Commandant Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Today I launch “Top Shelf Prospects” My 30 team look at the next group of young players who will soon make an NHL impact. I start with Anaheim http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/23/top-shelf-prospects-anaheim-ducks/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 24, 2012 Author Share Posted July 24, 2012 Moving on to our hated rival, the Boston Bruins http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/24/top-shelf-prospects-boston-bruin/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 25, 2012 Author Share Posted July 25, 2012 Today I look at another Division Rival, The Buffalo Sabres http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/25/top-shelf-prospects-buffalo-sabres/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 26, 2012 Author Share Posted July 26, 2012 Top Shelf Prospects looks at the Calgary Flames http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/26/top-shelf-prospects-calgary-flames/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 28, 2012 Author Share Posted July 28, 2012 Top Shelf Prospects looks at the Carolina Hurricanes http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/28/top-shelf-prospects-carolina-hurricanes/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 29, 2012 Author Share Posted July 29, 2012 Today's Top Shelf Prospects looks at the Chicago Blackhawks. A team whose system our new GM was involved in putting together, and whose prospects I absolutely love. http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/29/top-shelf-prospects-chicago-blackhawks/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 Today’s Top Shelf Prospects featuring the Colorado Avalanche is out. http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/30/top-shelf-prospects-colorado-avalanche/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Today’s Top Shelf Prospects featuring the Colorado Avalanche is out. http://lastwordonspo...rado-avalanche/ these are well done, interesting and great to see soemone take the time to put togeather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 31, 2012 Author Share Posted July 31, 2012 Today's Top Shelf Prospects features the Columbus Blue Jackets, and Tim Erixon who was acquired in the Rick Nash deal. http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/31/top-shelf-prospects-columbus-blue-jackets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 1, 2012 Author Share Posted August 1, 2012 Today's Top Shelf Prospects features the Dallas Stars http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/07/31/top-shelf-prospects-dallas-stars/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHIW_HWL Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Today's Top Shelf Prospects features the Columbus Blue Jackets, and Tim Erixon who was acquired in the Rick Nash deal. http://lastwordonspo...s-blue-jackets/ Have to disagree with the last paragraph and also want to make a note on Erixon, the lack of mention to his bad attitude and refusal to sign with Flames is a big flaw and Nikolai Zherdev really never fell apart, he had a good year with the Rangers before going to Russia, when Philadelphia signed him, Zherdev had a very good points total for playing roughly 8 minutes a game most of the season. However, these are very articles, well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 1, 2012 Author Share Posted August 1, 2012 I always find it funny how refusing to sign with a team is a sign of a bad attitude and a character flaw.... its as if these players should be indentured servants, forced to sign with whoever drafts them, with no power to control their career at all. Also do you think Zherdev would be in Russia if someone offered him big money after he left philly? Wasn't he an RFA who Philly didn't even bother giving a qualifying offer and was a healthy scratch down the stretch? The Rangers also walked away from his arbitration award. If he was as valuable as he should have been... these teams wouldn't have let him go so easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I always find it funny how refusing to sign with a team is a sign of a bad attitude and a character flaw.... its as if these players should be indentured servants, forced to sign with whoever drafts them, with no power to control their career at all. Also do you think Zherdev would be in Russia if someone offered him big money after he left philly? Wasn't he an RFA who Philly didn't even bother giving a qualifying offer and was a healthy scratch down the stretch? The Rangers also walked away from his arbitration award. If he was as valuable as he should have been... these teams wouldn't have let him go so easily. Well it sure aint the sign of a young kid who is just happy to make it to the pros is it? And most who seem to refuse, in any pro league are highly rated prospects, Mario/LIndros/Shultz/Eli Manning etc etc, so i totally agree it is a possible sign of a swelled head and/or agent who says "you can do better, dont sign with that crap franchise!" How can you not see it as anything but a negative and "possible" character flaw/bad attitude? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 1, 2012 Author Share Posted August 1, 2012 Its just business. Its not a positive or a negative... its business. Just like Shea Weber signing an offer sheet... its within the rules of the CBA... its just business. This isn't a character flaw, like going out past curfew and getting drunk before a playoff game. What about Erixon being traded by the Rangers after he signed in New York? Is this a bad thing for the Rangers to do to him? Or are they just conducting business? But when a player plays by the rules in the CBA, he's got character flaws... when a team trades a player they are just moving assets to help the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Its just business. Its not a positive or a negative... its business. Just like Shea Weber signing an offer sheet... its within the rules of the CBA... its just business. This isn't a character flaw, like going out past curfew and getting drunk before a playoff game. What about Erixon being traded by the Rangers after he signed in New York? Is this a bad thing for the Rangers to do to him? Or are they just conducting business? But when a player plays by the rules in the CBA, he's got character flaws... when a team trades a player they are just moving assets to help the team. I am only referrin to 18-22 year old prospects, not established players or GMs who can do whatever they want (within reason). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I am only referrin to 18-22 year old prospects, not established players or GMs who can do whatever they want (within reason). Mario Lemieux refused to wear the Penguins sweater at the draft until the team signed him to a contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 1, 2012 Author Share Posted August 1, 2012 I am only referrin to 18-22 year old prospects, not established players or GMs who can do whatever they want (within reason). Why is it different for Erixon who was 20 years old at the time? Why does he get different treatment than other adults? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 2, 2012 Author Share Posted August 2, 2012 Next up on Top Shelf Prospects is the Detroit Red Wings, who will look to Brendan Smith to make a big impact for them next season. http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/08/02/top-shelf-prospects-detroit-red-wings/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Why is it different for Erixon who was 20 years old at the time? Why does he get different treatment than other adults? Sorry, i am not quite sure what you mean?. But maybe he should of just signed with Flames, but trades happen and NY has every right to deal prospects and if he dont like it, always is the KHL/SEL he can go to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHIW_HWL Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Why is it different for Erixon who was 20 years old at the time? Why does he get different treatment than other adults? So essentially, you are saying the way Lindros treated Quebec was fine? This was the exact same situation as the Lindros situation and the same thing with Schultz this offseason, it should be compulsory to play your ELC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 2, 2012 Author Share Posted August 2, 2012 So essentially, you are saying the way Lindros treated Quebec was fine? This was the exact same situation as the Lindros situation and the same thing with Schultz this offseason, it should be compulsory to play your ELC. Its not compulsory to sign with a team that drafted you. Just because they drafted you, you owe that team nothing. And if you can't make it compulsory that the team that drafts someone has their rights indefinitely. There has to be a reasonable number of years where if they don't sign a contract, they can move on. Any attempt to bypass this would have the NHL in court for violating Anti-Trust laws and unfair employment laws, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbp Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Its not compulsory to sign with a team that drafted you. Just because they drafted you, you owe that team nothing. And if you can't make it compulsory that the team that drafts someone has their rights indefinitely. There has to be a reasonable number of years where if they don't sign a contract, they can move on. Any attempt to bypass this would have the NHL in court for violating Anti-Trust laws and unfair employment laws, Yeah not to mention a lot of guys are drafted in both NHL and KHL... so if some nuts rule like that came into play with the NHL.. KHL might do the same and then it would be a major legal fiasco I assume :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 And if you can't make it compulsory that the team that drafts someone has their rights indefinitely. There has to be a reasonable number of years where if they don't sign a contract, they can move on. Any attempt to bypass this would have the NHL in court for violating Anti-Trust laws and unfair employment laws, With the lack of a PTA between the NHL and the KHL, teams are holding Russian players' rights indefinitely. The Habs still have the rights to a pair of Russians selected in 1997 and 1998. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 3, 2012 Author Share Posted August 3, 2012 With the lack of a PTA between the NHL and the KHL, teams are holding Russian players' rights indefinitely. The Habs still have the rights to a pair of Russians selected in 1997 and 1998. Sure, and the first time this happens with a Canadian or a US citizen, they'll have the ability to take it to court. The Russians won't get a green card to work here unless they are sponsored by an NHL team... the only NHL team that can sponsor them is the one who has their rights.... the team won't sponsor them before they sign a contract. They don't have the green card status to push this in court and say their opportunities for employment are unfairly hindered. And so it doesn't get challenged. Try it with Justin Schultz and you are screwed. Heck even Tim Erixon was born in New York, even if he grew up in Sweden and plays for Sweden internationally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHIW_HWL Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Sure, and the first time this happens with a Canadian or a US citizen, they'll have the ability to take it to court. The Russians won't get a green card to work here unless they are sponsored by an NHL team... the only NHL team that can sponsor them is the one who has their rights.... the team won't sponsor them before they sign a contract. They don't have the green card status to push this in court and say their opportunities for employment are unfairly hindered. And so it doesn't get challenged. Try it with Justin Schultz and you are screwed. Heck even Tim Erixon was born in New York, even if he grew up in Sweden and plays for Sweden internationally. The idea that a player can refuse out right to play for a team, then claim he is having his employment chances hindered wouldn't be accepted on this side of the Atlantic, the player is actively stopping themselves from being employed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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