Habs30/31 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Also, I tried to tell you guys what Gallant said, and what you got out of what I said blows my mind, misconstrue much? I maintain, Therrien isn't an idiot... that's all I'm saying. Gallant, not me, said that Michel lets the assistants handle their department without much interference in what they want to do.... And you still blame Therrien. What more do I need to say? I know what more there is to say to you 30/31, but alas I can't say it here, condescend much? Your first name Richard by any chance? Did not make a single comment on Gallant/Therrien Nor do i personally attack fans of Therrien for not agreeing with me. Give it a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Did not make a single comment on Gallant/Therrien Nor do i personally attack fans of Therrien for not agreeing with me. Give it a try. Bull... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Bull... Just put him on ignore. I'm tired of this guy dominating the discussions in this board. No one here, save for a few, really cares for his perspectives, so as a group we have to ignore him. I've had him on ignore and only notice his posts when he's replied to. There are many posters here, myself included who can be negative or have sore spots (mine is advanced stats, CC is Eller/rookies, Habs29 is the Robinson snub) but I've never seen a poster on HW be consistently negative without adding anything of substance. If he's ignored, maybe he'll burn out like a flickering fluorescent lightbulb. He's the fart that we're all waving away from our face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I didn't have the stomach to read this comment this morning Lo-Mag, but that was a good one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 no probs cheerleaders, I Just put him on ignore.I'm tired of this guy dominating the discussions in this board. No one here, save for a few, really cares for his perspectives, so as a group we have to ignore him. I've had him on ignore and only notice his posts when he's replied to.There are many posters here, myself included who can be negative or have sore spots (mine is advanced stats, CC is Eller/rookies, Habs29 is the Robinson snub) but I've never seen a poster on HW be consistently negative without adding anything of substance.If he's ignored, maybe he'll burn out like a flickering fluorescent lightbulb. He's the fart that we're all waving away from our face. I'll lighten up. For awhile I will refrain from posting and just read the great "substance" Magnatones is bragging about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I think that having varying opinions, is a bit part of these boards. I don't think censoring is a good thing. A simple periodic reminder to switch up the topic now and then van really help. In this case, true topic is le genius and the pp. The pp is horrible, and may be the fault of LG, so I think if we stick to that line ot discussion and avoid the silly internet fights we would be fine. This is not directed at anyone in particular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Power Play---- You might want to take the little mite two goal man off the power play, at the half way mark--- you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Another Therrien thread? Let me save everyone some time: Opinion #1 - Therrien is a terrible coach in every way and I hate him regardless of success Opinion #2 - No, actually he is an above average coach. Because of our french hiring policies, management felt he was the best option at the time and he has done well, so why are we talking about him every damn thread? *verbal internet fight ensues* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 good point. I am the new guy here. See two threads on this subject. That EVERYONE posts on constantly. I followed suit and got blasted for it. For every anti therrein post there are four or five pro therriens. No mystery who is keeping these threads alive and well ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 you coincidentally leave out when mentioning MT getting canned that gonchar the league leader in points at the time i think 3 years running was out all season! the penns struggled immensely because they didn't go out and get a schneider or a wiznewski or to a lesser extent MAB to help mitigate an extremely potent power play with gonchar as well as the guy that was logging 25+minutes a night on the top pair!! So yes blysma came in and went 18-3 BUT it was at the exact same time gonchar returned from a 60 game injury!! who do you really think helped turn things around gonchar and his 60 points from the back end or the rookie Blysma who sat behind the bench and watched goncharset up a PP goal every night for the final 20 games of the season (pretty much) with malkin crosby and company... enough is enough... if your gonna make a point make it valid don't spit out part of the facts just to force feed your point.... remember how bad the habs are and were without markov and how there fortunes completely reversed the day he came back!! also, you have galchenyuk eased into 1st line centre as everyone wanted just as his 20 year frame has started to really fill in, you have beaulieau after all is demotions and pressure to get minutes finally work his way into the top 4 just before christmas... we have older veteran defensive depth/ presence to help push younger guys like beaulieau and emelin to not take a night off, you have dead wood like bourque pushed out the door diplomatically in favour of more young legs in sekac, moen a very useful player to help change a bad "culture" pushed aside in favour of a hab heart through in through with Wiese and family. If you ask me this management team INCLUDING THE COACH has a real plan and handle on getting this team younger, faster, stronger and most importantly better. they're already a contender i do say again and are moving forward, doing it with small steps seemingly one after another... so outside of a powerplay that i have suggested should of been fixed already given the the assets at there disposal... things are actually looking really good. i am starting to rout for MT "the underdog" as it seems whoever is coaching the habs any given year even though they are winning and are a top 5/10 team in the league seem to be incompetent compared to the invisible better coach available!! a couple points out of first led by the stingiest goalie in hockey and a team not yet firing on all cylinders especially without a PP. all this preceded by an ECF let down! not to shabby MT, not to shabby at all!! Amen A significant part of our PP performance to date was the aforementioned moves that have now been made. NOT having DeeDee with Patches makes a very different combo. We need YukChuck to improve in the circle. Our team is stronger and this will show up in the PP. I doubt very much that its coaching at all, but just part of a very well thought out gradual team metamorphosis as indeed happens with all teams all the time. Our pp will be fine in the not too distant future. It frankly can't miss with the talent we can bring to bear. And we should really stop mocking MT as "le genius". He is our coach, and by my lights, with one of the "best rooms" in the NHL, things are getting done patiently and thoughtfully while respecting everyone concerned even if it doesn't involve immediate gratification. Excellent approach. What I expect from les Canadiens de Montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 you coincidentally leave out when mentioning MT getting canned that gonchar the league leader in points at the time i think 3 years running was out all season! the penns struggled immensely because they didn't go out and get a schneider or a wiznewski or to a lesser extent MAB to help mitigate an extremely potent power play with gonchar as well as the guy that was logging 25+minutes a night on the top pair!! So yes blysma came in and went 18-3 BUT it was at the exact same time gonchar returned from a 60 game injury!! who do you really think helped turn things around gonchar and his 60 points from the back end or the rookie Blysma who sat behind the bench and watched goncharset up a PP goal every night for the final 20 games of the season (pretty much) with malkin crosby and company... enough is enough... if your gonna make a point make it valid don't spit out part of the facts just to force feed your point.... remember how bad the habs are and were without markov and how there fortunes completely reversed the day he came back!! also, you have galchenyuk eased into 1st line centre as everyone wanted just as his 20 year frame has started to really fill in, you have beaulieau after all is demotions and pressure to get minutes finally work his way into the top 4 just before christmas... we have older veteran defensive depth/ presence to help push younger guys like beaulieau and emelin to not take a night off, you have dead wood like bourque pushed out the door diplomatically in favour of more young legs in sekac, moen a very useful player to help change a bad "culture" pushed aside in favour of a hab heart through in through with Wiese and family. If you ask me this management team INCLUDING THE COACH has a real plan and handle on getting this team younger, faster, stronger and most importantly better. they're already a contender i do say again and are moving forward, doing it with small steps seemingly one after another... so outside of a powerplay that i have suggested should of been fixed already given the the assets at there disposal... things are actually looking really good. i am starting to rout for MT "the underdog" as it seems whoever is coaching the habs any given year even though they are winning and are a top 5/10 team in the league seem to be incompetent compared to the invisible better coach available!! a couple points out of first led by the stingiest goalie in hockey and a team not yet firing on all cylinders especially without a PP. all this preceded by an ECF let down! not to shabby MT, not to shabby at all!! Not too shabby. Good point how Markov coming back was the major difference in the team going from bottom of the east to the top. Some were crediting Therrien for that turn around without even mentioning the return of Markov, "spitting out part of the facts just to force feed a point" The Gonchar being the real difference in pittsburg (not new coach) is very similar to Markov coming back just as Therrien took over. Well put. Thanks for the research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Not too shabby. Good point how Markov coming back was the major difference in the team going from bottom of the east to the top. Some were crediting Therrien for that turn around without even mentioning the return of Markov, "spitting out part of the facts just to force feed a point" The Gonchar being the real difference in pittsburg (not new coach) is very similar to Markov coming back just as Therrien took over. Well put. Thanks for the research. I try not to clutter up my posts with too much relevant research.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Not too shabby. Good point how Markov coming back was the major difference in the team going from bottom of the east to the top. Some were crediting Therrien for that turn around without even mentioning the return of Markov, "spitting out part of the facts just to force feed a point" The Gonchar being the real difference in pittsburg (not new coach) is very similar to Markov coming back just as Therrien took over. Well put. Thanks for the research. wow! no research was done here... just knowledge of the conference i enjoy following... just like you enjoy following your leafs or whatever team you truly route for cause it sure aint the habs... or so it seems! i believe! I am not sure who was crediting michel for the habs turnaround from a few seasons ago but it certainly wasn't me! (all though he did help give structure to a team that had lost its way since they lost there on ice general in markov). Also, considering 99% of us all knew it was just a mere blimp in the road. That single losing season was clearly not a reflection of the habs or who they have become but a mere anomaly. It makes me wonder your point unless it is about the fact we were to good to be lucky enough to draft 3rd overall and get galchenyuk to help propel us to contender status. back to that season, the anticipation of markov's return that season went on most of the year... he was suppose to return game 5, then game 15, then before christmas, after christmas until game 70 somenthing. this i believe played a huge part in the habs losing season along with a few others. I'm pretty sure we lost like a million games by 1 goal and led the league in that stat! in fact we led the league with the most OT losses as well. of course markov was the single biggest reason we improved the following season. i believe we were a 70% winning team prior to him going down in the years leading up to his injury. it is only logical that we would return to those winning ways once he returned... still though you make me laugh... Michel therrien knows way more then you do when it comes to running my habs... wayyy more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 wow! no research was done here... just knowledge of the conference i enjoy following... just like you enjoy following your leafs or whatever team you truly route for cause it sure aint the habs... or so it seems! i believe! I am not sure who was crediting michel for the habs turnaround from a few seasons ago but it certainly wasn't me! (all though he did help give structure to a team that had lost its way since they lost there on ice general in markov). Also, considering 99% of us all knew it was just a mere blimp in the road. That single losing season was clearly not a reflection of the habs or who they have become but a mere anomaly. It makes me wonder your point unless it is about the fact we were to good to be lucky enough to draft 3rd overall and get galchenyuk to help propel us to contender status. back to that season, the anticipation of markov's return that season went on most of the year... he was suppose to return game 5, then game 15, then before christmas, after christmas until game 70 somenthing. this i believe played a huge part in the habs losing season along with a few others. I'm pretty sure we lost like a million games by 1 goal and led the league in that stat! in fact we led the league with the most OT losses as well. of course markov was the single biggest reason we improved the following season. i believe we were a 70% winning team prior to him going down in the years leading up to his injury. it is only logical that we would return to those winning ways once he returned... still though you make me laugh... Michel therrien knows way more then you do when it comes to running my habs... wayyy more! the habs last season under PG was a reflection of the effect horrible management can have on a team. Not much different than how the Gillis-Torterella was a reflection of the effect of a lousy coach and GM and how they have turned things around this year. That's why i don't credit the 27th overall to first in the East turnaround on MT. Even with an average coach, the pieces were there - a healthy Markov, Price, Subban and Macpac entering their prime, Pleks and Gorges to provide veteran leadership and an infusion of two exciting rookies with the two Gally's. At the end of the day, the last PG year turned out to be a blessing that yielded Galchenyuk. Our record is great right now, but I think that given our personal, we can be better than we are. We are relying way too much on Price. Yes he is our best players and we are reaping the benefit of that. But team can't continue to be asleep in the first period and have their goalie bail them out of horrible defensive play. You can't be a true contender with that formula. name me a single team - including the Roy habs team that were under-rated because of the accolades Roy got for stealing them a cup in 86 (defense included Robinson, Chelios, Green, Ludwig, and defensive specialist like Gainey, Carboneau, Scrudland, MacPhee), or 93 (solid offence from Muller, Bellows, Damphouse and a Leclair showing signs of the dominant player he would be, along with Desjardins, Schneider anchoring the blue line and Carbo and Keane solid defensively up front). Those teams did not let a barrage of shots on Roy like the current has are. A team that gives up this many chances and completely relies on its goalies generally doesn't sustain a winning record over time (see the Avs), or succeed in the playoffs (when defensive play tightens up). The positive is that there is no reason for our PP to be as bad as it is given the skill up front and the blue line, improving the PP should happen and will be like adding a deadline acquisition. Having said that, i think we are two players away from being a team that can not only compete in the East, but can stack up to the western powerhouses. IMO, we need another top 6 scoring winger and a shutdown #3 dman). What i don't want is rentals. I want to add to the core. A yakapov up front would do nicely with Maxpac and Galchenyuk. Meyers would be absolutely a great pickup, but would probably cost to much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 the habs last season under PG was a reflection of the effect horrible management can have on a team. Not much different than how the Gillis-Torterella was a reflection of the effect of a lousy coach and GM and how they have turned things around this year. That's why i don't credit the 27th overall to first in the East turnaround on MT. Even with an average coach, the pieces were there - a healthy Markov, Price, Subban and Macpac entering their prime, Pleks and Gorges to provide veteran leadership and an infusion of two exciting rookies with the two Gally's. At the end of the day, the last PG year turned out to be a blessing that yielded Galchenyuk. Our record is great right now, but I think that given our personal, we can be better than we are. We are relying way too much on Price. Yes he is our best players and we are reaping the benefit of that. But team can't continue to be asleep in the first period and have their goalie bail them out of horrible defensive play. You can't be a true contender with that formula. name me a single team - including the Roy habs team that were under-rated because of the accolades Roy got for stealing them a cup in 86 (defense included Robinson, Chelios, Green, Ludwig, and defensive specialist like Gainey, Carboneau, Scrudland, MacPhee), or 93 (solid offence from Muller, Bellows, Damphouse and a Leclair showing signs of the dominant player he would be, along with Desjardins, Schneider anchoring the blue line and Carbo and Keane solid defensively up front). Those teams did not let a barrage of shots on Roy like the current has are. A team that gives up this many chances and completely relies on its goalies generally doesn't sustain a winning record over time (see the Avs), or succeed in the playoffs (when defensive play tightens up). The positive is that there is no reason for our PP to be as bad as it is given the skill up front and the blue line, improving the PP should happen and will be like adding a deadline acquisition. Having said that, i think we are two players away from being a team that can not only compete in the East, but can stack up to the western powerhouses. IMO, we need another top 6 scoring winger and a shutdown #3 dman). What i don't want is rentals. I want to add to the core. A yakapov up front would do nicely with Maxpac and Galchenyuk. Meyers would be absolutely a great pickup, but would probably cost to much. Habs29 you make far too much sense. This is not what the other guys want to hear. Powerplay? who cares, look at the standings. 1st period doldrums, pish posh, look at the standings. What we know for sure is that it is the players fault. They aren't executing the systems. Any way there is no point in pointing out that we are very fortunate to be where we are, cause just look at the standings, the why's and the wherefores are irrelevant. He is Le Genius and he has a system, we just don't know what it is, cause we are not Genius'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 PG wasn't as bad at his job as we might think... he did help play a part in a lot of good things also before his ultimate demise. His team management skills were skeptical at best during the teams implosion that season and JM just didn't have it to get us through games any more. PK Subban was still to young to lead a team on his own on the backend and the team just seemed to always fall short by a single goal each and every game. As a team we were catching zero breaks. I truly believe that with the addition of markov the entire season the team would of been a bubble team and probably made the playoffs as an 8 seed again. thankfully that didn't happen as it fast forwarded us to today and PG is gone as well as host of others, and this team's infusion of youth and speed being a breath of fresh air that we have been craving. agree we need another legit offensive stud to really get the weight off of one line to produce each and every night.. the number 3 spot i think is beaulieau's for the taking and tinordi's eventual promotion will be that shutdown guy we all crave. patch galchenyuk gallagher ?? plex sekac DD eller paranteau prust malholtra weise bournival i still think the PP woes will correct as this 2nd half season unfolds.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 PG was in charge of pro scouting. It was probably him, who would have recommended a washed up Gomez. He traded for a washed up Kaberle. I don't credit him for the draft picks - that's Timmens, PG wasn't as bad at his job as we might think... he did help play a part in a lot of good things also before his ultimate demise. His team management skills were skeptical at best during the teams implosion that season and JM just didn't have it to get us through games any more. PK Subban was still to young to lead a team on his own on the backend and the team just seemed to always fall short by a single goal each and every game. As a team we were catching zero breaks. I truly believe that with the addition of markov the entire season the team would of been a bubble team and probably made the playoffs as an 8 seed again. thankfully that didn't happen as it fast forwarded us to today and PG is gone as well as host of others, and this team's infusion of youth and speed being a breath of fresh air that we have been craving. agree we need another legit offensive stud to really get the weight off of one line to produce each and every night.. the number 3 spot i think is beaulieau's for the taking and tinordi's eventual promotion will be that shutdown guy we all crave. patch galchenyuk gallagher ?? plex sekac DD eller paranteau prust malholtra weise bournival i still think the PP woes will correct as this 2nd half season unfolds.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 There are just too many Habs fans now that watch the team with the rose coloured glasses that leafs fans have been wearing for over 45 years. I love the Habs, always have and always will, but will criticize the teams weaknesses and will never accept the stupid affirmative action personnel policies. Back in 1981 Dryden wrote that the Habs will have to make a choice of being French, or winning. I just want to win - and I don't friggin care about the friggin standings, I just want the friggin cup. Habs29 you make far too much sense. This is not what the other guys want to hear. Powerplay? who cares, look at the standings. 1st period doldrums, pish posh, look at the standings. What we know for sure is that it is the players fault. They aren't executing the systems. Any way there is no point in pointing out that we are very fortunate to be where we are, cause just look at the standings, the why's and the wherefores are irrelevant. He is Le Genius and he has a system, we just don't know what it is, cause we are not Genius'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Legitimate Habs criticisms: - Habs don't shoot the puck enough - Habs rely on Price too much - Habs don't start the first period with enough offensive flair - Alexei Emelin has not been playing up to his contract - Hole in top six RW since Parenteau has not stepped up - PP could be stronger - Habs need to draw more penalties despite the league cracking down on them Not legitimate Habs criticisms: - Therrien changes the lines too much - We suck if the PP sucks - David Desharnais doesn't belong on the team - If Nathan Beaulieu has less than 20 points he's a failure - I just don't like Therrien - Habs don't dominate their road games, they merely win them - The kids are ruined in the AHL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Agree with what you've got, but I'd add overall defensive play in the 1st period and the the need of an upgrade on the 2nd pairing - which MIGHT be addressed by the new Beaulieu-gonchar pairing. Legitimate Habs criticisms: - Habs don't shoot the puck enough - Habs rely on Price too much - Habs don't start the first period with enough offensive flair - Alexei Emelin has not been playing up to his contract - Hole in top six RW since Parenteau has not stepped up - PP could be stronger - Habs need to draw more penalties despite the league cracking down on them Not legitimate Habs criticisms: - Therrien changes the lines too much - We suck if the PP sucks - David Desharnais doesn't belong on the team - If Nathan Beaulieu has less than 20 points he's a failure - I just don't like Therrien - Habs don't dominate their road games, they merely win them - The kids are ruined in the AHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Agree with what you've got, but I'd add overall defensive play in the 1st period and the the need of an upgrade on the 2nd pairing - which MIGHT be addressed by the new Beaulieu-gonchar pairing. I agree on Beaulieu-Gonchar. Perfect pairing. Beaulieu faster, Gonchar smarter. They complement each other quite well. Montreal recently has had some serious defensive collapses in the first but overall we haven't allowed as many first period goals as it might seem. 29 is one more than Tampa and Detroit and one less than Chicago. We're the best team in the league for not allowing second period goals and 10th for not allowing third period goals. We've actually allowed more 3rd period goals than 1st period. We are the worst team in the league for first period goals but 11th for second period and 3rd for 3rd period goals. I think we're a bit better of a defensive team than we get credit for and that's with admitting that guys like Subban and Emelin aren't playing up to where they should be. Subban could be a little better but he's still playing like a top defenceman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Machine's post is a good one. Part of what's fuels the endless argumentation, I think, is that folks lose sight of the difference between saying MT is imperfect, and saying that he should be fired. I'm fine with the former, irritated by the latter, especially given the absence of any obviously-superior bilingual replacement. Most of the "Therrien defenders" (and unbelievably for a guy who wanted ANYONE other than him when we were hiring, I seem to be one these days) are really just arguing that firing him would be an over-reaction, not that he is awesome. And personally, I think nearly any replacement would bring his own set of strengths and weaknesses, not just unalloyed coaching perfection, and certainly not unalloyed coaching perfection in the opinion of the fans with a long history of being chronically critical of coaches. Unless we bag one of the tiny number of truly elite coaches out there, it'll be a case of trading one flawed coach for another: pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 wow! no research was done here... just knowledge of the conference i enjoy following... just like you enjoy following your leafs or whatever team you truly route for cause it sure aint the habs... or so it seems! i believe! I am not sure who was crediting michel for the habs turnaround from a few seasons ago but it certainly wasn't me! (all though he did help give structure to a team that had lost its way since they lost there on ice general in markov). Also, considering 99% of us all knew it was just a mere blimp in the road. That single losing season was clearly not a reflection of the habs or who they have become but a mere anomaly. It makes me wonder your point unless it is about the fact we were to good to be lucky enough to draft 3rd overall and get galchenyuk to help propel us to contender status. back to that season, the anticipation of markov's return that season went on most of the year... he was suppose to return game 5, then game 15, then before christmas, after christmas until game 70 somenthing. this i believe played a huge part in the habs losing season along with a few others. I'm pretty sure we lost like a million games by 1 goal and led the league in that stat! in fact we led the league with the most OT losses as well. of course markov was the single biggest reason we improved the following season. i believe we were a 70% winning team prior to him going down in the years leading up to his injury. it is only logical that we would return to those winning ways once he returned... still though you make me laugh... Michel therrien knows way more then you do when it comes to running my habs... wayyy more! lol Yes i guess he would. He knows way more than me? Hire that man ! What You therrien lovers seem to forget is that nobody was saying he is as capable as Bubbles from Trailer Park...............what was said that put your guys shorts in a knot was that the habs could certainly improve at the head coaching position. That Therrien was hired because there was nobody else available. Have read nothing on this site that disputes that. no research " oh you just happened to know with looking it up the exact point in the season five years ago that Gonchar came back from an injury. Yea thats common knowledge among all hab fans. Sounds to me like you may be a Pens fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 Legitimate Habs criticisms: - Habs don't shoot the puck enough - Habs rely on Price too much - Habs don't start the first period with enough offensive flair - Alexei Emelin has not been playing up to his contract - Hole in top six RW since Parenteau has not stepped up - PP could be stronger - Habs need to draw more penalties despite the league cracking down on them Not legitimate Habs criticisms: - Therrien changes the lines too much - We suck if the PP sucks - David Desharnais doesn't belong on the team - If Nathan Beaulieu has less than 20 points he's a failure - I just don't like Therrien - Habs don't dominate their road games, they merely win them - The kids are ruined in the AHL I pretty much agree with what you have said here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 Machine's post is a good one. Part of what's fuels the endless argumentation, I think, is that folks lose sight of the difference between saying MT is imperfect, and saying that he should be fired. I'm fine with the former, irritated by the latter, especially given the absence of any obviously-superior bilingual replacement. Most of the "Therrien defenders" (and unbelievably for a guy who wanted ANYONE other than him when we were hiring, I seem to be one these days) are really just arguing that firing him would be an over-reaction, not that he is awesome. And personally, I think nearly any replacement would bring his own set of strengths and weaknesses, not just unalloyed coaching perfection, and certainly not unalloyed coaching perfection in the opinion of the fans with a long history of being chronically critical of coaches. Unless we bag one of the tiny number of truly elite coaches out there, it'll be a case of trading one flawed coach for another: pointless. Good point, for instance this thread is not about firing Le Genius. It is about the fact that the power play has to improve. We definitely have the player talent, so what is the problem? I would say that Le Genius needs to find a guy who can actually coach the P/P we certainly do not seem to have one now, and if you look at his stats, it is not something he is good at. At least the A/coaches don't have to be french speaking so should be an easier job. Now someone brought up power play opportunities (ppo) , which can be used in a couple of ways. 1. our p/p is actually worse than we think because smaller samples tend to produce higher percentages. 2. if we get the p/p working then it will jump up the ladder for the same reason. The reason I put this thread out there is because every one was bogged down in Le Genius being fired etc. I thought if we could take a look at an actual problem that I don't think any one can dispute, we could stay away from all the personal attack crap which is being propagated by a select few. BCHabnut has it right. I think that having varying opinions, is a big part of these boards. I don't think censoring is a good thing. A simple periodic reminder to switch up the topic now and then van really help. In this case, true topic is le genius and the pp. The pp is horrible, and may be the fault of LG, so I think if we stick to that line of discussion and avoid the silly internet fights we would be fine. This is not directed at anyone in particular. Habs 30/31 does need to tone it down a little and so do some other people on here. As Brian has said many a time, kicking people off the board, calling them leaf trolls etc is not what this board is about. Ignore does work as I can attest to. If it really bothers you that much to listen to another Habs fan's opinion then use it. The only problem with that is why the heck are we here if we all ignore everyone. Talk about a clickey little board this would become. Habs fans are smarter than the other guys and perhaps that is what causes all these disputes. All I know is that most of us are true Habs fans here and should be able to discuss topics without knives and guns being pulled (metaphorically speaking). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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