dreegking Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Fair enough, I see the benefit of adding a Brock Nelson, I just don't think Hughes is willing to pay that price until they are a contender. The Habs might not even make the playoffs even with adding him which would be a real waste of a fairly high pick. True. It is always a. gamble. They might not But I really like their chances by adding a piece like this. I hope they are buyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Canajun said: It was a month ago, but I mentioned I would post if I found info pertaining to the defensive acumen of Demidov: A few things. Not being as big a liability as Michkov doesnt meant that Demidov is good enough defensively to play centre at the NHL level. His defensive stats are still a negative in that chart, just not as negative as Michkov is. Michkov is a defensive liabillty and has been benched by Torts for it at the NHL level. They are also on a much stronger team than Michov played for as SKA is better than Sochi... so hes getting help. The stats are also are as a winger and not a centre. Again, i stand by my point, there is zero evidence that Demidov is good enoigh defensively as a winger in the KHL, to suggest he can immediately make the jump to #2C in the NHL next year. And to say he can do it with a line of Laine and Ehlers who are both liabilities defensively in their own right? I think its an insane plan. Its an absolutely monumental ask for him to be a 19 year old, nhl rookie, playing on smaller ice, transition from wing to centre, and carry two defensive liabilities in Ehlers and Laine. And to do it not for a team that is in the opening stages of a rebuild, but next year when we want to compete for a playoff spot? Thats not a realistic expectation in year one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 26 minutes ago, dreegking said: True. It is always a. gamble. They might not But I really like their chances by adding a piece like this. I hope they are buyers. They are around 15% to make the playoffs. It would be great if they did it but I dont like their chances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 30 minutes ago, dreegking said: What is fair? He ain't young and he's a FA. It's tough to know what value is at his age. But I suspect you are right. Might take a couple high draft picks. The market is the market, and reliable people like Lebrun, Johnston and Dreger are all suggesting that teams have already offered a 1st for Nelson and the isles think they can get more. Given that Frederic was just traded, and Evans is off the market.... and even before that happened, Nelson was considered the number 1 centre on the market (amd maybe best player if we think carolina keeps rantanen) the cost is not going to be cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Commandant said: The market is the market, and reliable people like Lebrun, Johnston and Dreger are all suggesting that teams have already offered a 1st for Nelson and the isles think they can get more. Given that Frederic was just traded, and Evans is off the market.... and even before that happened, Nelson was considered the number 1 centre on the market (amd maybe best player if we think carolina keeps rantanen) the cost is not going to be cheap. interesting. Then that is that. Nope. For some teams it could mean a better chance at championship. so a first is understood, I guess. We see it all the time. I was hoping the market may be different this year and a second and a third might get it done. Then stay the course. That is the next best option that serves this year and next. DO nothing would be my approach. Show faith by merely doing nothing. I am more than OK with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 to PHI: Cayden Primeau(G) on AHL roster to MTL: Aleksei Kolosov(G) on AHL roster With draft picks on either side to make it work. Maybe AHLer swaps Both goaltenders seem to be at then end of their development road with their teams, Kolosov has on emore year before RFA. PHI gets Keith's son into their organization, and a chance to prepare for new contract and evaluation next camp. Although they seem to have decent depth at G, if Primeau's confidence improves by being in his dad's old tean, it si a win for them. MTL gets a goalie on the outside looking in with similar potential to Primeau, but with one more waiver exempt years left. Between Dobes and Kolosov, the Rocket may have a good top coalie in Laval and more flexibility on who they recall to backup Montembeault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Why is Philly giving up a 23 year old who they have used in the NHL this year, and while he hasn't been great, has been superior to Primeau (who is 2 years older and again, about to be UFA). Its going to take more than being Keith's son for that. Kolosov hasn't been great, his GSAx is -0.437 per 60. But Primeau is double that at -1.088 per 60 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dlbalr Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 22 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: to PHI: Cayden Primeau(G) on AHL roster to MTL: Aleksei Kolosov(G) on AHL roster With draft picks on either side to make it work. Maybe AHLer swaps Both goaltenders seem to be at then end of their development road with their teams, Kolosov has on emore year before RFA. How is Kolosov at the end of his development road? It's his first full season in North America. He's also the one who has an agreement that if they send him to the minors, he can (and will) go back to Russia. That's why he's been up with Philly for most of the year since late October; he's not with Lehigh Valley right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Kolosov is nearing the end of his stint in the AHL and PHI needs to make a decision. From what I read on PHI boards and reporting, PHI seems happy with their NHL tandem, so there is no room for Kolosov in either team and it is too much of a gamble for them to make a call. He could fill a backup role with the Habs this season. The Habs could send Dobes to Laval and trade Primeau at the AHL to PHI for them to keep him there for now. The Habs would have a better split in MTL and Laval and PHI could end the year with their NHL tandem and with three goalies in the AHL. I believe they have a 33 year old in the AHL that they may trade or release once they get Primeau. I think it works for both teams. Draft picks can be added from either side to make it work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 20 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: Kolosov is nearing the end of his stint in the AHL and PHI needs to make a decision. From what I read on PHI boards and reporting, PHI seems happy with their NHL tandem, so there is no room for Kolosov in either team and it is too much of a gamble for them to make a call. He could fill a backup role with the Habs this season. The Habs could send Dobes to Laval and trade Primeau at the AHL to PHI for them to keep him there for now. The Habs would have a better split in MTL and Laval and PHI could end the year with their NHL tandem and with three goalies in the AHL. I believe they have a 33 year old in the AHL that they may trade or release once they get Primeau. I think it works for both teams. Draft picks can be added from either side to make it work What stint in the AHL? He's been on the NHL roster since late October, save for a brief stint in January for conditioning. He's going to stay as the number three for the rest of the year and then they'll make a decision in the summer about whether to let him return to Russia or if they're going to try to move Fedotov. They don't have a call to make on him. Considering one is a player who just cleared waivers and one is a recently-turned 23-year-old, the draft pick would be coming from Montreal and would need to be a fairly high one for Philly to justify a move. Despite his stint with Laval, Primeau's value remains quite minimal given a seven-figure salary, one that a lot of teams want no interest in paying to a #3 goalie. If the goal is to get Dobes down, all they need to do is find a veteran plug to go serve as the backup for six weeks that will cost next to nothing to acquire. Kolosov won't cost next to nothing given that he's still a true prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 I don't see why we'd want Kolosov in the NHL. Or AHL. I would rather keep Primeau with Hughes in the AHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 ok, then the dates filter I used was wrong. I tried to only check updates from the last few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 50 minutes ago, tomh009 said: I don't see why we'd want Kolosov in the NHL. Or AHL. I would rather keep Primeau with Hughes in the AHL. yeah, that was my intention: to find a plug. That is why I shared that screen capture on the other thread about teams with poor goaltending this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, tomh009 said: I don't see why we'd want Kolosov in the NHL. Or AHL. I would rather keep Primeau with Hughes in the AHL. Because Primeau is a UFA who is gone this summer and Kolosov is a youngster with untapped potential ... not that it could happen, but if Brière was an idiot I'd do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 38 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Because Primeau is a UFA who is gone this summer and Kolosov is a youngster with untapped potential ... not that it could happen, but if Brière was an idiot I'd do it. Wheeler projects him as a #3/4 goalie so I'm not even sure that I'd do it if Briere were being stupid. By comparison, Wheeler has Dobes projected as a #1B/2, and Fowler higher than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 11 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Wheeler projects him as a #3/4 goalie so I'm not even sure that I'd do it if Briere were being stupid. By comparison, Wheeler has Dobes projected as a #1B/2, and Fowler higher than that. But Primeau is nothing, and will be a UFA in less than 4 months. You'd take the better asset, even if its to flip him down the road. Kolosov just has way more value. If someone offers you a $5 bill for your quarter, you don't say no cause your wallet is full of $20s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 A fair point, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 52 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Wheeler projects him as a #3/4 goalie so I'm not even sure that I'd do it if Briere were being stupid. By comparison, Wheeler has Dobes projected as a #1B/2, and Fowler higher than that. Never said I preferred him over either Dobes or Fowler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 the point is that Dobes has surpassed Primeau in the totem pole, but he still has some potential if he gets a chance to play regularly in another organization. He has done better in Laval that some believe in this forum. I think he has some trade value that can help the Habs improve their roster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 17 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: the point is that Dobes has surpassed Primeau in the totem pole, but he still has some potential if he gets a chance to play regularly in another organization. He has done better in Laval that some believe in this forum. I think he has some trade value that can help the Habs improve their roster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 33 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: the point is that Dobes has surpassed Primeau in the totem pole, but he still has some potential if he gets a chance to play regularly in another organization. He has done better in Laval that some believe in this forum. I think he has some trade value that can help the Habs improve their roster What value? He's on a one-way contract which means he collects his entire NHL salary in the minors. The one-way contract means that any team making a Qualifying offer has to offer him another one-way contract. Which is why no one will do it. He's not a guaranteed NHL player next season. So no one will give him another 700K to play in the AHL. So he's going to be a UFA on July 1st. No owner wants to hear from their GM..... I just acquired this guy, he's gonna be a free agent in July, but we are gonna pay him an NHL salary to play in the AHL, and we are gonna give up assets to do so. It's such a dumb thing to do. He has no value. If you want to trade him, you'd have to give the other team something to take him... and why would the Habs do that, just let him leave in July. Seriously.... this is a really, really dumb idea and I don't know why you are fixated on it, instead of moving on to real trade deadline discussion. His trade value is a negative.... Montreal would have to pay to get rid of him. Any team interested in him will just sign him to a two-way deal in July. He's also about to be 26 years old (before next season starts), ne's not that young anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 15 minutes ago, DON said: hehehe, yeah. Me and a bunch of us in this forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 3 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: the point is that Dobes has surpassed Primeau in the totem pole, but he still has some potential if he gets a chance to play regularly in another organization. He has done better in Laval that some believe in this forum. I think he has some trade value that can help the Habs improve their roster Premieu is unmovable. And if you mean move Dobes, Why would you want to move Dobes??? I’d rather have the Monty-Dobes combo next year. He may remain to be a reliable backup and raise his value even more next year. Or, ho knows maybe he becomes better then Monty. Regardless we have a young D, a young team, I want to good goalies. Why trade Dobes and create another hole??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 minute ago, hab29RETIRED said: Why would you want to move Dobes??? I’d rather have the Monty-Dobes combo next year. He may remain to be a reliable backup and raise his value even more next year. Or, ho knows maybe he becomes better then Monty. Regardless we have a young D, a young team, I want to good goalies. Why trade Dobes and create another hole??? My understanding, in bold:... the point is that Dobes has surpassed Primeau in the totem pole, but he (Primeau) still has some potential if he gets a chance to play regularly in another organization ... Nobody was suggesting moving Dobes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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