Lovett's Magnatones Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 That is for sure. Pleks practically led the league in ice time last year for all forwards. Marleau and one other had a slightly more. MT uses him like he is Mark Messier. no no. just have him do SOMETHING different with a power play. Tall order for him I know. But hey give him a chance. His limited coaching abilities and being nowhere near scottys league is common knowledge. I don't think they have the personnel. We're missing a Kovalev or Cammalleri on the half wall. The power play shouldn't be as bad as it is, but many fans are assuming the PP should be elite because of Subban and Markov. They don't have any PP specialists on forward. This current iteration of the Habs has one move on the power play, and the league figured it out after the lockout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 I don't think they have the personnel. We're missing a Kovalev or Cammalleri on the half wall. The power play shouldn't be as bad as it is, but many fans are assuming the PP should be elite because of Subban and Markov. They don't have any PP specialists on forward. This current iteration of the Habs has one move on the power play, and the league figured it out after the lockout. So we should do nothing? I don't think we will have an elite P/P but one that is reasonable would be ok. 27th in the league is not reasonable. Somewhere in the top 15 is reasonable. With the players we have up front that should be doable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Plekanec and Pacioretty have hardly played together this year, let alone last. These were the most successful/most used PP combos last year, you'll note that Plekanec and Pacioretty seldom were together (and not with Desharnais when they were): http://www.cs.unb.ca/~mwf/habs/2013-14/regseason/pp.html This year, they don't show up on the list at all - http://www.cs.unb.ca/~mwf/habs/pp.html To be honest, last night was the first time I recall seeing that trio together at any time. The commonly used one was Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gallagher with Plekanec (and last year, Gionta) on the 2nd unit. The only real time Pacioretty and Plekanec have played together is in 4-on-4 situations, primarily shorthanded. Edit: Here's a listing of the top used combinations at any time this season, Pacioretty-Desharnais-Plekanec isn't on the list and as a result, can't have played more than 21:51 as a trio all year. That's not a regular PP unit at all. I don't know of you can do it Brian but I would like to see individual points per game time on the power play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I don't think they have the personnel. We're missing a Kovalev or Cammalleri on the half wall. The power play shouldn't be as bad as it is, but many fans are assuming the PP should be elite because of Subban and Markov. They don't have any PP specialists on forward. This current iteration of the Habs has one move on the power play, and the league figured it out after the lockout. they might be a kovelov away from having the no 1 powerplay in the nhl.................... but what they have now should not be sucking dirt. Thet are on pace to finish with florida and buffalo among power play smurfs, bottom of the league. That aint because they have no kovy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 they might be a kovelov away from having the no 1 powerplay in the nhl.................... but what they have now should not be sucking dirt. Thet are on pace to finish with florida and buffalo among power play smurfs, bottom of the league. That aint because they have no kovy. The biggest problem is Montreal can't find a way to enter the zone on the power play. Subban kept skating into traffic at the blue line every time he tried to wheel in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Sekac..Galchenyuk..Pacioretty..Subban..Markov. Not hard to figure out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I don't know of you can do it Brian but I would like to see individual points per game time on the power play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Boy - Sekac on the PP looks like a no-brainer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Boy - Sekac on the PP looks like a no-brainer Mhmmmmmmm. He's in Therrien's dog house, I swear. I've stated this before, Gallagher is not a power play guy. He's excellent 5 on 5, but the power play isn't his bread and butter. +1 Dlbalr nice to see the numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Sekac on the pp sure does look like a no brainer. When dd and pleks retire MT will have room for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The biggest problem is Montreal can't find a way to enter the zone on the power play. Subban kept skating into traffic at the blue line every time he tried to wheel in. I completely agree. On most powerplays, it takes the habs sooo much time to settle in the offensive zone, that by the time they actually do settle in the zone, there's less than 30 seconds left on the PP. The guys are all nervous now. They are gripping their sticks tightly and not much is going on on the PP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 I completely agree. On most powerplays, it takes the habs sooo much time to settle in the offensive zone, that by the time they actually do settle in the zone, there's less than 30 seconds left on the PP. The guys are all nervous now. They are gripping their sticks tightly and not much is going on on the PP. I hate to say this but the one thing Gomer was good at was carrying the puck into the opposition end. Unfortunately he was usually by himself and would immediately give the puck back. Getting the puck in and setting up can't take 30 or 4 secs and 3 tries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I hate to say this but the one thing Gomer was good at was carrying the puck into the opposition end. Unfortunately he was usually by himself and would immediately give the puck back. Getting the puck in and setting up can't take 30 or 4 secs and 3 tries. Gomez was the original "Corsi is broken" example because he was/is an elite puck carrying player but didn't do anything with the puck after. A good modern example is Benoit Pouliot, who is doing next to nothing in Edmonton because he can carry a puck but can't do anything after that. There's a huge gap of difference between a Gomez type who can carry it in but do nothing after and a guy like P.K. Subban who can carry the puck into any zone, retain possession for teammates to cross the zone and allow a play to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Gomez was the original "Corsi is broken" example because he was/is an elite puck carrying player but didn't do anything with the puck after. A good modern example is Benoit Pouliot, who is doing next to nothing in Edmonton because he can carry a puck but can't do anything after that. There's a huge gap of difference between a Gomez type who can carry it in but do nothing after and a guy like P.K. Subban who can carry the puck into any zone, retain possession for teammates to cross the zone and allow a play to start. Gomez had about 10 years there where he was both superb at carrying the puck/zone entry and then at setting up plays. Unfortunately those skills deserted him in his second year with us. The problem with Subban is that he has NOT been doing what you describe, especially not on the PP. On the contrary, it's been an exercise in futility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Gomez had about 10 years there where he was both superb at carrying the puck/zone entry and then at setting up plays. Unfortunately those skills deserted him in his second year with us. The problem with Subban is that he has NOT been doing what you describe, especially not on the PP. On the contrary, it's been an exercise in futility. True, but that's still Subban as a player. The PP has been a collective mess. Teams know the Habs are trying new things and by closing in on them there's no confidence in the plays. I like the new PP lines. Could see something come out of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'm not sure about the critical thought process around Plekanec. He gets his points every year and is one of the best second line centres in the league, year in and year out. He is not a set up guy, but I can't fault Therrien for playing him. If I'm the coach, Plek is my guy too in almost every situation. Plek on the second wave pp makes sense to me. I would like to see sekac get some more pp time though. Plek is not the checking plugger that many have him pegged as here. He is a consistent 50 point player. I agree with the thought process on the half wall option. Our half wall option is not there right now. It is on coaching staff to practice different down low plays, so the PP is less predictable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'm not sure about the critical thought process around Plekanec. He gets his points every year and is one of the best second line centres in the league, year in and year out. He is not a set up guy, but I can't fault Therrien for playing him. If I'm the coach, Plek is my guy too in almost every situation. Plek on the second wave pp makes sense to me. I would like to see sekac get some more pp time though. Plek is not the checking plugger that many have him pegged as here. He is a consistent 50 point player. I agree with the thought process on the half wall option. Our half wall option is not there right now. It is on coaching staff to practice different down low plays, so the PP is less predictable. Agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I hate to say this but the one thing Gomer was good at was carrying the puck into the opposition end. Unfortunately he was usually by himself and would immediately give the puck back. Getting the puck in and setting up can't take 30 or 4 secs and 3 tries. yes and the opposition did not bite as they knew he was not going to do anything with it. Let him carry it as long as he liked and when he got even near contact he would dump it to a covered teammate. Dead play every time. I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 So much for the criticism of DD on the PP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 So much for the criticism of DD on the PP. If DD was a foot taller and weighed 225 there would be no criticism of him. He is a good hockey player, it just too bad he is a midget. I like his heart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 But gall darn it, why cant you have a fairly successful PP? Go down low with puck and instantly should have a 2 on 1 on one of d-men and these are the most skilled players on team? Why cant they connect on a few give and goes from corner or behind net? Is a bit mind boggling, but lots of teams go through stretches of crap PPs, not as long as this roster has; but still bit hard to wrap mind around (unless had Darche-Moan-Metropolit-Murray-Gill on the PP). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I'm not sure about the critical thought process around Plekanec. He gets his points every year and is one of the best second line centres in the league, year in and year out. He is not a set up guy, but I can't fault Therrien for playing him. If I'm the coach, Plek is my guy too in almost every situation. Plek on the second wave pp makes sense to me. I would like to see sekac get some more pp time though. Plek is not the checking plugger that many have him pegged as here. He is a consistent 50 point player. I agree with the thought process on the half wall option. Our half wall option is not there right now. It is on coaching staff to practice different down low plays, so the PP is less predictable. Some say he is over rated. Disappears in physical games. Plus player every regular season, minus player every play off season, without exception. Capable to do that, dont expect more. Good team player. Quiet and never gets injured. Very good penalty killer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 But gall darn it, why cant you have a fairly successful PP? Go down low with puck and instantly should have a 2 on 1 on one of d-men and these are the most skilled players on team? Why cant they connect on a few give and goes from corner or behind net? Is a bit mind boggling, but lots of teams go through stretches of crap PPs, not as long as this roster has; but still bit hard to wrap mind around (unless had Darche-Moan-Metropolit-Murray-Gill on the PP). good points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Thanks Brian-- Boys these are not great numbers. This is power play time on ice/ not straight time. Careful how you read the numbers. Ex Parenteau is getting point for every 10 / 2 min power plays he is on the ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 So much for the criticism of DD on the PP. it was 5 on 5 that dd got most of his critics talking ...one goal in fifty games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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