for him.
 

What are the chances of moving Evans, Armia with 50% retention and Wifi for Buium? Would adding  Calgary’s 1st get it done?  

 

Minnesota did have interest but balked at the asking price for Evans and pivoted to Nyquist.  They're now in a money-in, money-out situation unless one of Kaprizov/Eriksson Ek is out for the rest of the season which would allow them to use LTIR room.

 

And, as Commandant noted above, that offer has no chance of landing Buium, nor could they afford adding those players.

[hab29RETIRED]

1 hour ago, dlbalr said:

 

Minnesota did have interest but balked at the asking price for Evans and pivoted to Nyquist.  They're now in a money-in, money-out situation unless one of Kaprizov/Eriksson Ek is out for the rest of the season which would allow them to use LTIR room.

 

And, as Commandant noted above, that offer has no chance of landing Buium, nor could they afford adding those players.

Didn’t think so. They aren’t close enough to sacrifice a prospect like Buium to go for it, but a RHD like Buium and a top 2 centre are what we need to take to take a significant step forward once Demidov arrives. 

[Commandant]

5 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

Didn’t think so. They aren’t close enough to sacrifice a prospect like Buium to go for it, but a RHD like Buium and a top 2 centre are what we need to take to take a significant step forward once Demidov arrives. 

 

I disagree.

 

Between Hutson and Mailloux (And still having Matheson), I think the puck moving part of the defence will be taken care of.  I like Buium and I wouldn't say no to him, but I don't think its the biggest need. 

 

They need Reinbacher to become at minimum a Guhle level of player on the Right side, or if he doesn't become that, that's the position they need to fill, someone who can play a shutdown role and go out against top lines and on the PK. 

[tomh009]

9 minutes ago, Commandant said:

They need Reinbacher to become at minimum a Guhle level of player on the Right side, or if he doesn't become that, that's the position they need to fill, someone who can play a shutdown role and go out against top lines and on the PK. 

Assuming Reinbacher does turn into a Guhle-level D (or better), do you feel that Reinbacher-Mailloux-Carrier would be sufficient on the right? To me, Carrier feels like a very credible 3RD, who can play occasionally 2RD when needed. At 28, he should have some good years left yet, too.

[Commandant]

16 minutes ago, tomh009 said:

Assuming Reinbacher does turn into a Guhle-level D (or better), do you feel that Reinbacher-Mailloux-Carrier would be sufficient on the right? To me, Carrier feels like a very credible 3RD, who can play occasionally 2RD when needed. At 28, he should have some good years left yet, too.

 

I think Carrier is credible as a 2nd pair.

 

I think that would be, assuming that Mailloux also develops into at least a PP specialist and 3rd pair D.  

 

Those two (Mailloux and Reinbacher) are really key, with Reinbacher needing to be the true top pairing guy. 

 

Something like (in 2-3 years)

 

Hutson - Reinbacher

Guhle - Carrier

Xhekaj/Struble - Mailloux

 

Could be a good D.

 

Mattheson probably has another year with us and might even be re-signed too. 

 

To me, given what we are seeing with Dach's injuries, we need to prioritize #2C, and hope the two RD work out (or we get another good RD via the draft or another trade), but the offseason has to be about finding a #2 C for next year. 

 

[hab29RETIRED]

2 hours ago, Commandant said:

 

I think Carrier is credible as a 2nd pair.

 

I think that would be, assuming that Mailloux also develops into at least a PP specialist and 3rd pair D.  

 

Those two (Mailloux and Reinbacher) are really key, with Reinbacher needing to be the true top pairing guy. 

 

Something like (in 2-3 years)

 

Hutson - Reinbacher

Guhle - Carrier

Xhekaj/Struble - Mailloux

 

Could be a good D.

 

Mattheson probably has another year with us and might even be re-signed too. 

 

To me, given what we are seeing with Dach's injuries, we need to prioritize #2C, and hope the two RD work out (or we get another good RD via the draft or another trade), but the offseason has to be about finding a #2 C for next year. 

 

Not sure why we wouldn’t want to solidify both. Top RHD and centre. We have the draft captital and prospects to make it happen. I don’t want to hoe that Reinbacher and Mailloux fill the need on RHD, and I certainly don’t want to continue to play young D on the wrong side. I’ve always said next year wa sure year we need to make a legit push to get into the playoffs. 
 

the Reinbacher and Dach injuries has set their development back, but we can’t keep waiting and hoping guys develop. We need more options on RHD and we need a legit 2nd line centre. The plan better not to hope that Hage can fill that role next year, or Daxh will suddenly be healthy and a legit #2 centre.

[Commandant]

12 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

Not sure why we wouldn’t want to solidify both. Top RHD and centre. We have the draft captital and prospects to make it happen. I don’t want to hoe that Reinbacher and Mailloux fill the need on RHD, and I certainly don’t want to continue to play young D on the wrong side. I’ve always said next year wa sure year we need to make a legit push to get into the playoffs. 
 

the Reinbacher and Dach injuries has set their development back, but we can’t keep waiting and hoping guys develop. We need more options on RHD and we need a legit 2nd line centre. The plan better not to hope that Hage can fill that role next year, or Daxh will suddenly be healthy and a legit #2 centre.

 

You can try and do both but there have to be priorities.  If you trade for a Buium type, suddenly you have used a bunch of your best assets on doing that. 

 

To me the priority has to be on addressing the middle and hoping the RD's develop plus adding some picks there.  If that doesn't work out and you need an NHL ready option, they you will need to spend premium assets and money there too. 

 

Its a cap world, you can't do it all, and all at once. 

[dreegking]

Out of left field here - if Van keeps Boeser and moves Pettersson instead…would you seek him as the C to join and elevate the Habs this year and next. Big price. But if so… what would you give up?? Yes. This would be a shocker trade. 
 

three firsts? Two and blue chip type like Hage? A first and Hage and Mailloux? 

[Prime Minister Koivu]

12 minutes ago, dreegking said:

Out of left field here - if Van keeps Boeser and moves Pettersson instead…would you seek him as the C to join and elevate the Habs this year and next. Big price. But if so… what would you give up?? Yes. This would be a shocker trade. 
 

three firsts? Two and blue chip type like Hage? A first and Hage and Mailloux? 

Every once in a while a player just falls off a cliff. They just stop producing and nobody, including the player, can figure out why. 
 

Pettersson might be one of those guys. I’m not paying big assets for this mess. 

[dreegking]

10 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

Every once in a while a player just falls off a cliff. They just stop producing and nobody, including the player, can figure out why. 
 

Pettersson might be one of those guys. I’m not paying big assets for this mess. 

Yes.  It is a gamble. But more likely than not it’s worth it. He is streaky though. But as a second or match up centre, poor streaks are Less. I could see Pettersen and Demidov looking mighty fine beside each other next year.

[Prime Minister Koivu]

1 hour ago, dreegking said:

Yes.  It is a gamble. But more likely than not it’s worth it. He is streaky though. But as a second or match up centre, poor streaks are Less. I could see Pettersen and Demidov looking mighty fine beside each other next year.

It’s also quite possible that a change of scenery re-ignites Pettersson’s production. 
 

Huge risk to take on at an extremely high cost. 

[Commandant]

2 hours ago, dreegking said:

Out of left field here - if Van keeps Boeser and moves Pettersson instead…would you seek him as the C to join and elevate the Habs this year and next. Big price. But if so… what would you give up?? Yes. This would be a shocker trade. 
 

three firsts? Two and blue chip type like Hage? A first and Hage and Mailloux? 

 

With his contract and his production, I'm not touching him with a 30 foot poll.... and I would be very upset to give up 3 firsts (or similar prospect capital) for him.  That's crazy to me. 

[Commandant]

2 hours ago, dreegking said:

Yes.  It is a gamble. But more likely than not it’s worth it. He is streaky though. But as a second or match up centre, poor streaks are Less. I could see Pettersen and Demidov looking mighty fine beside each other next year.

 

"More likely than not its worth it".... I don't see anything to suggest that is true.   Not the "more likely than not"

[tomh009]

He might indeed be a nice 2C, but at $10M+ and signed until 2032? No thanks.

[Commandant]

Dreger says that the Habs and Evans haven't ruled out the possibility of an extension and that contract talks continue.