Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 4 hours ago, dreegking said: Out of left field here - if Van keeps Boeser and moves Pettersson instead…would you seek him as the C to join and elevate the Habs this year and next. Big price. But if so… what would you give up?? Yes. This would be a shocker trade. three firsts? Two and blue chip type like Hage? A first and Hage and Mailloux? Nope, Petersson's recent production and cap hit scare the heck out of me. It could be one of those trades that really comes back to haunt you and limits flexibility going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Nope, Petersson's recent production and cap hit scare the heck out of me. It could be one of those trades that really comes back to haunt you and limits flexibility going forward. Petey's production collapsed in the second half of last season and has been a disaster this year. That's almost a season and a half. The excuses were (a) he was worried about his contract; the team gave him one (b) he needed a winger; the team got him DeBrusk; (c) he hated Miller; the team dumped Miller. And he still sucks. The final argument is that he has tendonitis in the knee. Careful analysis has revealed that the number of Pettersson's 'bursts' while skating have plummeted over the same time span. He's publicly said he needs to move his feet, but he's still not doing it - perhaps because it hurts every time. Tocchet has been rather dismissive of this factor, but to my mind the evidence points to it being a cause. I'm not a medical doctor, but if a guy has been hobbled by an injury for a season and a half, that's moving into 'damaged goods' territory. If EP heals up and return to form, he is a brilliant C. But I would rather not take that risk. I don't think we are, as an organization, in a position where we need to take an all-or-nothing swing like that. We have a #1C and just need a #1A or legit #2. No need to take that risk on an $11.5 million cap hit. A team like Buffalo might perhaps make more sense, or maybe a team like the Islanders looking to stay competitive with an aging core. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 5 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Petey's production collapsed in the second half of last season and has been a disaster this year. That's almost a season and a half. The excuses were (a) he was worried about his contract; the team gave him one (b) he needed a winger; the team got him DeBrusk; (c) he hated Miller; the team dumped Miller. And he still sucks. The final argument is that he has tendonitis in the knee. Careful analysis has revealed that the number of Pettersson's 'bursts' while skating have plummeted over the same time span. He's publicly said he needs to move his feet, but he's still not doing it - perhaps because it hurts every time. Tocchet has been rather dismissive of this factor, but to my mind the evidence points to it being a cause. I'm not a medical doctor, but if a guy has been hobbled by an injury for a season and a half, that's moving into 'damaged goods' territory. If EP heals up and return to form, he is a brilliant C. But I would rather not take that risk. I don't think we are, as an organization, in a position where we need to take an all-or-nothing swing like that. We have a #1C and just need a #1A or legit #2. No need to take that risk on an $11.5 million cap hit. A team like Buffalo might perhaps make more sense, or maybe a team like the Islanders looking to stay competitive with an aging core. That’s good info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I’d like the Habs to resign Armia. But more importantly be renters this year. my vote is to add Nelson from the Islanders. As a rental. This allows the Habs to take a run at each level and build a winning culture. Send Beck down. Replace him either Nelson. Let both the Habs and the Rockets chase playoff wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 31 minutes ago, dreegking said: But more importantly be renters this year. Why? Toss away assets for what reason? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted March 4 Author Share Posted March 4 50 minutes ago, dreegking said: I’d like the Habs to resign Armia. But more importantly be renters this year. my vote is to add Nelson from the Islanders. As a rental. This allows the Habs to take a run at each level and build a winning culture. Send Beck down. Replace him either Nelson. Let both the Habs and the Rockets chase playoff wins. You do know the asking price for Nelson (if he moves) is going to start with a first-round pick, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, dreegking said: I’d like the Habs to resign Armia. But more importantly be renters this year. my vote is to add Nelson from the Islanders. As a rental. This allows the Habs to take a run at each level and build a winning culture. Send Beck down. Replace him either Nelson. Let both the Habs and the Rockets chase playoff wins. That's a trade you make when you are a legitimate contender. As mentioned previously the cost would be a 1st round pick minimum. I would rather use that pick and maybe package it with another to get a young top 6 forward that will be around for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 32 minutes ago, dlbalr said: You do know the asking price for Nelson (if he moves) is going to start with a first-round pick, right? I would pay the asking price since it fixed the 2C shortfall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 44 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I would pay the asking price since it fixed the 2C shortfall It fixes it for 20 games and then he's UFA. If he wants to sign for 2 years (I doubt it), I'd be interested in July, but not giving up a first round pick for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 53 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I would pay the asking price since it fixed the 2C shortfall For six weeks, sure. I'm not parting with a first-round pick as a rebuilding team for a six-week upgrade. The Habs are still very iffy at best to make the playoffs here so parting with significant future assets for a short-term rental isn't a great idea. If it was someone signed for several seasons, that'd be a different story but not for a pure rental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, DON said: Why? Toss away assets for what reason? Because calculated acquisitions, even rentals, inspire believe. Playoffs are building blocks and success often comes in stages. All of which matter more than a couple picks or one. for which they hav many. Nelson brings talent and would be a perfect fit and let Beck and that gang also learn about and experience a playoff Cup chase. In short - building winners and showing belief is more important that a second round pick or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: That's a trade you make when you are a legitimate contender. As mentioned previously the cost would be a 1st round pick minimum. I would rather use that pick and maybe package it with another to get a young top 6 forward that will be around for a while. I disagree. Nelson is a benefit regardless. Trades like this matter. Always. If the cupboard was bare in upcoming picks - no. It is not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Trading for Nelson, or any other pending UFA band-aid, would I-M-O be the very definition of not following the plan ... If they could use the first (if that is all it would take) to get a 2C who even gave them next season I might be on board but not for 20 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 8 minutes ago, dreegking said: In short - building winners and showing belief is more important that a second round pick or so. Except Nelson is going to cost way more than a second. It's a first and then at least one other pick by the looks of it as he's the top rental C available. Just because the Habs have lots of draft picks doesn't mean a non-playoff team trading some high picks for a six-week rental is a good idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 24 minutes ago, dreegking said: Because calculated acquisitions, even rentals, inspire believe. Playoffs are building blocks and success often comes in stages. All of which matter more than a couple picks or one. for which they hav many. Nelson brings talent and would be a perfect fit and let Beck and that gang also learn about and experience a playoff Cup chase. In short - building winners and showing belief is more important that a second round pick or so. I agree that there is value to playing meaningful hockey and the experience it gives young players. I don't agree that said value is worth trading first round picks for rentals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 30 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Trading for Nelson, or any other pending UFA band-aid, would I-M-O be the very definition of not following the plan ... If they could use the first (if that is all it would take) to get a 2C who even gave them next season I might be on board but not for 20 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Make the playoffs without selling the farm. It matters. Nelson would be a great add at this juncture - of course it goes without saying that it depends not he cost. Id give a second round. Playoffs and winning matters. Right now even. To sniff it is nice, but there is more to be learned by getting into the playoffs. We disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 12 minutes ago, dreegking said: Make the playoffs without selling the farm. It matters. Nelson would be a great add at this juncture - of course it goes without saying that it depends not he cost. Id give a second round. Playoffs and winning matters. Right now even. To sniff it is nice, but there is more to be learned by getting into the playoffs. We disagree. The issue is that you are not getting Nelson for a 2nd round pick. I'd like to trade a second round pick for Connor McDavid too, but that simply is not happening. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, dlbalr said: For six weeks, sure. I'm not parting with a first-round pick as a rebuilding team for a six-week upgrade. The Habs are still very iffy at best to make the playoffs here so parting with significant future assets for a short-term rental isn't a great idea. If it was someone signed for several seasons, that'd be a different story but not for a pure rental. I have not read any report about the likeability to resign Nelson. If we assume it is possible even if costly, Ineould swing for it. It would make them more likely to make the playoffs this season even if for one round. It would solidify the top-6. sending the worst of the two first round picks plus Primeau plus later pick (3rd, 4th) would work for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 5 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I have not read any report about the likeability to resign Nelson. If we assume it is possible even if costly, Ineould swing for it. It would make them more likely to make the playoffs this season even if for one round. It would solidify the top-6. sending the worst of the two first round picks plus Primeau plus later pick (3rd, 4th) would work for me I'd put the odds of re-signing Nelson as pretty low. The belief seems to be he'll stay in the US with Minnesota as the speculated landing spot. A first-round pick for a slightly higher percentage chance to make the playoffs just isn't worth it unless you're getting someone who's guaranteed to be a longer-term contributor. It's not like adding him would make Montreal a legitimate contender; I don't think they'd get a Wild Card spot with him on the team. If they want to offer that package for Cozens (which won't get him), fine. He's young and will be around for a bit. Moving a first is defensible. But for a pure rental, be it Nelson or any other pending UFA without an extension as part of any trade? That would be a big mistake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, dreegking said: I disagree. Nelson is a benefit regardless. Trades like this matter. Always. If the cupboard was bare in upcoming picks - no. It is not Fair enough, I see the benefit of adding a Brock Nelson, I just don't think Hughes is willing to pay that price until they are a contender. The Habs might not even make the playoffs even with adding him which would be a real waste of a fairly high pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 42 minutes ago, dreegking said: Make the playoffs without selling the farm. It matters. Nelson would be a great add at this juncture - of course it goes without saying that it depends not he cost. Id give a second round. Playoffs and winning matters. Right now even. To sniff it is nice, but there is more to be learned by getting into the playoffs. We disagree. *** IF *** it cost a 2nd round pick I might consider it ... but I seriously doubt that is ever happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canajun Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 2/6/2025 at 6:50 PM, Commandant said: Demidov has "some defensive acumen"... what? No he's a defensive issue in the KHL and as much as I think SKA has been over the top with it, its part of the reason for his low minutes, and thats playing on the wing, not at centre. But to think hes immediately gonna be an NHL centre and on a line with two other defensive liabilities in Ehlers and Laine. Wow. That line might set records for xGA and goals against. Then you have Newhook at centre, position that the team wont put him at this year. Yeah i dont see that as a lineup. It was a month ago, but I mentioned I would post if I found info pertaining to the defensive acumen of Demidov: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said: I have not read any report about the likeability to resign Nelson. If we assume it is possible even if costly, Ineould swing for it. It would make them more likely to make the playoffs this season even if for one round. It would solidify the top-6. sending the worst of the two first round picks plus Primeau plus later pick (3rd, 4th) would work for me I like this also. That works. Building winning matters. More games matters. Making the playoffs means more games. And Beck can grow by helping the AHL in a big way. Also for his development. Just my thoughts. Nothing much ever replaces winning. Win. Win. Win. Renting Nelson makes a lot of sense - even at the cost you shared imo. Or something like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: *** IF *** it cost a 2nd round pick I might consider it ... but I seriously doubt that is ever happening. What is fair? He ain't young and he's a FA. It's tough to know what value is at his age. But I suspect you are right. Might take a couple high draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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