DON Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 I simply don't follow coachs closely, Crawford dosent seem an idiot, but how his team have played, under or over achieving, or style I cant even take a wild guess at. He won cup with Aves didn't he and had good teams in Vancouver...then Dallas you say, don't remember that? Always Bouche isn't there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 I simply don't follow coachs closely, Crawford dosent seem an idiot, but how his team have played, under or over achieving, or style I cant even take a wild guess at. He won cup with Aves didn't he and had good teams in Vancouver...then Dallas you say, don't remember that? Always Bouche isn't there? Guy Boucher was a disaster in Tampa. At least Crow has a long track-record of achievement as well as failure (and yes, I remember Bourque on the shootout; it's just that I don't think a guy should go unemployed for 20 years because of that one mistake). Also, importantly to me at least, Boucher is a prototypical example of a guy who over-coaches and keeps his players hemmed into a suffocating system. Crawford is known for being an up-tempo coach. And yeah, he coached Dallas to within one point of a playoff spot. Not saying he is some sort of genius, but I'm surprised that he isn't more frequently mentioned as a possible candidate for Habs' bench-boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Carbo was terrible. His teams played with zero structure and the game plan amounted to asking Kovalev whether he felt like going that night. The team completely and spectacularly quit on him in 2009, and Bob has zero choice to slit the throat of the protégé he had brought along for years. There is simply no basis to argue that he is a better coach than Therrien. Firing Therrien because of a four-game slump is idiotic, but whatever. If we're still struggling five or six weeks from now, we can start that discussion. In terms of replacements, apart from some obscure francophone in the minors somewhere, my choice would be Marc Crawford. He was never a "control freak" kind of coach and his love of up-tempo hockey would be great for Subban. He has a crazily varied resumé and has seen the highest heights and the lowest lows the game can dish out - perfect preparation for coaching in Montreal. In his last NHL gig, he did a good job with a bad Dallas team and only got canned because a new GM wanted his own guy. He fairly recently won a championship in the European league where he's presently coaching. He's got a Cup ring. He'd be my choice. "there is simply no basis to argue that he is a better coach than therrien" or worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 I wonder how many fans of struggling teams look at the success Therrien has had with a 28th place team and say "I wish Therrien coached this team?" I'm certain Oilers' fans would prefer Therrien over Hollywood Eakins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 "there is simply no basis to argue that he is a better coach than therrien" or worse Nonsense. Carbo had one good year, a mediocre playoff, and a disaster. Therrien has delivered strong results for two and a half years running and the team shows no signs of quitting on him yet. Nor is anyone going around saying MT "can't communicate." Carbo was crap. Therrien is no genius but is a legitimate NHL coach. Face facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Nonsense. Carbo had one good year, a mediocre playoff, and a disaster. Therrien has delivered strong results for two and a half years running and the team shows no signs of quitting on him yet. Nor is anyone going around saying MT "can't communicate." Carbo was crap. Therrien is no genius but is a legitimate NHL coach. Face facts. medicore coach. after pitts nobody gave him a sniff for 5 yerars............ and if did not speak french nobody would have again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 I think a more objective assessment is that Therrien is one of a large number of perfectly competent, ultimately forgettable NHL coaches. We all agree that he is not in that small class of elite coaches like Babcock or Quenneville. But the idea that he is garbage is a huge overstatement, no more credible than the claim that he is elite. But I say that because I'm assessing overall team performance under him, not comparing him to some fantasy ideal where Pacioretty is a 70-goal scorer and the Habs win 82 straight games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Nonsense. Carbo had one good year, a mediocre playoff, and a disaster. Therrien has delivered strong results for two and a half years running and the team shows no signs of quitting on him yet. Nor is anyone going around saying MT "can't communicate." Carbo was crap. Therrien is no genius but is a legitimate NHL coach. Face facts. no way i'd want to replace MT with Carbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 FFS, the problem isn't behind the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 FFS, the problem isn't behind the bench. MT has been a head coach since 1990 when he was 27 years old. This is his 10th season as a coach in the NHL. The man can clearly coach. But because some disagree with some of his decisions, have some sort of idealistic representation of what the team should be, or just flat out don't like him, he can do no right in their eyes. Habs win despite him, lose because of him. There is no point in debating with these people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 I'm just tuning in again after a while... Carbo? Really? If it's all the same, I could just get a bunch of chickens, chop off their heads, and let them run around the ice. That's a Carbo team. Including the bloody mess. And as for Therrien sitting out after Pit dumped him, where is Carbo again? He became coach for a Q team and... resigned? Carbo has a *lot* to learn. Not to say Therrien is all that, but Carbo? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 I wonder how many fans of struggling teams look at the success Therrien has had with a 28th place team and say "I wish Therrien coached this team?" I'm certain Oilers' fans would prefer Therrien over Hollywood Eakins. ya say that as if they hired someone else they would still be in 28th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 FFS, the problem isn't behind the bench. the problem at the end of last season was not the captain either.........and he's gone. like all coaches, therrien will be fired........and he wont have a stanley cup ring when it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 FFS, the problem isn't behind the bench. Then where is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 MT has been a head coach since 1990 when he was 27 years old. This is his 10th season as a coach in the NHL. The man can clearly coach. But because some disagree with some of his decisions, have some sort of idealistic representation of what the team should be, or just flat out don't like him, he can do no right in their eyes. Habs win despite him, lose because of him. There is no point in debating with these people. "MT has been a head coach since 1990" where was he coaching in 09,010,011,012 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Montreal coaches let go with winning records Burns Julien Carbs Demers Berry Martin matter of fact, only two modern day coaches have been were let go WITHOUT winning records....MichelleTherrien, Alan Venieult (MT was .500) some like MT some dont ............. but a winning record is not iron clad reason not to be fired. or as GM's like to put it "we are going in another direction" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 ok, here's my take: - slow, non-aggressive defensemen -poor defensive zone coverage(including forwards) -pisspoor powerplay, you don't put perimeter players on pp -too many soft players..gilbert, gonchar, and desjarnais are not top 4d or #1c -DD has no business playing quality minutes -perimeter play in offensive zone as you can see, they're all issues that can be worked on, or tended to. call me crazy, but that's how I see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 ok, here's my take: - slow, non-aggressive defensemen -poor defensive zone coverage(including forwards) -pisspoor powerplay, you don't put perimeter players on pp -too many soft players..gilbert, gonchar, and desjarnais are not top 4d or #1c -DD has no business playing quality minutes -perimeter play in offensive zone as you can see, they're all issues that can be worked on, or tended to. call me crazy, but that's how I see it wont argue with any of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 Nonsense. Carbo had one good year, a mediocre playoff, and a disaster. Therrien has delivered strong results for two and a half years running and the team shows no signs of quitting on him yet. Nor is anyone going around saying MT "can't communicate." Carbo was crap. Therrien is no genius but is a legitimate NHL coach. Face facts. You will have to explain that to me. 2006-2007 42 w 34 l missed playoffs by 1 pt (1 goal really) 2007-2008 47w 25 l made it to the 2nd round. Coach of the year was bandied about. 2008-2009 35w 24 l fired. record after being fired BOB 6w 9l . I am not counting the loser points. But it seems to me he had a winning record, and when bob took over at the request of Koivu (rumour) the Team did worse and barely scraped into a playoff spot. So where was the disaster? Maybe if Bob had supported and helped his coach instead of throwing him under the bus it might have been different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 ok, here's my take: - slow, non-aggressive defensemen -poor defensive zone coverage(including forwards) -pisspoor powerplay, you don't put perimeter players on pp -too many soft players..gilbert, gonchar, and desjarnais are not top 4d or #1c -DD has no business playing quality minutes -perimeter play in offensive zone as you can see, they're all issues that can be worked on, or tended to. call me crazy, but that's how I see it Subban and markov are premier defence men. You can't afford 6 subban's. poor defensive zone coverage? that is a coaching issue piss poor power play? that is a coachig issue soft players? prust weaver eller subban markov and others are not soft. you are just cherry picking. DD is one of the hardest workers on the team. who would you perfer? Bourque? perineter play in offensive zone is a coaching issue. This is just my opinion but the coach institutes the systems and the players execute it, so if you don't like the system don't blame the players. They are doing what they are told. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 I hardly believe they're told to stay on the perimeter. and who said anything about having 6 subbans?! dd belongs in santas workshop along with the other hard working elves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 You will have to explain that to me. 2006-2007 42 w 34 l missed playoffs by 1 pt (1 goal really) 2007-2008 47w 25 l made it to the 2nd round. Coach of the year was bandied about. 2008-2009 35w 24 l fired. record after being fired BOB 6w 9l . I am not counting the loser points. But it seems to me he had a winning record, and when bob took over at the request of Koivu (rumour) the Team did worse and barely scraped into a playoff spot. So where was the disaster? Maybe if Bob had supported and helped his coach instead of throwing him under the bus it might have been different. The team quit on him in 2009. It was awful to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 you're right Chick..it was painfully obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 The team quit on him in 2009. It was awful to watch. won his last game 4-1 in dallas. had a better powerplay than therrien could even dream about. Koivu said the team never quit on Carbs Gainey said he simply did not like "the way the team was playing" look it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 the team quit on him... its like parros saying he wasn't knocked out.... just cause he said it doesn't mean its true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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