habs rule Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 I don't think he actually had them working the PP - there's nothing wrong with it remember. I think he just has a little trouble counting -and keeping things straight. is that 6 skaters with Price, or without , hmmmm, I can't remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Yes I think it is time to bring someone in. Get the powerplay going. In other words take all that talent and come up with a system that transfers from your x's & o's board and the practice rink to the ice during a game. Its has lacked direction, finish and results for too long now. Get it going or get some one who can get it going. Hoping for some luck is not a plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Yes I think it is time to bring someone in. Get the powerplay going. In other words take all that talent and come up with a system that transfers from your x's & o's board and the practice rink to the ice during a game. Its has lacked direction, finish and results for too long now. Get it going or get some one who can get it going. Hoping for some luck is not a plan. What about trying some new players. Second PP unit should be DD-Eller-Sekac. They literally change nothing It's drives me insane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 What about trying some new players. Second PP unit should be DD-Eller-Sekac. They literally change nothing It's drives me insane Yep, me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 What about trying some new players. Second PP unit should be DD-Eller-Sekac. They literally change nothing It's drives me insane Most definitely. Something, anything that shows they are bound and determined to get a top flight power play going. The lack of confidence in trying new looks, with different players reaks. "it drives me insane" I hear ya man ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 One of the problems with the P/P is it is predictable. If their forwards attack Markov or Subban the P/P falls apart. The one move they do (not enough) is to bring Markov from the point to the dot and feed him the puck. I would actually like to try Patches Markov Galchenyuk up front with Gonchar and Subban back. Markov is actually a converted forward. He only started to play defence when he came to N/A. Or Subban up front. Fork just do something to actually screw with the opposing defense. What we got right now is a leisurely skate for 2 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 here is a very good read on the p/p http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eric-Engels/The-Habs-Powerplay-is-Missing-Jaromir-Jagr/82/65468 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 One of the problems with the P/P is it is predictable. If their forwards attack Markov or Subban the P/P falls apart. The one move they do (not enough) is to bring Markov from the point to the dot and feed him the puck. I would actually like to try Patches Markov Galchenyuk up front with Gonchar and Subban back. Markov is actually a converted forward. He only started to play defence when he came to N/A. Or Subban up front. Fork just do something to actually screw with the opposing defense. What we got right now is a leisurely skate for 2 minutes. Montreal has way too much talent up front to be running a D man as a forward. I do agree with the fact that Subban and Markov are relied on too on special teams though.I wasn't against the four forwards as the first unit, but that lasted about two games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Montreal has way too much talent up front to be running D man as a forward. I do agree with the fact that Subban and Markov are relied on too on special teams though. I wasn't against the four forwards as the first unit, but lasted about two games I agree they have a ton of talent up front but it isn't clicking. Do something to shake it up, anything I don't care I just want to see some improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I agree they have a ton of talent up front but it isn't clicking. Do something to shake it up, anything I don't care I just want to see some improvement. Yessir, I hear ya. I'm not even against Beaulieu out there as top pair with Subban or Markov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 One of the problems with the P/P is it is predictable. If their forwards attack Markov or Subban the P/P falls apart. The one move they do (not enough) is to bring Markov from the point to the dot and feed him the puck. I would actually like to try Patches Markov Galchenyuk up front with Gonchar and Subban back. Markov is actually a converted forward. He only started to play defence when he came to N/A. Or Subban up front. Fork just do something to actually screw with the opposing defense. What we got right now is a leisurely skate for 2 minutes. Interesting and informative as i did not know that AM used to be a forward. Yes try anything for crying out loud. Forty some odd game left till play offs............use the next twenty getting creative and experimenting. Not exactly a mosaic task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Here's a quick fun fact: Top teams in the league right now: 1. Nashville (25th PP) 2. Anaheim (23rd PP) 3. Chicago (15th PP) 4. Tampa (16th PP) 5. Pittsburgh (7th PP) 6. Montreal (27th PP) As you can clearly see, we aren't the only ones that have a bunch of points despite a lackluster power play. Habs are clicking at a 14.2% rate, while the league average is a mere 4.3% higher at 18.5%. While there definitely is room for improvement, it's not the end of the world right now. There's plenty of time to work on it before the wins become more and more important. I think because we have had the third least amount of PP time so far, combined with the talent on the team, those numbers will gradually rise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Interesting and informative as i did not know that AM used to be a forward. Yes try anything for crying out loud. Forty some odd game left till play offs............use the nest twenty getting creative and experimenting. Not exactly a mosaic task. Agreed 100 %-- PP struggling for well over a year, if not longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Agreed 100 %-- PP struggling for well over a year, if not longer Actually it has been on a downward trend for 3 years. Just after we got that new coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 June 27 2011, Kirk Muller took AHL job. PP went from 7th in 10/11 to 28th in 2011-12 Up to 5th in 12/13, down to 19th last year Back to 27th now. So safe to say has sucked for year and 1/2 at least. I think PP was good in first 1/2 last year wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 no clue Don, but it has been far too long imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 You just think it wouldn't be that complicated, but many teams struggle even with 3 or 4 all-stars on the 1st PP group (don't think you can lay it at feet of Crazy Mike, but what do I know?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 You just think it wouldn't be that complicated, but many teams struggle even with 3 or 4 all-stars on the 1st PP group (don't think you can lay it at feet of Crazy Mike, but what do I know?) Every coach has his weaknesses and strengths, in the case of Le Genius he has trouble with the power play and getting the guys going early. And a few other things but I digress. When a coach knows that he has a weakness the smart thing to do is get an expert in that field. There is some conjecture as to who actually runs the Habs P/P, but whoever it is he is not too good at it. He must have missed that section in the coach's handbook. In my years of watching and playing hockey I have noticed that some coaches' strategy is just throw your best players out there and hope for the best. A lot of coaches will ignore the P/P and hope the players figure it out. I don't know what Le Genius' take on the P/P is but I think he really needs to take a good long look at what is happening. Now it is possible that he is restricted in hiring assistants, some teams GM's will do the hiring of assistants and coaches, (control freak types). So this whole problem may not be Le Genius' fault if his hands are tied. It is possible that it is MB's fault if he hired the assistants. This team has an offence problem, they don't score enough goals. One of the easiest ways to solve that is to get the P/P working. We have a world class goalie who we rely on too much. This generally ends up biting you in the ass. An old saying we had in the car business was " volume will cover a multitude of sins" Well in this case our goaltending is covering up some sins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Every coach has his weaknesses and strengths, in the case of Le Genius he has trouble with the power play and getting the guys going early. And a few other things but I digress. When a coach knows that he has a weakness the smart thing to do is get an expert in that field. There is some conjecture as to who actually runs the Habs P/P, but whoever it is he is not too good at it. He must have missed that section in the coach's handbook. In my years of watching and playing hockey I have noticed that some coaches' strategy is just throw your best players out there and hope for the best. A lot of coaches will ignore the P/P and hope the players figure it out. I don't know what Le Genius' take on the P/P is but I think he really needs to take a good long look at what is happening. Now it is possible that he is restricted in hiring assistants, some teams GM's will do the hiring of assistants and coaches, (control freak types). So this whole problem may not be Le Genius' fault if his hands are tied. It is possible that it is MB's fault if he hired the assistants. This team has an offence problem, they don't score enough goals. One of the easiest ways to solve that is to get the P/P working. We have a world class goalie who we rely on too much. This generally ends up biting you in the ass. An old saying we had in the car business was " volume will cover a multitude of sins" Well in this case our goaltending is covering up some sins. Yes i suppose if the habs like the bruins and leafs were teetering on 8th spot, every single point was life or death in making play offs. If that was the case AND the power play was this bad?Well it would be urgent, with major benefits from getting it going. Getting the power play going may be just enough to separate your from the 8th place battlers and secure that last play off spot. But when you are comfortably sitting second (some times first) may not seem so urgent. But when you run up against your equal, or better every night in a play off series? Well, suddenly it becomes urgent. ...............................that's all I'm saying. After all, hockey is all about play offs. The regular season is nothing more than 82 games (plus practices) to build a play off ready team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Yes i suppose if the habs like the bruins and leafs were teetering on 8th spot, every snigle point was life or death in making play offs. If that was the case AND the power play was this bad?Well it would be would be urgent, with major benefits from getting it going. Getting the powerplay going may be just enough to separate your from the 8th place battlers and secure that last play off spot. But when you are comfortably sitting second (some times first) may not seem so urgent. But when you run up against your equal, or better every night in a play off series? Well, suddenly it becomes urgent. ...............................thats all I'm saying. After all, hockey is all about play offs. The regular season is nothing more than 82 games (plus practices) to build a play off ready team. Totally correct, that is why now is the time to work on our weaknesses not when all hell is breaking loose and we suddenly need some offence. They still have lots of time but it is a wasting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Amidst all the talk about technical solutions to the power-play (changing the formations, etc.), I'd speculate that the PP and the 1st-period woes have fundamentally different causes. For me, a floundering PP owes a lot to shaky confidence. You get quality players who suddenly can't generate anything once they have the man advantage, the explanation is probably a mental block. Seen that way, there's no easy answer except to go back to basics and try to turn the battleship slowly around, hoping that you can bag a few and rebuild your self-belief. Conversely, I see the bad starts as sort of the opposite, a symptom of complacency: 'hey, we don't have to start hard, Price will bail us out, the formula is working,' etc.. Of course this may all be out to lunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Amidst all the talk about technical solutions to the power-play (changing the formations, etc.), I'd speculate that the PP and the 1st-period woes have fundamentally different causes. For me, a floundering PP owes a lot to shaky confidence. You get quality players who suddenly can't generate anything once they have the man advantage, the explanation is probably a mental block. Seen that way, there's no easy answer except to go back to basics and try to turn the battleship slowly around, hoping that you can bag a few and rebuild your self-belief. Conversely, I see the bad starts as sort of the opposite, a symptom of complacency: 'hey, we don't have to start hard, Price will bail us out, the formula is working,' etc.. Of course this may all be out to lunch. I don't think you are out to lunch at all. That is a very reasonable approach to the powerplay, we may have seen that started already ( I frigging hope so) and I think it was DD who basically said that they have Price so they don't worry too much. Maybe we need to play Tokarski for a while to shake things up. Maybe if they did not have that safety net back there it would instill a little fire in the belly. Might cost us a couple of games now but it could spell good things for the rest of the season. Either that or Le Genius needs to get his cork boots out and start kicking some a$$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I don't think you are out to lunch at all. That is a very reasonable approach to the powerplay, we may have seen that started already ( I frigging hope so) and I think it was DD who basically said that they have Price so they don't worry too much. Maybe we need to play Tokarski for a while to shake things up. Maybe if they did not have that safety net back there it would instill a little fire in the belly. Might cost us a couple of games now but it could spell good things for the rest of the season. Either that or Le Genius needs to get his cork boots out and start kicking some a$$. I don't buy the mental block suggestion---- they should have worked out of it by now--- just gone on to long to accept that rational Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 I don't buy the mental block suggestion---- they should have worked out of it by now--- just gone on to long to accept that rational IF that is what it is then it can take some time cause every game re-inforces that you can't score on the P/P. It may take something drastic like sitting PK out of the P/P. just to shake things up. But hey the cork boots are still an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 IF that is what it is then it can take some time cause every game re-inforces that you can't score on the P/P. It may take something drastic like sitting PK out of the P/P. just to shake things up. But hey the cork boots are still an option. Believe i posted this before. Tomas Holmstrom of the Detroit Red Wings never used to be a power play specialist. He never used to screen goalies, tip shots, slam home rebounds, and make dmen work double over time in front of their own goalie. So how did he become that player? Holmstrom credits his coach. Scotty Bowman had a dynamite team with good d at the point. Snipers on the wing but he did not a have a great net front presence. He picked out Tomas Holmstrom. Told him that "i want you in front of the net". "If you go behind it, beside it, or into the corners I wont play you". "If you stay in front of the net I will play you all night." Bowman saw a need. Figured out a way to fill it. The rest is history. That is called good coaching. If i was coaching the Habs with this garbage power play I would make Lars Eller my Tomas Holmstrom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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