Guest Stogey24 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Ya, Edmonton needs to get better now. They'll be making some moves this summer for sure. Maybe Montreal gets involved. They do have some trade history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Ya, Edmonton needs to get better now. They'll be making some moves this summer for sure. Maybe Montreal gets involved. They do have some trade history Is there anyone other than Beaulieu we could offer them, who would make sense from their POV? Frankly, I could see Plekanec being hugely valuable to that team over a 2-3 years span. Veteran leadership, impeccable professionalism, strong two-way game. (Not proposing a Pleks trade, just saying that he's about the only piece I could see fitting in with their need to get better now). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Is there anyone other than Beaulieu we could offer them, who would make sense from their POV? Frankly, I could see Plekanec being hugely valuable to that team over a 2-3 years span. Veteran leadership, impeccable professionalism, strong two-way game. (Not proposing a Pleks trade, just saying that he's about the only piece I could see fitting in with their need to get better now).i've been pushing for a Pleks trade for the last couple of years and I think Edmonton is a great fit - he's exactly what they need - solid two way veteran experienced player. Not sure if he's got a no-trade list protection to edmonton. If possible, i'd try packaging Emelin-Pleks to EDM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Plek doesn't have a NTC this year. If the deal is right, wouldn't be terribly surprised to see him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 i've been pushing for a Pleks trade for the last couple of years and I think Edmonton is a great fit - he's exactly what they need - solid two way veteran experienced player. Not sure if he's got a no-trade list protection to edmonton. If possible, i'd try packaging Emelin-Pleks to EDM. Yeah I agree Pleks and Emlin to Edm Rnh and Yak to montreal. I'm in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 It's a tempting scenario - get a talented young player back for the "pick + stuff." But what's less clear to me is why the Oilers would do it. They're not just looking to get rid of their young FWs, after all; they want to turn those guys into assets that will make them a better team, preferably sooner rather than later. No? Possibly Oilers might want to draft a Matthews plus add a d-man with pick 9 or 10? But is just a thought and perhaps Oiler GM has zero interest in trading a player for another prospect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Is there anyone other than Beaulieu we could offer them, who would make sense from their POV? Frankly, I could see Plekanec being hugely valuable to that team over a 2-3 years span. Veteran leadership, impeccable professionalism, strong two-way game. (Not proposing a Pleks trade, just saying that he's about the only piece I could see fitting in with their need to get better now). And Plekanec's contract extension hasn't even started yet, so aint happening...back to package including Beaulieu as more likely option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 And Plekanec's contract extension hasn't even started yet, so aint happening...back to package including Beaulieu as more likely option. What does his extension not starting have anything to do with it. Lots of teams have traded players right after signing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 What does his extension not starting have anything to do with it. Lots of teams have traded players right after signing them. His current NTC is in effect until the extension starts (July 1st). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Do you know what the trade restrictions are for pleks, Markov and yemelin after July 1st? His current NTC is in effect until the extension starts (July 1st). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Do you know what the trade restrictions are for pleks, Markov and yemelin after July 1st? Current: Plekanec: Modified (I don't have the details but it's not a full clause) Markov: Can block a trade to 12 teams (tradeable to 17) Emelin: Full NTC After July 1: Plekanec: No NTC at all (that's part of the reason his salary is going up) Markov: Can block a trade to 12 teams (tradeable to 17) Emelin: Can block a trade to 10 teams (tradeable to 19) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Thanks! I'd think Edmonton would be on the no-trade list going forward for emelin and Markov. Doubt they'd waive to go there. Current: Plekanec: Modified (I don't have the details but it's not a full clause) Markov: Can block a trade to 12 teams (tradeable to 17) Emelin: Full NTC After July 1: Plekanec: No NTC at all (that's part of the reason his salary is going up) Markov: Can block a trade to 12 teams (tradeable to 17) Emelin: Can block a trade to 10 teams (tradeable to 19) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 Thanks! I'd think Edmonton would be on the no-trade list going forward for emelin and Markov. Doubt they'd waive to go there. Why just cause they are a forked up organization going exactly no where? Come on man it only needs a little sales job. Let's get peter puck involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 What does his extension not starting have anything to do with it. Lots of teams have traded players right after signing them. Besides Ottawa trading Marian Hossa to Atlanta for Dany Heatley, what players have been traded after signing an extension but before that extension started? Who are these "lots of teams"? Good luck negotiating with future FAs after this, they will all want NTCs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 Besides Ottawa trading Marian Hossa to Atlanta for Dany Heatley, what players have been traded after signing an extension but before that extension started? Who are these "lots of teams"? Good luck negotiating with future FAs after this, they will all want NTCs. yeah I was trying to figure that out to. Do not see that happening especially with Mr Character Mark Down Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Besides Ottawa trading Marian Hossa to Atlanta for Dany Heatley, what players have been traded after signing an extension but before that extension started? Who are these "lots of teams"? Good luck negotiating with future FAs after this, they will all want NTCs. I don't see that as any different from a team signing a player to a long-term home town discount and than trading them a year or two into the deal. Both the Bruins and Flyers have done that on numerous occasions and have absolutely no issue in continuing to sign free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 I seriously doubt there will be much blow-back for trading Plekanec. It's not like we signed him and traded him; we negotiated the extension a year ago. Everyone can see the Habs need to get better up front, and I doubt players will hold it against MB if he swings a necessary deal that accomplishes that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Besides Ottawa trading Marian Hossa to Atlanta for Dany Heatley, what players have been traded after signing an extension but before that extension started? Who are these "lots of teams"? Good luck negotiating with future FAs after this, they will all want NTCs. I feel like Philly did it twice... Mike Richards and Jeff Carter? Or that might have just been trading them before their NTCs kicked in, but during their extensions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Philly and Boston have both dumped players very shortly after signing them to deals lower than they could have gotten elsewhere. I don't think there would be any fallback at all - especially given how the year shaped out. I feel like Philly did it twice... Mike Richards and Jeff Carter? Or that might have just been trading them before their NTCs kicked in, but during their extensions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 There's a reason Plekanec didn't get a NTC. That's not to say he will be traded, but the door is left open if something comes up to make this team better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 I feel like Philly did it twice... Mike Richards and Jeff Carter? Or that might have just been trading them before their NTCs kicked in, but during their extensions? They both played 2 full seasons on their extensions before being traded. It also included publically clashing with Chris Pronger, and with team management, including the team instituting a policy of "dry island" meaning no drinking during the season, because they were partying too much. A lot of shit went on during those two years. With Plekanec I'm failing to see it being the same situation. I don't see him having off-ice question marks, I don't see him clashing with other team leaders, and he's not started his extension. Its not the same situation. Also who did Boston trade.... Kessel was an unsigned RFA, Hamilton was an unsigned RFA, Seguin was signed but he signed an RFA deal.... its a little different when you sign away your UFA years. Those are years a player can CHOOSE who he is playing for. RFA doesn't have that same control. I'm still waiting to hear about all these teams who trade players before their new contract even kicks in are? or was that just a bullshit claim? People forget that these are human beings, and not just assets. When you commit your life and your family to a certain city, and then get traded immediately thereafter before your commitment even begins, there is going to be resentment created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 I remember philly trading roenuck shortly after signing him. Boston dumped lapointe pretty quick. Seguin signed a 6 year deal, so why wouldn't you include him? They both played 2 full seasons on their extensions before being traded. It also included publically clashing with Chris Pronger, and with team management, including the team instituting a policy of "dry island" meaning no drinking during the season, because they were partying too much. A lot of shit went on during those two years. With Plekanec I'm failing to see it being the same situation. I don't see him having off-ice question marks, I don't see him clashing with other team leaders, and he's not started his extension. Its not the same situation. Also who did Boston trade.... Kessel was an unsigned RFA, Hamilton was an unsigned RFA, Seguin was signed but he signed an RFA deal.... its a little different when you sign away your UFA years. Those are years a player can CHOOSE who he is playing for. RFA doesn't have that same control. I'm still waiting to hear about all these teams who trade players before their new contract even kicks in are? or was that just a bullshit claim? People forget that these are human beings, and not just assets. When you commit your life and your family to a certain city, and then get traded immediately thereafter before your commitment even begins, there is going to be resentment created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 He signed a deal coming off his RFA contract. Thats not the same. Again you are missing the point, that when you sign away UFA years... the years where you can choose where you and your family live, its a big deal, and one where agents and players are going to look at the GM who trades a player away (before he even plays a single game on that extension) a little funny. Every player signing away UFA years in the future is going to be looking for a NTC if we have a GM that trades players away right after signing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 5'9" Clayton Keller (USA) leads U18 scoring; 3gm 3g 7pts (he had 91pts in 54gms this year) 6'6" Logan Brown (USA) 3gm 1g 6pts (74pts in 59gms for Spitfires this year) Canada plays Slovaks today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Logan Brown is a poor man's Rick Nash with 100% of the laziness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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