bbp Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Why Nill turned it down. http://www.detroitne...s-on-backburner I hope everything turns out okay for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 I hope everything turns out okay for him. Great article. I am impressed. Mr. Molson at least had the stones to seek out the bpa despite what grief he might get. Full marks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbp Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Great article. I am impressed. Mr. Molson at least had the stones to seek out the bpa despite what grief he might get. Full marks. Good press with Nill saying he was impressed with the organization and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Good press with Nill saying he was impressed with the organization and all that. Yeah, although how much of that is just pro forma flummery is a good question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willey101 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Are there any rumours to there being 4 candidates remaining? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Are there any rumours to there being 4 candidates remaining? Yes, but I don't think they can be credible when not every candidate has even been interviewed yet. We are still waiting for the kings elimination to speak to their two guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehjay Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 You know, I think Patrice Brisebois would be great for a Director of Player Development role. I hope this won`t sound like a nag... but player development has to come from a great front office. And I agree communication from this front has to be regular and servicing to it`s client base, hense a need for a strong french leadership voice. Maybe a good thing for the Habs would be 2 Gms with GM being a tie breaker Sorry I`m being stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REV-G Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 Why Nill turned it down. http://www.detroitne...s-on-backburner What is a little confusing to me is, why did Jim Nill even sit down and have two interviews with Geoff Moslon if his wife has cancer and moving isn't an option or the right thing to do right now?? Didn't he discuss and talk this through with her before he agreed to an interview. You would think the decision about whether they are willing to move would have taken place before he even met with us. Certainly caring for his wife and thinking of her is the highest priority for him, but why did he agree to talk to us if the time isn't right for them?? Sounds funny to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 What is a little confusing to me is, why did Jim Nill even sit down and have two interviews with Geoff Moslon if his wife has cancer and moving isn't an option or the right thing to do right now?? Didn't he discuss and talk this through with her before he agreed to an interview. You would think the decision about whether they are willing to move would have taken place before he even met with us. Certainly caring for his wife and thinking of her is the highest priority for him, but why did he agree to talk to us if the time isn't right for them?? Sounds funny to me! Because you should never turn down an interview opportunity if you're serious about your career. His own wife might have also pressed him to look into a second interview. Eventually he felt he couldn't do it emotionally. Sometimes it's best to just believe a person for what they say instead of assume they used their wife's eventual death to cancer as an excuse to turn down a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 On reflection, I think the fact that Nill went for a second interview probably shows that he really means the nice things he was saying about our organization and that he really was torn about not taking the job. I hope so; the thought that the Habs are still not a top-flight operation 10 years after Houle's firing, despite having Class Incarante in Bob Gainey in charge, is depressing. Very interesting stuff from Hockey I/O today. Apparently Risebrough is in the mix - a bad choice in my view, since his tenures in both Calgary and Minnesota were defined by mediocrity. Both Lavoie and Moffat believe Brisebois and McGuire to be among the 4 or 5 who have received second interviews. The McGuire bit is alarming. In any case, have a look if you haven't yet: http://www.hockeyins...in-2-or-3-weeks With Nill out, I find myself warming to the Roy-as-GM idea, over bland 'new NHL' technocrats like Brisebois or Bergevin, tired old nags like Risebrough, or out-of-left-field loudmouths like McGuire. Bring back the prodigal son, make sure to surround him properly, and go for the home run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 What is a little confusing to me is, why did Jim Nill even sit down and have two interviews with Geoff Moslon if his wife has cancer and moving isn't an option or the right thing to do right now?? Didn't he discuss and talk this through with her before he agreed to an interview. You would think the decision about whether they are willing to move would have taken place before he even met with us. Certainly caring for his wife and thinking of her is the highest priority for him, but why did he agree to talk to us if the time isn't right for them?? Sounds funny to me! If you want to remain in the mix for future GM jobs, you have to interview when you are called. Its the way this works. Also an interview is a two way street... He'd probably talk to Molson, find out how things with his wife could be handled if he took the job. Could he work from Detroit, could she continue her current treatment in Montreal, what are all the logistics involved? Is there a way to make this work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 The thing with McGuire is he's a very good talker. Despite all of the times we see him flub, he knows how to schmooze. He's also supposedly close to Molson if some reports are to be believed so it'll hopefully be a good example of what Molson's character is. Selecting a friend would tell us we're not heading toward a good era. I'd be fine with Risebrough as an assistant GM or in a pro-scouting role. I still feel positive on Bergevin and really hope Doug Wilson leaves San Jose. His only trade mistake in his Sharks tenure has been giving up too much for Craig Rivet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 It seems like there aren't many top notch GM candidates out there and I will be disappointed no matter who they select. Unless they can snag a GM who will be fired in the next couple weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davehab Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 It seems like there aren't many top notch GM candidates out there and I will be disappointed no matter who they select. Unless they can snag a GM who will be fired in the next couple weeks. talon, talon, talon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 It seems like there aren't many top notch GM candidates out there and I will be disappointed no matter who they select. Unless they can snag a GM who will be fired in the next couple weeks. Well, it's worth remembering just how superior Gainey seemed as a choice - he was the no-brainer, can't miss, elite, proven GM candidate, and we got him!!! And look how that turned out. He performed credibly, but he also made key mistakes and obviously did not lead us to the promised land. Burke, similarly, had Star Quality GM written all over him, yet has failed to deliver even a measly playoff round in four years (!). Meanwhile, you look at a guy like Mike Gillis, who had no c.v. as a manager, and yet who has done very well; and you kinda conclude that the big name and prestige c.v. is not necessarily any better a choice than someone else. I really think becoming an effective GM has as much to do with character and judgement as curriculum vitae. So don't put too much into 'star quality.' I'll be supportive of whomever we choose, provided it's not a proven dud (Ribserough) or someone whose judgement and character would make me run in the other direction if I were working under them (Monster McGuire). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REV-G Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 I think CC has hit the nail on the head with the point that what we often perceive as star GM candidates have often not done as well as other not as hyped up candidates, as per the examples he gave. However we also know there are some star GM's whose reputaion is deserved, but they have done it and put together strong teams over a period of years. Personally I am excited over this process and some of the names that we are discussing. Although I hope we don't go for someone who has done the job elsewhere and had mediocre results. I'm looking for some fresh approach by someone who is eager, knows the league and has a history of competence and success at whatever they have done. Let me ask again a question I posed at the beginning of this thread.Do you think there's any chance Dale Tallon could be our man? If, and that's a big question, he is interested, would Florida be willing to let him go and would he do a good job for us?? What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbp Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 I don't understand the logic of the Talon thing, he has brought Florida to the playoffs in a single year after they've missed it forever, why on earth would they let him leave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 I don't understand the logic of the Talon thing, he has brought Florida to the playoffs in a single year after they've missed it forever, why on earth would they let him leave? Because they have no money and montreal can pay him more than they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Because they have no money and montreal can pay him more than they can. Tallon is allowed to do whatever he wants in Florida. Montreal can claim he could do the same but it really isn't true. It all depends on Dale Tallon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Tallon is also a Quebecois kid, and previously worked for another Original 6 team. There may be some draw to running the Habs as opposed to the Panthers for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Tallon is also a Quebecois kid, and previously worked for another Original 6 team. There may be some draw to running the Habs as opposed to the Panthers for him. As long as he learned how to send his RFA offers in time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 As long as he learned how to send his RFA offers in time... If Talon is the guy who gave Huet that $six trillion contract, we ought to think twice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 As long as he learned how to send his RFA offers in time... Administrative work. Some poor secretary got fired for that, I'm sure. If Talon is the guy who gave Huet that $six trillion contract, we ought to think twice The Huet and Campbell contracts are the blackmarks on his resume. As is the Jovanovski one too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Administrative work. Some poor secretary got fired for that, I'm sure. pffff. Don't try to tell me that every GM in this league send out their RFA's offers last minute... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Connor McKenna is reporting "multiple sources" say Bergevin is clear frontrunner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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