DON Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 in 98 Jiri Fischer with 1st pick, then Red Wings took 6 bums before decided to grab Datsyuk. Took 3 bums in 99 then grabbed Zetterberg with 210th pick. in 2000 + 2001 they got Kromwall with 29th pick and all the other 17 picks busted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 in 98 Jiri Fischer with 1st pick, then Red Wings took 6 bums before decided to grab Datsyuk. Took 3 bums in 99 then grabbed Zetterberg with 210th pick. in 2000 + 2001 they got Kromwall with 29th pick and all the other 17 picks busted. Exactly. I'm not arguing they were inept; what I'm saying is they built their team around Datsyuk and Zetterberg (as well as Lidstrom), and that those two players were basically draft flukes. When you pick guys and #171 and #210 overall, you are NOT projecting them to be elite. They basically had a gigantic horseshoe up their collective arses and have been riding it ever since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted March 30, 2016 Author Share Posted March 30, 2016 Just shows that a huge element of 'crapshoot' informs the draft. Next time you doubt it, remember that PK Subban was passed over by every single team, and that a huge current of opinion favoured Brulé over the greatest goalie of his era, Carey Price. Meanwhile, a franchise like Detroit is praised for being awesome when they basically fluked out with two franchise players acquired as long shots in the nether regions of the draft. Sure, they 'knew it all along...' One of the more regrettable side-effects of the internet age and the 'sports network' 24-hour news cycle is that waaaay more false certainty gets spewed about draft picks than is warranted. So much energy is spent in and around draft day, by professional commentators and amateurs, all pronouncing about this and that prospect, with teams' performance being 'graded' as though it's all obvious, etc.. Fans work themselves into a froth, either of anger or delight. Yet in reality it's more like panning for gold, and everyone is getting all worked up before the sand is even sifted. Sometimes you get a nugget, most of the time you don't. You can tilt the odds in your favour through excellent scouting and good instincts, but that doesn't change the fact that you're in a casino and the house usually wins. Ok that is just piling on 10 yard penalty. I already commented on the Brule thing, I was quite aware of that. That 1st rounders are that bad no I did not know that. I remember back in the day we drafted Doug Jarvis, and a bunch of others who were great hockey players but low draft picks 2nd 3rd 4th etc. Hell we drafted Halak 300 and something, if he wasn't the last pick damn close to it. Hey how did like my segue into cfl? That is where I go now Golf and Football, no NFL thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaos Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Back to 9th OA with last nights win. Hopefully the hockey gods smile favourably on the effort being put forth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 8th, 9th or 10th are flip a coin prospects and flip-flop from one ranking to another, will be a quality skilled kid...just not a kid who suits up this October in a Hab jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 8th, 9th or 10th are flip a coin prospects and flip-flop from one ranking to another, will be a quality skilled kid...just not a kid who suits up this October in a Hab jersey. There are 8 elite prospects in this draft... we need to finish 8th (ideally 7th) Go Coyotes and Go Sabres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Just to be a dork...you mean Yakapov elite-like consensus #1 pick? We should be happy with 9th, which seems like where headed and Timmins will do fine with that. You know #7 Finn d-man in your ranking Ben, may go 5, 8 or 10th, depending on whether or not d-men drop or arnt in high demand; or perhaps Dubois & Gauthier drop out of top ten, Chychrun stunk at top prospects game and maybe will do same in playoffs and fall...who the heck knows how will play out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Just to be a dork...you mean Yakapov elite-like consensus #1 pick? Remember the 'Fail for Nail' thread back in 2011-12? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted March 30, 2016 Author Share Posted March 30, 2016 Remember the 'Fail for Nail' thread back in 2011-12? Yeah I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 This year dosent seem like best year to suck, but a top ten pick should work well. Or could always use it to help get Hopkins or Eberle from Oilers, or maybe as part of a deal with Aves for Duchene or...?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Just to be a dork...you mean Yakapov elite-like consensus #1 pick? We should be happy with 9th, which seems like where headed and Timmins will do fine with that. You know #7 Finn d-man in your ranking Ben, may go 5, 8 or 10th, depending on whether or not d-men drop or arnt in high demand; or perhaps Dubois & Gauthier drop out of top ten, Chychrun stunk at top prospects game and maybe will do same in playoffs and fall...who the heck knows how will play out. I didn't think I'd need to explain the obvous, but picking ahead of other teams allows Timmins to choose which player he wants with more options on the board. That has to be an advantage for any team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Thanks for dumbing that down sir. All I mean is that seems the experts (like yourself) all rank a variety of players after the first 4 or 5, so if finish 8th, 9th or 10th there is no one player who falls into same spot for you fellows. Russian d-man, McLeod, Bean, Gauthier, DuBois etc etc show up as a #8, 9 or 10, depending on opinion. And if can sneak into 7th all the better, but still think will be 9th and thats fine. Are the #7 picks historically that much better than #9 ones? I doubt it and is what I was basically driving at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Thanks for dumbing that down sir. All I mean is that seems the experts (like yourself) all rank a variety of players after the first 4 or 5, so if finish 8th, 9th or 10th there is no one player who falls into same spot for you fellows. Russian d-man, McLeod, Bean, Gauthier, DuBois etc etc show up as a #8, 9 or 10, depending on opinion. And if can sneak into 7th all the better, but still think will be 9th and thats fine. Are the #7 picks historically that much better than #9 ones? I doubt it and is what I was basically driving at. There is one person (Bob McKenzie) who takes a poll of actual NHL scouts and lists the order of a concensus they arrive at. His top 8 prospects, just so happen to be Matthews, Laine, Puljijarvi, Tkachuk, Chychryn, Nylander, Juolevi and Dubois. http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-mid-season-draft-ranking-topped-by-big-three-1.435206 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Yeah, you probably need to win the lottery to have anybody significantly helping the main club in the next few years. Elite prospects has top 30 from five different familiar sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 mynhldraft.com, NHL DRAFT MOCK DRAFT DATABASE, draftsite.com are three ok sites for draft rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 mynhldraft.com, NHL DRAFT MOCK DRAFT DATABASE, draftsite.com are three ok sites for draft rankings. if you want garbage, sure. McKenzie's rankings are the best. If you are looking for more, Elite prospects has a much better list of respected sites like McKeen's; hockeyprospect.com, ISS, future considerations, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 if you want garbage, sure. McKenzie's rankings are the best. If you are looking for more, Elite prospects has a much better list of respected sites like McKeen's; hockeyprospect.com, ISS, future considerations, etc... Is Red Line Report still active? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 McGuire noted that Bergevin attended Spitfires game recently, likely wanted to check out Mikhail Sergachev of course and maybe Logan Brown also . Would the Russian be a good option for the Habs? On paper, seems a good sized LH d-man with some offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Is Red Line Report still active? As far as I know, yes. They have good quality, but given what McKeen's and the others charge, is Red Line so much better that it justifies the great discrepancy in price? I've never thought so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 As far as I know, yes. They have good quality, but given what McKeen's and the others charge, is Red Line so much better that it justifies the great discrepancy in price? I've never thought so. Can't argue with that. Maybe that's why I am not hearing a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Used to get mcKeens guides, which are fine but really don't need to spend a dime to get same general scouting reports from 100 different sources and youtube has compilation videos of many prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 McKeen's isn't bad, and they are like $10 for the guide and 3 months access to the site. RedLine wants like 5x as much, its crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted April 1, 2016 Author Share Posted April 1, 2016 Hey Don where did you get that picture of Tremblay's sister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Why, you want a copy for your restaurant wall? McKeens is like I say fine, but they pissed me off with the 3 month access thing, then got stuck with some automatic renewal if didn't opt out and hardly visited their site to begin with, especially after the draft. So wont be back there, with so much info posted all over anyways. But did see the $50 thing for Red Line, which likely is why their site almost looks dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted April 2, 2016 Author Share Posted April 2, 2016 Why, you want a copy for your restaurant wall? Does it come with the dart board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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