hankhab Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I think we've all seen Markovs game slipping slowly over the last 10 to 15 games, does anyone else think it makes sense to sit him for a bit? I think there has to be a time when management asks itself if its more important to win the division or have a well rested Markov in the lineup. maybe no more back to back games, or perhaps no practice during those rare 3 days off, but personally, I'd like to give him a game or 2 off and turn one of those 3 day gameless stretches into a week off for the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Crazy talk. He just needs his minutes cut down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 A big problem on this team is that Therrien only has 5 d he trusts. He won't play Kaberle, Pateryn, Weber, and gave Tinordi less than 7 minutes last night. This means we need to acquire another D at the deadline IMO. With that, lets cut Markov's minutes down the stretch to keep him fresh, and yes, if necessary even sit him out. But to start, i'd try just reducing the workload. He played 28 minutes last night.... Subban over 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMAC Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 I think we've all seen Markovs game slipping slowly over the last 10 to 15 games, does anyone else think it makes sense to sit him for a bit? I think there has to be a time when management asks itself if its more important to win the division or have a well rested Markov in the lineup. maybe no more back to back games, or perhaps no practice during those rare 3 days off, but personally, I'd like to give him a game or 2 off and turn one of those 3 day gameless stretches into a week off for the guy. As others have said, he needs his minutes cut down for a few games. Elite athletes do not react well to enforced rest and I think it would be bad for the team. Again, this is not new cutting edge analysis but with Weber and Kaberle riding pine and Tinordi playing less than 10min a game, we need another defenseman more than a forward. Yandle too expensive? Regher? Is he now too slow? Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Yeah they need a number 6. I think Tinordi did ok, I hope until then, they bump his minutes up to give Markov a break. He's a rookie, but he looks better than Pateryn it Yannick "give up a penalty shot on the power play" Weber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 As others have said, he needs his minutes cut down for a few games. Elite athletes do not react well to enforced rest and I think it would be bad for the team. Again, this is not new cutting edge analysis but with Weber and Kaberle riding pine and Tinordi playing less than 10min a game, we need another defenseman more than a forward. Yandle too expensive? Regher? Is he now too slow? Thoughts? I know the answer for a second power play guy is Jordan Leopold, but the games I've seen him in, he's been a turnover machine. God-awful defensive play. I'd like to see them get Corey Sarich or Scott Hannan. I wonder if they put in a claim for Hamrlik? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 I still think trade kaberle for komisarik works ............ for us. or trade him for anybody. where the hell is hal gill when you need him? Robidas maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 A Western team has a better chance since he's in our division but Reghyr is a guy I'd be happy to spend a second round pick on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 SItting Markov is crazy talk. No question he needs his minutes reduced. Maybe try different pairings (i.e. Markov/Gorges) as well. BUt you don't sit your most experienced dman and leader on the defence. Notice i didn't say best dman - that is now Subban. the most underpaid dman in the league. I know the answer for a second power play guy is Jordan Leopold, but the games I've seen him in, he's been a turnover machine. God-awful defensive play. I'd like to see them get Corey Sarich or Scott Hannan. I wonder if they put in a claim for Hamrlik? I wouldn't touch Leopold with a ten foot pole. We already hae him, his name is Kaberle. I also don't want Hamrlik. his best before date has long since gone and his expiry date has gone by. A Western team has a better chance since he's in our division but Reghyr is a guy I'd be happy to spend a second round pick on. He was slow and ineffective in his last two years in Calgary and he is slower now. Still a big presence, but we need a guy with more versatility. I'm sick and tired of having a PK specialist like Gill, who is a pylon 5 on 5 and a PP specialist like MAB or Kaberle who are turnover machines outside of the PP. I still think trade kaberle for komisarik works ............ for us. or trade him for anybody. where the hell is hal gill when you need him? Robidas maybe? Choosing between Kaberle and Komisarik is like choosing between Pancreatic and testicular cancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 If only Diaz was back, this would not be an issue. Diaz would both help the PP and at up a pile of minutes for Markov. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Markov only needs his ES minutes reduced he is till very effective on special teams. That said he could continue to play the same total minutes if he was more well insulated at 5 on 5, with Emelin playing the wrong side and trying to cover for Markov's lack of speed it makes things more difficult thanit should be. The only way you sit Markov is if they have a discussion with him and he agrees thats it best for the team to rest him a couple of times before playoffs, otherwise he plays and he can contribute. Lets hope last game was his worst of the year....I don't know how it could have been worse defensively at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 SItting Markov is crazy talk. No question he needs his minutes reduced. Maybe try different pairings (i.e. Markov/Gorges) as well. BUt you don't sit your most experienced dman and leader on the defence. Notice i didn't say best dman - that is now Subban. the most underpaid dman in the league. I wouldn't touch Leopold with a ten foot pole. We already hae him, his name is Kaberle. I also don't want Hamrlik. his best before date has long since gone and his expiry date has gone by. He was slow and ineffective in his last two years in Calgary and he is slower now. Still a big presence, but we need a guy with more versatility. I'm sick and tired of having a PK specialist like Gill, who is a pylon 5 on 5 and a PP specialist like MAB or Kaberle who are turnover machines outside of the PP. Choosing between Kaberle and Komisarik is like choosing between Pancreatic and testicular cancer. I like your analogy however, we don't know how bad komi really is, we do know that kaberle is shit. Komi as strictly a stay at home defenceman may be workable in the short term, very similar buyouts, so I think maybe worth a shot. If for no other reason than it would be nice to kick his ass out the door this time. He apparently is in great shape and maybe his treatment by the laffs has taught him a little humility and renewed his work ethic. Just spit balling I see it as a no lose situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 I like your analogy however, we don't know how bad komi really is, we do know that kaberle is shit. Komi as strictly a stay at home defenceman may be workable in the short term, very similar buyouts, so I think maybe worth a shot. If for no other reason than it would be nice to kick his ass out the door this time. He apparently is in great shape and maybe his treatment by the laffs has taught him a little humility and renewed his work ethic. Just spit balling I see it as a no lose situation. We know how bad he is. I can't repeat it enough that Komisarek is no better than Greg Pateryn today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 We know how bad he is. I can't repeat it enough that Komisarek is no better than Greg Pateryn today. here here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 we know how bad he is because? he has played a total of 4 games on the laffs. That tells us he is finished? Since we cannot possibily watched him play this season are you basing how bad he is on how he eats hot dogs in press box? (that's a joke) I will say again if he has a new work ethic and a new humility, and is willing to work within the system, he may be usable. How come other guys get 2nd chances but he gets nothing. It is all a moot question cause I don't think the laffs would take Kaberle on a bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 We know how bad he is. I can't repeat it enough that Komisarek is no better than Greg Pateryn today. Just put it in your signature so the forum can see it every time that you post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Komi has fallen like Redden. Everyone said Redden without the burden of his contract would still be an effective NHL'er. He has been a bust in St. Louis and they are looking for alternative help on defense. Komi was finished 3 years ago and is now just collecting pay cheques. we know how bad he is because? he has played a total of 4 games on the laffs. That tells us he is finished? Since we cannot possibily watched him play this season are you basing how bad he is on how he eats hot dogs in press box? (that's a joke) I will say again if he has a new work ethic and a new humility, and is willing to work within the system, he may be usable. How come other guys get 2nd chances but he gets nothing. It is all a moot question cause I don't think the laffs would take Kaberle on a bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Komi has fallen like Redden. Everyone said Redden without the burden of his contract would still be an effective NHL'er. He has been a bust in St. Louis and they are looking for alternative help on defense. Komi was finished 3 years ago and is now just collecting pay cheques. redden played 23 games has 5 pts and is -2. not great stats but not that bad for 800,000. I couldn't find any rumours that the blues were unhappy but as I said prob moot because the laffs aren't crazy enough to take kaberle back. And that should tell us something, they feel he is worse than Komi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 redden played 23 games has 5 pts and is -2. not great stats but not that bad for 800,000. I couldn't find any rumours that the blues were unhappy but as I said prob moot because the laffs aren't crazy enough to take kaberle back. And that should tell us something, they feel he is worse than Komi. i agree that Kaberle is worse then Komi. But i still wouldn't want Komi. There was an article a few weeks back that after an okay start to the season, Redden was being lit up and the blues were looking for other options to boost their defence. Frankly, I'd rather wait to see if anyone is desparate enough at the deadline for offensive/pp help to take Kaberle - if we can move him for an expiring contract, it would allow us to have one buyout remaining. Otherwise, we may as well just wait and buy him out in the summer - which would mean making sure we don't play him, in case he gets injured. If the isles hadn't resigned Vishnosky, he would have been a good pickup. Smid with be a good option, but I wouldn't want to give up more then Weber and a 3rd for him, since he is a UFA and we may not be able to sign him. Smid would be a great option for next year as well. I still think the ideal situation would be for Bouillon to be regulated to a 7th dman role. In any event, unless, we pick up a guy like Smid who can be a top 4 choice, i'd prefer to give our kids a look over using Kaberle or picking up a washed up guy like Komi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I'd trust Kaberle before Komisarek. Kaberle always had some defensive breakdowns but he'd still be strong on the PP2 and I don't believe he has ever played entitled. Komisarek, all he can do now is throw the occasional hit and block shots with fear of injury. His positioning is worse than ever, he doesn't have the footspeed to keep up with anyone and his one good ability of clearing the net has now turned into a way to ensure his goaltender gets blocked. He's absolutely embarrassing. Not to mention that Lucic fight sapped him of any intimidation. I don't even know if you can say it's a problem with confidence because it's all problems he had here in Montreal only magnified. I think you're in love with the idea of Komisarek. Not the player himself. Once bought out he'll get a few shots as a sixth string and then you won't hear about him anymore. I know you're just throwing ideas to the wall but if I'm bringing a maligned Hab back it's going to be Guillaume Latendresse. He's only 25 years old, he's playing a lot better after his injury problems, he's a big body who hits and could fill a second line left wing position for cheap. Not the most popular idea out there but again, I'd bring back Lats before a lot of guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I'd trust Kaberle before Komisarek. Kaberle always had some defensive breakdowns but he'd still be strong on the PP2 and I don't believe he has ever played entitled. Komisarek, all he can do now is throw the occasional hit and block shots with fear of injury. His positioning is worse than ever, he doesn't have the footspeed to keep up with anyone and his one good ability of clearing the net has now turned into a way to ensure his goaltender gets blocked. He's absolutely embarrassing. Not to mention that Lucic fight sapped him of any intimidation. I don't even know if you can say it's a problem with confidence because it's all problems he had here in Montreal only magnified. I think you're in love with the idea of Komisarek. Not the player himself. Once bought out he'll get a few shots as a sixth string and then you won't hear about him anymore. I know you're just throwing ideas to the wall but if I'm bringing a maligned Hab back it's going to be Guillaume Latendresse. He's only 25 years old, he's playing a lot better after his injury problems, he's a big body who hits and could fill a second line left wing position for cheap. Not the most popular idea out there but again, I'd bring back Lats before a lot of guys. I actually thought we should have brought him back last summer. He was my second choice after Jagr. I think both are UFA's again this summer and if they remain unsigned, I think the habs should go after them. I think you are right about Komi. He will get another shot on the cheap like Redden did, but I think he is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 i agree that Kaberle is worse then Komi. But i still wouldn't want Komi. There was an article a few weeks back that after an okay start to the season, Redden was being lit up and the blues were looking for other options to boost their defence. Frankly, I'd rather wait to see if anyone is desparate enough at the deadline for offensive/pp help to take Kaberle - if we can move him for an expiring contract, it would allow us to have one buyout remaining. Otherwise, we may as well just wait and buy him out in the summer - which would mean making sure we don't play him, in case he gets injured. If the isles hadn't resigned Vishnosky, he would have been a good pickup. Smid with be a good option, but I wouldn't want to give up more then Weber and a 3rd for him, since he is a UFA and we may not be able to sign him. Smid would be a great option for next year as well. I still think the ideal situation would be for Bouillon to be regulated to a 7th dman role. In any event, unless, we pick up a guy like Smid who can be a top 4 choice, i'd prefer to give our kids a look over using Kaberle or picking up a washed up guy like Komi. I don't really disagree with you, either one is a loser, sometimes a change of face is good. meh who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 No to any added help on D. It's fine. Diaz will be back and we'll be laughing. Kaberle is the best choice as our 6th until then. Just a matter of time IMO. don't mortgage the future for a band aid short term fix. There's some young D soon on their way next year and the year after, for the loss of Markov and anyone else who get injured. All is good in the short term and long term. And there will be the likes of Kristo and a few very nice prospects on O, soon on their way to Hamilton next year and the year after. For Gionta's eventual loss and an injury replacement. It's all good. Stay the course. Clowe for Halpern in the short term would be nice. And Riberio for two years until these young guns come, would be another nice short term addition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 No to any added help on D. It's fine. Diaz will be back and we'll be laughing. Kaberle is the best choice as our 6th until then. Just a matter of time IMO. don't mortgage the future for a band aid short term fix. There's some young D soon on their way next year and the year after, for the loss of Markov and anyone else who get injured. All is good in the short term and long term. Diaz has seen his gym workouts pretty much shut down and certainly isn't skating. At this point, I'd be surprised to see him back before the playoffs. As for Kaberle, he's in bubble wrap at this point, they're not going to risk him getting hurt killing a buyout chance like they originally intended to do with Gomez. The difference this time is that they're not sending Kaberle home. As a result, if the Habs don't add a D between now and Wednesday, we're looking at either Weber coming back in somewhat regularly or a Bulldog seeing regular ice time...and that's if there aren't any other injuries. I agree that long term things look good on the blueline but I think adding someone who can help this year is almost a must at this time given current circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I was enjoying Beaulieu and it seemed like MT trusted him more than Pateryn and Tinordi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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