Machine of Loving Grace Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I saw some different formations and a lot less reliance on the puck going back to the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 The flight to St. John's leaves later today so I wouldn't be shocked to see a handful more cuts in the coming hours on top of the 17 from yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 You have to think at this point that MB is shopping hard for a Tinordi deal somewhere. Losing him for nothing via waivers wouldn't be ideal, and I just don't see him cracking the lineup. Unless perhaps they take a flyer on him and are looking to move an Emelin or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 9 more cut Thomas, McCarron, Gregoire, Dietz, Dumont, Hollaway, Ellis, Hanley, Carr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 9 more cuts today: F - McCarron, Carr, Thomas, Holloway, Dumont, Gregoire D - Dietz, Ellis, Hanley Thomas, Holloway, Dumont, and Ellis are all on waivers. I have to admit, I'm surprised Andrighetto wasn't cut but Carr was. I thought Carr was much better than Andrighetto in the preseason games. 31 players are left in camp. (Players in italics are injured.) G: Price, Tokarski, Condon D: Barberio, Beaulieu, Emelin, Gilbert, Juulsen, Markov, Pateryn, Petry, Subban, Tinordi F: Andrighetto, Bournival, de la Rose, Desharnais, Eller, Fleischmann, Flynn, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Hudon, Kassian, Mitchell, Pacioretty, Plekanec, Scherbak, Semin, Smith-Pelly, Weise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Will all 4 clear waivers? Ellis, Hollaway, Thomas and Dumont most likely of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I think all four will unless the Kings are still salty about Holloway quitting them and they pick him up. I used to be fine with Tinordi hitting waivers but with Boston having two defencemen injured you just know they'd pick him up off waivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Maybe Bruins grabbing Tinordi wouldn't be a bad thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Surprised that McCarron was cut today, thought maybe he would hang around till the very end. I thought he did not too bad in camp but has got to cut the penalties etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 Will all 4 clear waivers? Ellis, Hollaway, Thomas and Dumont most likely of course. All four should although there's a chance Thomas might get scooped. Given how he played in camp, he wouldn't be a big loss anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 All 4 cleared waivers at noon: http://www.habsworld.net/2015/09/christian-thomas-clears-waivers/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Not that any of these are elite prospects, but I often wonder about the extent of 'gentlemens' agreements' among GMs on this sort of stuff.l You know, 'don't steal my guys off waivers, I won't steal yours,' etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Not that any of these are elite prospects, but I often wonder about the extent of 'gentlemens' agreements' among GMs on this sort of stuff.l You know, 'don't steal my guys off waivers, I won't steal yours,' etc.. The last time the Habs entered a gentleman's agreement among GMs not to steal guys on waivers, we lost Francois Beauchemin. That stuff kind of happens with offer sheets but not so much waivers. Everyone knows the risks involved. Remember there's also a waiver wire so multiple teams could make offers but only one gets the player. That pushes GMs to make trade offers instead of trying waivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 Not that any of these are elite prospects, but I often wonder about the extent of 'gentlemens' agreements' among GMs on this sort of stuff.l You know, 'don't steal my guys off waivers, I won't steal yours,' etc.. I don't think you'd see any sort of agreement with waivers. This year in particular, it's the roster crunch that should have fewer than usual getting plucked off waivers. Why claim a guy like Thomas when there are more proven veterans out there who will settle for a similar salary and probably provide more? Up front, the only players I can really see getting plucked are role players (ie, if someone really, really wants a goon/high energy guy) or a team that wants to take a bit of a home run swing on someone they think has top six/nine potential. (Max Friberg's on waivers today and he may fall into that category.) On the blueline is where we'll see more action in terms of incremental gain players. Is this guy better than my current #7? If yes, you'll see a bit of musical chairs around this time next week. But, as MoLG notes, other GM's will be smart and try to make a trade to that team beforehand. The returns are going to be awfully poor though, it'll be a case of get something rather than nothing even if the something is very little. There's no real need for gentleman's agreements with waivers other something along the lines of 'call me before you waive so-and-so'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Good, thoughtful replies, boys. Thanks for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 With Scherbak gone, they're down to 30 in camp. They need to get down to 24 (23 + Bournival who will start on IR). It would seem that the likely remaining cuts are: - Juulsen (will play one game and then be sent back to junior) - Andrighetto - Hudon Then it gets interesting as you get into one or the other scenarios: - Tokarski or Condon - Barberio or Tinordi - de la Rose or Fleischmann (if he doesn't sign) Going that route would leave eight defencemen on the roster so if they want seven, replace the last forward cut with another d-man going. We weren't expecting many position battles in camp but it looks like a few may go down to the wire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCPetit Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 De la Rose will go down and Fleischmann will be signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 De la Rose will go down and Fleischmann will be signed. That seems to be the consensus. My hunch is that Bergevin would like to move a signed contract out (not necessarily a Hab, just someone on the 50) before committing to Fleischmann but that's just a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Couldn't the question be De la Rose vs. Smith-Pelly? DSP has been placed on a lot of fifth lines and playing LW would be his off wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I thought DSP was very underwhelming, in the one game I got to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Barberio is supposed to be weak defensively eh? He isn't MAB bad is he? I would think Bergevin has had some plan to deal with Tinordi for awhile now and from sounds of it his play is bout same as last year and unlikely to of changed Bergevin's mind from a likely conclusion to this 'issue. Lose him for nothing, trade for dick-all, sit him in press-box and hope some team has d-injuries early on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 Couldn't the question be De la Rose vs. Smith-Pelly? DSP has been placed on a lot of fifth lines and playing LW would be his off wing. Are the Habs really prepared to waive Smith-Pelly to keep de la Rose in a 12th/13th forward role? That seems like a waste. Neither have had strong camps so it's just as well to send DLR down to keep both players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Barberio is supposed to be weak defensively eh? He isn't MAB bad is he? I would think Bergevin has had some plan to deal with Tinordi for awhile now and from sounds of it his play is bout same as last year and unlikely to of changed Bergevin's mind from a likely conclusion to this 'issue. Lose him for nothing, trade for dick-all, sit him in press-box and hope some team has d-injuries early on? I didn't see that much weakness. Barberio knew how to get the puck out of our zone without an icing when pressured. Tinordi has failed on that constantly. I feel safer to win with Barberio playing 10 minutes than Tinordi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I only seen a little bit of Barberio but I thought he has looked pretty good out there and fits in well with this group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 I didn't see that much weakness. Barberio knew how to get the puck out of our zone without an icing when pressured. Tinordi has failed on that constantly. I feel safer to win with Barberio playing 10 minutes than Tinordi. To be fair, almost anyone can clear the puck better than Tinordi. We've seen Barberio's strengths so far, good skater, good passer, decent offensive instincts. The offensive end has never been a problem for him. It's the defensive end where he struggles. Right now against weaker competition, that doesn't stand out as much. Once they get into the regular season, that's likely to change. I can understand why you'd feel safer with Barberio than Tinordi as the latter provides a lot of nerve wracking moments. I'd rather neither were in the lineup though. Some want to put Barberio ahead of Emelin but I'd be more comfortable with Emelin than either of those two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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