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i think he'll have to clear waivers to be sent down as soon as next year?? so if he's not gonna play might as well at this point.... either play him or send him down... leave him there and give him his minutes so he can be the player we expect of him... i just think were more balanced with him up instead of beaulieau... especially with gonchar now in the mix

Yep, Tinordi (and Beaulieu) must clear waivers starting next season.

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I am not a Therien critic. But we're not seeing eye-to-eye about these defensemen.

Based on performance in training camp/pre-season, I'd have ranked them: 1- Pateryn (no flaw in his game AT ALL in preseason). 2- Beaulieu (hey, the kid was sharp in preseason. I conceded that, and hoped he would keep it up when the regular season started). 3- Tinordi. (He really looked lost in preseason.) And yet Pateryn gets sent down.

Based on performance since the regular season started, I'd put Tinordi far, far ahead of Beaulieu. Tinordi's been defensively sound, and bringing an amazing physical presence to the blueline. He's even contributed a little offensively. Beaulieu has looked lost - at his best, he's defensively average, and he hasn't been at his best. Coupled with a point production of absolutely nothing, it hasn't looked good for him. And yet Tinordi gets sent down.

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Stop with Pateryn. This guy will never play more than a handfull of games with the Habs.

He has no ceiling, he reached them already. If this was EA Sports NHL, we'd be looking at a 70-75-75 player. AHL material. Pure multi-injuries backup.

Now, if Patery wants to prove me wrong, then be my guest Greg.

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Weaver, once the "Emelin to LD" experiment ends.

Emelin wont be a Hab by playoffs. He's played pretty well lately. I think he'll be a piece in fairly big trade
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I am not going to miss Travis Moen...

Gonchar, who I have cursed for killing the Habs more than twice over the years, not that long ago I watched a game and was furious when he at 40 beat us on a great individual effort, something that Moen can't even spell.

I am not going to expect anymore than a veteran depth defenseman, as in a PP boost/part time player/PP coach, likely on LTIR and salary off the books after this season.

Moen is about our 4th best PK killer this season, and I'm being generous at that, waste of nearly 2 mil, gimmie Ryan White back any day over Moen, cya!

Gonchar isn't going to hurt, and he is great depth at D....

A tad harsh on Moen( maybe) but I like White too. Much faster and unconcussed. However while you are high on Gonchar and down on Moen remember this. MB did not steal him from Dallas. Teams in the nhl would pay diddly squat for moen.......and thats what dallas paid montreal...SQUAT . Matter of fact the deal would not go down straight up....Dallas had to give throw in cash to take Gonchar (part of salary) lol

its a sad state of affairs when a habs fan thinks that a 40 year old Gonchar will help the team be better................fortunately thats not the case........thank god

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Well bud, I'm not sure if you're saying I'm in that sad state.... but I don't see Gonchar as hurting the team and may very well make them better, sorry you can't fathom how. And I...

Never said I was high on Gonchar, not expecting much actually,

and although I like him, not sure "down on" is the correct term, but I see Moen's usefulness to Mtl has waned... Moen is done as an NHL useful player outside of a PK guy, at least in Hab land.

Habs had better players in the pressbox, moving on..... :halm:

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Well bud, I'm not sure if you're saying I'm in that sad state.... but I don't see Gonchar as hurting the team and may very well make them better, sorry you can't fathom how. And I...

Never said I was high on Gonchar, not expecting much actually,

and although I like him, not sure "down on" is the correct term, but I see Moen's usefulness to Mtl has waned... Moen is done as an NHL useful player outside of a PK guy, at least in Hab land.

Habs had better players in the pressbox, moving on..... :halm:

and besides it was the only way MB could get MT to stop playing Moen. :)

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So this concludes the mystery of why Sekac sat a few times. Had to showcase Moen. I was happy to have him well he was here. He contributed as much as he could when called on, great grit guy. I saw the writing on the wall before training camp for him and was surprised he made the team over De La Rose or Andrighetto who both showed a skill set far beyond his reach.

I don't expect a ton from Gonchar now but would have freaked over this a few years back though. Imagine calling this trade 5 years ago, Moen for Gonchar with cash back, lol. If he can help the PP and log 3rd pairing minutes I am all for giving him a shot. He may be slower than he was but can still shoot and pass like an all-star.

Frees up cap space for next year. Creates a spot for the kids to fight for. Dangles the carrot so to speak. Good trade!

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JGC21, I hear that move Emelin thing a lot on the street. Yes he probably is going to be slipping down our depth chart very quickly, but what if we let him fall to third pairing and move Gonchar to a bubble team for more than the bag of pucks we could get for Moen? Gonchar to me also holds that UFA trade bait chip. Help get our PP firing and become a late 2nd or a prospect? Ok.

Of course that means finding a playoff bubble team with a depleted defence come deadline.

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If you base opinions on watching play, one could have come to the conclusion Alexei Kovalev is a future-hall-of-fame forward. One might assume, watching play, that Oleg Petrov was going to be an NHL superstar. Even this year, watching play, you might think René Bourque is a legitimate goal scorer. For some things - such as defensive play - watching play is a better gage than any stat they've come up with. A great defensive player can have a "minus" rating, and very few blocks or hits. But when it comes to offense, nothing tells the story as much as the scoresheet. As you say, if the play is legitimately good, the points will come. I don't doubt that eventually, Beaulieu's points will come. But right now, after all the time he's spent in Montreal, I'm still not seeing it.

You're leaving out the parts where if you watch play you might think Bourque is a lazy bum, you might think Alex Kovalev tried to do way to much himself and hurt the team. You can't just focus on the positive of watching the play, you have I look at the negative, because anyone can have one or two good games. It's possible to have a great game and make a lot of great plays and still have nothing to show for it you know. If I ring 6 shots off the crossbar, I'd have nothing to show. According to your stat view, I'm useless

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I'd be willing to bet that Tinordi is in the Habs lineup by playoffs...

I thought that would happen last year and dlbalr correctly rained on my prognostication.

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I think Emelin and his $4M/year salary will be gone by January, thus bringing Tinordi back up.

I have to say as much as I have nothing wrong with Emelin, 4M always seemed like a vast overpay to me, and I'm not sure how he even got it from MB. Honestly 3 mill tops.

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are you kidding me? he was an offensive dynamo on the back end in pitts no doubt about it..... ok they had crosby, malkin and company but he still he put up over 50 pts in each season there including 2 x +60 point seasons, obviously minus his injured season..

im intrigued to see him play 1st line minutes on the PP! he is one of very few real PP specialists in this league. in fact he and markov should run/ coach the power play not therrien and his staff

Glad to have some positivity in this thread.

Hahahah I've legitimately wondered if that would work before. I mean, Gonchar Markov are literally Russian legends on the pp.

"there is a misconception here that you dev elope kids by throwing them into the toughest league in the world unprepared"

like galchenyuk ? not a game in the minors.......

galagher.... half a season with dogs

subban ....one season with dogs

price....half a season with dogs

patches......one season with dogs

who is the misconception with?

Subban is the only D man there and he is a super star.

Trying to do too much right now but he will get it going before the end of the month.

I'd be willing to bet that Tinordi is in the Habs lineup by playoffs...

Hope so!

I think Emelin and his $4M/year salary will be gone by January, thus bringing Tinordi back up.

Where to?

What do you feel his value is?


The Bruins because of their injured dman have leaned on their kids and called up guys from the AHL and not only are the kids getting the job done, but they are getting great NHL experience.

I wanted Moen gone, but this is a horrible move!

I am not sure it's a horrible move but I 100% agree with you about what the Bruins are doing.

Unless you give your kids a chance to shine they will never prove they can.

I have watched lots of Bruins and Dougie Hamilton made and continues to make loads of mistakes.

Do any of you recall the out of the box Subban goal in the playoffs last year. You know who's fault that was 100%, Dougie Hamilton.

If there is another deal coming, the dman that should be moved in order of preference are Gonchar, Gilbert or Weaver. Moving Emelin makes little sense, unless Tinordi is ready to play 20 minutes a night.

Weaver would be the guy I would move.

Just spit-balling here... if the value for Gonchar at 4.6 mill is Travis Moen, what is the value of Gonchar at 2.3 mill?

Habs can retain a lot more salary than Dallas could. Just saying.

That's an interesting thought.

Who was the last player the Habs got and sent packing right away? I feel like it happened recently.

Not sure if anyone asked the question yet, but....

If Meon is gone and Bourque is in Hamilton, whats the long-term plan for our bottom 6?

We have 11 forwards, Bowman got called up, I'm assuming to be in the bottom 6 temporarily. Is Bournival the long-term plan or one of Tinordi/Beaulieu being shopped for something in our bottom 9?

I don't mind picking up Gonchar and letting Tinordi and Beaulieu stew for another year, they aren't ready. Plus with injuries they will get playing time, just not dependant on them being good now.

I really believe they want Bournival, Tangradi and Bowman to get some serious time with the Habs this year.

If the Habs trade for a forward I would believe it would be someone with top 6 potential.

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Jim Nill is a one crafty politician.

That quote is amazing, really threw me for a loop.

Might be some weight to the beaulieu Eller for yakapov petry rumour

Hope not.

Emelin's days are numbered

I kind of get that feeling as well.

Yow, now there is a curve-ball!

One thing Gonchar is not and never was: an Emelin. If this move is meant to eventually replace him on our blueline, it truly is a blunder of historic proportions.

That's for sure, Tinordi must be in if Emelin is out.

Emelin has value in a trade and Tinordi can do what Emelin does. Everyone thinks this trade is about M.B not having faith in the kids, I think its the exact opposite. I'm feeling like a core player (Emelin) is getting moved and Tinordi will fill his spot. Gonchar will be a veteran depth signing that never suits up. Just an Insurance policy

Would be interesting to see what Emelin is worth with his cap number.

got that right. if gonchar plays ahead of the kids for even one shift it is moronic! he was washed up when pittsburhg kicked him to the curb nearly 5 years ago. if he was a top six dman yopu would not get him for a washed up healthy scratch fourth liner.

like radio caller said earlier........if gonchar plays its a old leaf like trade. anything not to develope your own dmen.

i am seriously hoping this is a purely garbage for garbage depth move. with what the habs have now on d gonchar would be the no 8 man. if he becomes the no 6 man .....

did they learn nothing from kabby?

if he plays ahead of the kids shame on MB

I agree that it's a shame for 28 and 24 whom I feel should both be playing now over 43 and 55.

yes there simply has to be morte to the trade....................if not MB just made the type of move that Gautier was raked over the coals for. first thing i thought of when i heard it........spacek for kabby...... but atleast kabby was not going to get put in front of two great young dman that should be in here DEVELOPING

iif thats the case i hope they both ask for trades.

That would be very silly of them.

Habs own their rights for a long time to come, RFA years.

*Gilbert, Markov, Subban, Beaulieu, Gonchar? Which of these plays well in their own zone?

What do you mean by play well on their own zone?

If you mean throw the body well I would argue, but if your asking who can win puck battles and get the puck out I would say 77, 76, 79 all do that very well. Gonchar I can't comment as I have watched little of Dallas last year and this.

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JGC21, I hear that move Emelin thing a lot on the street. Yes he probably is going to be slipping down our depth chart very quickly, but what if we let him fall to third pairing and move Gonchar to a bubble team for more than the bag of pucks we could get for Moen? Gonchar to me also holds that UFA trade bait chip. Help get our PP firing and become a late 2nd or a prospect? Ok.

Of course that means finding a playoff bubble team with a depleted defence come deadline.

gonchar has a full no movement clause which he waived to come to our team!!

A tad harsh on Moen( maybe) but I like White too. Much faster and unconcussed. However while you are high on Gonchar and down on Moen remember this. MB did not steal him from Dallas. Teams in the nhl would pay diddly squat for moen.......and thats what dallas paid montreal...SQUAT . Matter of fact the deal would not go down straight up....Dallas had to give throw in cash to take Gonchar (part of salary) lol

its a sad state of affairs when a habs fan thinks that a 40 year old Gonchar will help the team be better................fortunately thats not the case........thank god

-MB also got colorado to throw in a pick w/ paranteau

-scored vanek for catso and etc....

turns out MB is a savvy GM so far and is actually able to come out on top of trades which is a pleasant surprise considering our recent history spanning as far back as say 1995...

can you honestly say or anyone for that matter that the habs defensive depth is not better today then it was yesterday making the team better overall? i though so.....

i for one think making a play for gonchar who is essentially a rental and paying nothing for him is genius... even if it is a failed experiment on the ice in the end is it really? we have moen off the books next season which is perfect as moen is obsolete on this version of the habs.

now gonchar is after all 40.... but once you get past his age he is still one of the all time greats on the back end and a top 10 all time in virtually every offensive category in less games then most i might add... a left handed right defence men... the exact player we need for the PP ( sorry i want)... the fact that he is a fellow comrade of markov is just icing on the cake.. he is exactly the kind of player to play with markov. in fact, i think markov's motivation has just increased ten fold with this signing

you said he sucked in pitts meanwhile he put up hall of fame numbers in his tenor there... you said he sucked in OTT but he was good there too playing a top 4 role i might add.

i think this is his last hoorah no doubt.... but some legends do go out with a bang.... i can only dream

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got that right. if gonchar plays ahead of the kids for even one shift it is moronic! he was washed up when pittsburhg kicked him to the curb nearly 5 years ago. if he was a top six dman yopu would not get him for a washed up healthy scratch fourth liner.

like radio caller said earlier........if gonchar plays its a old leaf like trade. anything not to develope your own dmen.

i am seriously hoping this is a purely garbage for garbage depth move. with what the habs have now on d gonchar would be the no 8 man. if he becomes the no 6 man .....

did they learn nothing from kabby?

if he plays ahead of the kids shame on MB

have you watched gonchar play in dallas all of the last 3 games he has played this season? or any games in pitts or ottawa cause i know you didn't watch him last season in Dallas? your comments are that of a child who is not yet allowed to stay up and watch hockey games so therefore isn't aware of facts

gonchar amassed 91 poiints in 186 games in OTT at age 36-38 and 259 in 322 games in pitts from age 31-35yrs.. if only....

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http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=738884&navid=DL|MTL|home

interesting take on gonchar from the players themselves.... looks like a real gamer is about to join them not no kaberle that people are comparing him to......

here's a little sneak peak into what this move can do for a guy like beaulieau.....

One player who also plans on absorbing as much knowledge from Gonchar as possible is Nathan Beaulieu, who, at 21 years of age, is still in the veritable infancy of his NHL career.

I think a guy like Gonchar is never going to hurt your club. I’m excited to see what he can bring, and he’s definitely a guy that I can learn from. He’s a great addition and everybody in the room is happy to have him here,” offered Beaulieu, who has been held off the scoresheet through 10 games in 2014-15, registering a minus-2 differential during that span. “I have the opportunity to be on the ice every day with elite guys. Players like Markov and Gonchar have been in the league for a long time. I can grab whatever I can from them, learn and try to get better. If I’m not in the lineup, I can use it as a development tool to get better for when I get back in there.”

And, while Beaulieu might take a back seat to Gonchar when the four-time Olympian dons the CH for the first time, Pacioretty insists the young rearguard will undoubtedly benefit from the vast experience the newest Habs defenseman brings along with him north of the border.

“You’ve always heard stories about how he took guys like Evgeni Malkin and Valeri Nichushkin under his wing. Coach told me that he’s such a great guy and he’s so good with his teammates. I think a guy like Beaulieu can learn a lot from him because he definitely wants to eventually play the game that Gonchar plays, and everybody wants to have that type of career,” concluded Pacioretty. “Not to get too far ahead of myself, but seeing the way Beau wants to play, and the way management wants him to play, I think he could be a good mentor for him. We’re excited to see what happens.”

"we're excited to see what happens...." says pacioretty, and so am i

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Even at $4 million smackeroos there will be lots of teams that will show interest in Emelin. If the Habs move him it should be part of a package that brings them a top six winger.

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