Guest Stogey24 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 So 14g in 231 games is what you want...got it delaRose-Danault and 12 other bottom six players can do that already. Why do you want another bottom six grinder? He's 22 years old, 6'4, 220, Has increased his point totals each year, is one of the tougher young players in the league. Not sure how he's comparable to a farm teamer like Danault or De la rose. Wouldn't be all that surprised to see Wilson put up more than 30 points this year. To me he's a perfect third liner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 He's 22 years old, 6'4, 220, Has increased his point totals each year, is one of the tougher young players in the league. Not sure how he's comparable to a farm teamer like Danault or De la rose. Wouldn't be all that surprised to see Wilson put up more than 30 points this year. To me he's a perfect third liner. That's how I feel too. Although I admit I haven't watched him a whole lot not looked into his stats a whole lot. He just looks like an awesome young guy who can put fear in the opponent, while potentially putting up as you said, around 30 points as he hits his stride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 I don't see Wilson ever scoring 30 points.... In fact I think last season was an aberration and not something he's likely to repeat. I also think he lacks discipline. He's a dirty player who will cross the line at inopportune times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 That's how I feel too. Although I admit I haven't watched him a whole lot not looked into his stats a whole lot. He just looks like an awesome young guy who can put fear in the opponent, while potentially putting up as you said, around 30 points as he hits his stride. I didn't watch him a ton either, but enough to know what he brings nightly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 I don't see Wilson ever scoring 30 points.... In fact I think last season was an aberration and not something he's likely to repeat. I also think he lacks discipline. He's a dirty player who will cross the line at inopportune times. Ya, I don't know. This team is just seriously lacking some jam in the bottom 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Ya, I don't know. This team is just seriously lacking some jam in the bottom 6 Meh, what jam do the Hawks and Penguins have.... winners of a ton of recent cups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 To compare Wilson to Simmons is absolutely ridiculous just because of a word like grit was used. It's like me saying "I like Andrighetto" and you saying "really Andrighetto? Patrick Kane is so much better, I'd rather him." They are not the same class of player. Last season Wilson had 23 points in 82 games. He's 22, and I think between 3rd and 4th like roles he could be an awesome physical presence on any team. Better than the Scotts of the NHL, more of a Chris Neil. But, what would Habs need a Chris Neil for? They need offense and a top six forward, much more so than a fighter and bottom six role player. But who knows, maybe Habs could use more grit and a Wilson-type, I just don't see it as a glaring hole in lineup and isn't Big Mikey the Habs version of him already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 We already brought in guys like Shaw (a pain in the ass, gritty guy though not at the size of wilson) along with Weber (a physical D), and have added a shit load of bottom six guys. I'm not sure where Wilson would fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Nah I get what you guys are saying, I've just always seen Wilson as a great bottom 6 player if you're looking to add a hell of a lot of physicality. Right now he probably wouldn't be the best addition because we have a pretty full RW. But I think Wilson might have a little more to give. I wasn't trying to say Wilson is THE guy we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Nah I get what you guys are saying, I've just always seen Wilson as a great bottom 6 player if you're looking to add a hell of a lot of physicality. Right now he probably wouldn't be the best addition because we have a pretty full RW. But I think Wilson might have a little more to give. I wasn't trying to say Wilson is THE guy we need. Carr-DD-shaw?Flynn-mitchell-Byron That's the bottom 6 we're looking at. Sure Shaw has some tear in him, but he can't do it alone. Plus, he's looking like our fill, in the top 6. Flynn, Carr, Desharnais, Byron, Mitchell, Andrighetto. What, you think these guys are going to bring energy in games when you need some spark plug fourth line shifts. Or do anything at all when a guy like Chris Neil starts running around out there... Think again The Byron's and Flynn's of the world are all fine and dandy, as long as you don't have an entire bottom 6 of like players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 You forgot Danault... who will be in for Flynn. You also forgot to look at the bottom six of the Penguins and Hawks... who are NOT much tougher or grittier than that. The idea that there is only one way to win and its with this big bruising tough fourth line isn't exactly true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 You forgot Danault... who will be in for Flynn. You also forgot to look at the bottom six of the Penguins and Hawks... who are NOT much tougher or grittier than that. The idea that there is only one way to win and its with this big bruising tough fourth line isn't exactly true. I hear ya man, and I know the nhl has changed, but we're not knitting a sweater here, this is still hockey. Bodies get thrown at one another, Fists fly from time to time, dirty hits get taken, teammates come to the rescue of one another. This team doesn't have players who fill specific roles. As much as people say we have an abundance of bottom 6 players(and we do) it's this team biggest weakness. They're all the same type of player. Maybe this is just me talking, but i just really feel this team's bottom 6 is an issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Meh, what jam do the Hawks and Penguins have.... winners of a ton of recent cups. Meh, what multiple, generational forwards do the Canadiens have...winners of the Cup 25 years ago.Comparing and justifying the formation of a soft, small (and bottom 3Rd in goals) forward corp like the Canadiens have to two teams that have 3-4 HOF forwards each is idiotic. I wouldn't put it out there like that if you haven't said this erroneously for years. As if there's any comparison... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Meh, what multiple, generational forwards do the Canadiens have...winners of the Cup 25 years ago. We did have a generational defenceman, so of course we had to ship him out of town. And unless the FWs in question were 'good boys' with bland personas, they'd probably be shipped out as well by the idiots running the team. If the Habs had drafted Patrick Kane, he'd have been traded for a 'solid' Lars Eller type years ago. On a less sour note, does Galchenyuk have the potential to become one of those PPG stud FWs? And beyond that, the Habs have no choice but to try to build a champion without a #1 overall superstar FW. Contrary to the 'tank' crowd, it CAN be done - c.f. Boston 2011. The Habs also have a goalie who is the netminding equivalent of a Crosby or Kane. More than one way to skin a cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 I hear ya man, and I know the nhl has changed, but we're not knitting a sweater here, this is still hockey. Bodies get thrown at one another, Fists fly from time to time, dirty hits get taken, teammates come to the rescue of one another. This team doesn't have players who fill specific roles. As much as people say we have an abundance of bottom 6 players(and we do) it's this team biggest weakness. They're all the same type of player. Maybe this is just me talking, but i just really feel this team's bottom 6 is an issue Minor, compared to scoring more. Meh, what multiple, generational forwards do the Canadiens have...winners of the Cup 25 years ago. Comparing and justifying the formation of a soft, small forward corp like the Canadiens have to two teams that have 3-4 HOF forwards each is idiotic. 3 or 4 hall of famer forwards...each? Teams like that simply don't exist anymore. And would you call Lafleur a generational forward, if you do, then he was the last the Habs had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 We did have a generational defenceman, so of course we had to ship him out of town. And unless the FWs in question were 'good boys' with bland personas, they'd probably be shipped out as well by the idiots running the team. If the Habs had drafted Patrick Kane, he'd have been traded for a 'solid' Lars Eller type years ago. , you still arnt done grieving eh. Time to snap out of it, get out there and maybe buy a #6, 47 or 65 jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 , you still arnt done grieving eh. Time to snap out of it, get out there and maybe buy a #6, 47 or 65 jersey. There's nothing to 'snap out' of. A dumb move remains a dumb move, regardless of the passage of time. Idiots remains idiots, likewise. I don't buy jerseys of current roster players, precisely because they're apt to leave town. Also, none of the #s you list stand to become all-time great Habs, so it'd be a waste of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 There's nothing to 'snap out' of. A dumb move remains a dumb move, regardless of the passage of time. I don't buy jerseys of current roster players, precisely because they're apt to leave town. Also, none of the #s you list stand to become all-time great Habs, so it'd be a waste of money. Either pick an all time great or a player nobody would buy a sweater for. If someone owned a Petteri Nokelainen sweater I'd give them an immediate high five. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Either pick an all time great or a player nobody would buy a sweater for. If someone owned a Petteri Nokelainen sweater I'd give them an immediate high five. Right, that's another approach. If sweaters didn't cost an arm, a leg, and a cock, I'd be all for it, but that's an awful heap of money to drop for an ironic in-joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Either pick an all time great or a player nobody would buy a sweater for. If someone owned a Petteri Nokelainen sweater I'd give them an immediate high five. Pretty sure Millbury bought a Nokelainen jersey, then immediately regretted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 I want a Therrien jersey. Number 40 Oz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Meh, what multiple, generational forwards do the Canadiens have...winners of the Cup 25 years ago. Comparing and justifying the formation of a soft, small (and bottom 3Rd in goals) forward corp like the Canadiens have to two teams that have 3-4 HOF forwards each is idiotic. I wouldn't put it out there like that if you haven't said this erroneously for years. As if there's any comparison... Ok great, lets get some skilled high scoring forwards..... We've complained how many times that all Bergevin does is shuffle the deck on the fourth line, and then we want to shuffle the deck on the fourth line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 No, none of 3 will likely be all-time great Habs (but also just a joke). Havent ever bought one for myself, but would only be #19 if ever did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 I mean I get it. Tom Wilson is the kind of guy who makes you feel like a bully. But uhhh Mike McCarron is right there, with more size, and I'd argue more skill once he puts it together (if he does) which will probably make him the envy of other teams a few seasons from now. We got a Wilson. He ain't ready yet. Maybe he will goon a few guys so you can finally feel what it's like to be a Bruins fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nihilz Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Any news on Shipachyov? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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