dlbalr Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Rather than bumping various threads, let's just start one for any news that comes out of camp. Today, Plekanec, Nokelainen, and Commodore are all not skating. We do have line news though, here are the combos: Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole Galchenyuk-Eller-Gionta Moen-Prust-Bourque Armstrong-White-Gallagher/Dumont (although one says White is the rotating player) Gorges-Kaberle Markov-Emelin Bouillon-Diaz Tinordi-Weber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 So is Markov Emelin going to be a pair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 So is Markov Emelin going to be a pair? I seem to recall they played together a bit last season, but it's probably too early to read too much into the pairings. Of course, both play the same side which could be cause for concern if they stay together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I hope they are not paired together. Emelin is much more noticable and physical on the Left side. Gorges Markov Subban Emelin (if he ever signs) Kaberle Boullion. Although i think Diaz can take Kaberle's spot quickly, he isn't a MT type of player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Subban will be signed before the season starts. Kaberle's fate will depend on Diaz IMHO. If Diaz can show he's on par with Kaberle offensively Kaberle will be gone end of the season. Diaz is better than Kaberle defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 If Kaberle is playing decent and the Habs arent in playoff contention come deadline time I bet the Habs could get a late 1st or 2nd for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Subban will be signed before the season starts. Kaberle's fate will depend on Diaz IMHO. If Diaz can show he's on par with Kaberle offensively Kaberle will be gone end of the season. Diaz is better than Kaberle defensively. That'd be great, but somewhat unlikely. Kaberle is one of the most offensively productive defencemen in the league (top 15). Projecting Diaz to be 'on par' with Kaberle offensively while surpassing him defensively means that you expect Diaz to be an all-star quality defender. Possible. But implausible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCPetit Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Galchenyuk is showing his great talent in a shout out this morning. I guess that he will remain with the team. We need skills and he has got tons of them. It would be foolish not to dress him with the big guys. Bring some spark to this line up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 That'd be great, but somewhat unlikely. Kaberle is one of the most offensively productive defencemen in the league (top 15). Projecting Diaz to be 'on par' with Kaberle offensively while surpassing him defensively means that you expect Diaz to be an all-star quality defender. Possible. But implausible. Kaberle was 40th in points for defenseman last season, how is that top 15? He posted 15 more points than Diaz, while playing 13 more games. If Diaz played the same amount of games, assuming his PPG ratio doesn't change, Kaberle would of produced 11 more points. Is it far fetched to believe Diaz could possibly squeeze out 10 or 11 more points in a full 82 game season? A couple of years ago Kaberle was top 15 good. Last year he wasn't and he may never return to that form again. There should be no argument Diaz is at least on par defensively as Kaberle. This season will tell if Kaberle is still a top 15 offensive defenseman. If he isn't I see no reason to keep him around. Do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Kaberle was 40th in points for defenseman last season, how is that top 15? He posted 15 more points than Diaz, while playing 13 more games. If Diaz played the same amount of games, assuming his PPG ratio doesn't change, Kaberle would of produced 11 more points. Is it far fetched to believe Diaz could possibly squeeze out 10 or 11 more points in a full 82 game season? A couple of years ago Kaberle was top 15 good. Last year he wasn't and he may never return to that form again. There should be no argument Diaz is at least on par defensively as Kaberle. This season will tell if Kaberle is still a top 15 offensive defenseman. If he isn't I see no reason to keep him around. Do you? If you discount his disastrous stretch with Carolina - clearly a huge aberration - you'll find that his numbers with Montreal extrapolate to 42 points over a full season. This is a drop-off from his heyday of 50+ points but it's still good for 17th overall among defencemen. Diaz's numbers extrapolate to 27 points over a full season. Not in the same category. Anything can happen, but I think it's massively more likely that Kaberle will produce at a 45+point pace this year than that Diaz will. The discourse around Kaberle is delusional. People act as though his stretch with Carolina is representative of what he is as a player rather than marking a total outlier for him. Yes, he is one-dimensional. Yes, he is overpaid. And yes, his offensive production is well above-average for a defenceman. Now, he may continue his decline this season, in which case the last point will no longer hold, but with the info now before us, we should classify him as a 45-point defender and therefore in the top 15 in this respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsy Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 If Kaberle is playing decent and the Habs arent in playoff contention come deadline time I bet the Habs could get a late 1st or 2nd for him.I love the optimism, but Kaberle is not getting anything close to a first. In fact, he's described as untradable. How many buyouts can a team make? He's next for the Gomez treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 2 buyouts. I expect both Gomez and Kaberle to come off the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I think that IF Kaberle comes back strong and produces at his usual 45+-point clip, there is a significant chance of moving him at the deadline to teams looking to add offence and help their PP heading into the playoffs. The guy for whom the Bruins traded a 1st round pick was not massively less one-dimensional than the current edition. His stock has dropped sufficiently that a high pick is a pipedream, but a team that is hungry for the Cup will cough up something for a guy who puts up those kind of numbers. Based purely on what we saw from Habs' players last season, Bourque might be a more likely buyout candidate. At last Kabs was reasonably productive for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 So far it seems Galchenyuk is impressing the coaching staff and fellow teammates. He's expected to start with the Habs, even if it's only for the 5 game test period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Kaberle is such a better player than what Habs fans give him credit for. His offensive production is among the elite defencemen in the NHL. Yes he's a one way players, but a two way elite defender gets 7.5 million per season, not 4.25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Kaberle is such a better player than what Habs fans give him credit for. His offensive production is among the elite defencemen in the NHL. Yes he's a one way players, but a two way elite defender gets 7.5 million per season, not 4.25. Agreed. Plus he got better in his own zone later in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Agreed. Plus he got better in his own zone later in the season. He just needs a stay at home partner.... not another defensive liability like Campoli beside him. Bouillion won't take chances and be a good third pairing partner for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I think that IF Kaberle comes back strong and produces at his usual 45+-point clip, there is a significant chance of moving him at the deadline to teams looking to add offence and help their PP heading into the playoffs. The guy for whom the Bruins traded a 1st round pick was not massively less one-dimensional than the current edition. His stock has dropped sufficiently that a high pick is a pipedream, but a team that is hungry for the Cup will cough up something for a guy who puts up those kind of numbers. Based purely on what we saw from Habs' players last season, Bourque might be a more likely buyout candidate. At last Kabs was reasonably productive for us. so if he continues to provide 45 + points we will get rid of him? why? that production puts him in high standing in the nhl and well worth the dollars. do we just hate former leafs? are we stupid? ok he is not great defensively but ??????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 so if he continues to provide 45 + points we will get rid of him? why? that production puts him in high standing in the nhl and well worth the dollars. do we just hate former leafs? are we stupid? ok he is not great defensively but ??????????????? I like him but I'd trade him if someone wants to pay significant picks/prospects. His age + this team being in rebuild/retool stages + young D in the pipeline all add up to a tradeable asset IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I like him but I'd trade him if someone wants to pay significant picks/prospects. His age + this team being in rebuild/retool stages + young D in the pipeline all add up to a tradeable asset IMO. Right. I don't hate Kaberle at all, and find all the ragging on him to be totally irrational overblown. But if Markov comes back effectively, I think we can find better uses for that cap space given our team profile. If Markov turns out to be a shell of his former self, then we might have more reason to keep Kabs. Don't have strong feelings about it either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Moen-Prust-Bourque Nice to see Therrien playing Bourque on the right wing. That's where he's going to thrive if he ever does here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhfarber Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Count me as a fan of these lines which are being used in practice today: Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole Galchenyuk-Plekanec-Gionta Moen-Eller-Bourque Prust-White-Armstrong I love how all the guys on the bottom two lines are interchangeable. Therrien will be able to easily mix and match to find the best chemistry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 The PP unit today Galchenyuk - Plekanec - Cole Markov - Kaberle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 The PP unit today Galchenyuk - Plekanec - Cole Markov - Kaberle Subban = erection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Wow, this is much different from last year. Pac-Desh-Cole Bourque-Pleki-scrub plug-Eller-plug AHL Line I'm not drinking the kool-aid, but i'm optimistic for at least some entertaining hockey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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