Commandant Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Redmond and Condon will go through waivers and be sent down. My hope is Desharnais gets sent too (or traded) because Hudon or Lehkonen make the team. If its waivers and not trade, Matteau and Flynn will go before Desharnais. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 If its waivers and not trade, Matteau and Flynn will go before Desharnais. Well, rightly so. Despite his stink-o season last year, DD has shown that he can produce offence at the NHL level. Those other two a just interchangeable grinders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Well, rightly so. Despite his stink-o season last year, DD has shown that he can produce offence at the NHL level. Those other two a just interchangeable grinders. Exactly, Desharnais isn't a great player but he gets way too much hate for what he is. Way too much. If you can trade him and replace the 3.5 million with something else, fine. But why send him to the minors to save 900K; when you can get the same savings out of Flynn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 The problem with DD is MT. Issue is how is utilized at the expense of other players (i.e. Usage over galchenyuk last year and inexplicable PP usage). Exactly, Desharnais isn't a great player but he gets way too much hate for what he is. Way too much. If you can trade him and replace the 3.5 million with something else, fine. But why send him to the minors to save 900K; when you can get the same savings out of Flynn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 The problem with DD is MT. Issue is how is utilized at the expense of other players (i.e. Usage over galchenyuk last year and inexplicable PP usage). Not to worry. We FINALLY got rid of the team's real problem, i.e., Dumb's inexplicable tendency to play that locker-room cancer and all-around POS PK Subban 27 minutes a night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 The problem with DD is MT. Issue is how is utilized at the expense of other players (i.e. Usage over galchenyuk last year and inexplicable PP usage). Galchenyuk had more PP minutes per game than DD on the season. As for how he is used by MT. I think that is more an issue with the fact we had 4 legit top 6 players (and 3 when Gallagher was hurt) than anything else. He had to try and get 6 top 6 guys into the top 2 lines, so he moved Chuck to wing and put DD in the top 6. It was actually a logical move given DD's career history, and the lack of other options. I blame it more on the GM not getting enough scoring last summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Galchenyuk had more PP minutes per game than DD on the season. As for how he is used by MT. I think that is more an issue with the fact we had 4 legit top 6 players (and 3 when Gallagher was hurt) than anything else. He had to try and get 6 top 6 guys into the top 2 lines, so he moved Chuck to wing and put DD in the top 6. It was actually a logical move given DD's career history, and the lack of other options. I blame it more on the GM not getting enough scoring last summer. DD started the season as the #2 centre on the PP with Galchenyuk as LW and got several opportunities back with Pacioretty after Semin was shipped out. When DD went down to injury, Therrien first went with Mike McCarron as our #2 centre before finally giving it back to Alex. DD averaged only 0:33 less than Galchenyuk per game and despite missing 17 games, averaged only 60 minutes of less PP time. The fact DD had minutes that close to him was ridiculous in itself. After the first 41 games, DD had played 41 more minutes of even strength hockey than Galchenyuk with only 11 minutes less than Chuck on the powerplay. It wasn't until the final 20 games of the season did Galchenyuk average the most even strength minutes among forwards and most PP time among forwards. Before that Therrien "sheltered" Galchenyuk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Galchenyuk had more PP minutes per game than DD on the season. As for how he is used by MT. I think that is more an issue with the fact we had 4 legit top 6 players (and 3 when Gallagher was hurt) than anything else. He had to try and get 6 top 6 guys into the top 2 lines, so he moved Chuck to wing and put DD in the top 6. It was actually a logical move given DD's career history, and the lack of other options. I blame it more on the GM not getting enough scoring last summer. This is exactly it. You can't use last year's use of DD as a measuring stick. I would have had him in the top 6 as well last year, because unfortunately he was the 4th best forward for much of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 http://m.thn.com/blog/how-much-confidence-does-each-nhl-fan-base-have-in-their-front-office-a-ranking-of-all-30-teams/ Thought that was a really interesting article that says a whole lot about the last year in MTL. Although I'm not nearly as harsh on the drafting. Shows how tough the habs fans are too I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 http://m.thn.com/blog/how-much-confidence-does-each-nhl-fan-base-have-in-their-front-office-a-ranking-of-all-30-teams/ Thought that was a really interesting article that says a whole lot about the last year in MTL. Although I'm not nearly as harsh on the drafting. Shows how tough the habs fans are too I think. Benning Bergevin Sweeney Chiarreli The four horsemen of awful GMs according to fans in this poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Benning Bergevin Sweeney Chiarreli The four horsemen of awful GMs according to fans in this poll. Fans rate Bergevin low a week or so after trading the fans favourite player, is that a surprise to anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 I'm sure no one cares, but canadiens let go of analytics specialist Matt Pfeffer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 I'm sure no one cares, but canadiens let go of analytics specialist Matt Pfeffer We pretty much knew after the Subban deal that the Habs didn't give a single about analytics and advanced stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share Posted July 13, 2016 We pretty much knew after the Subban deal that the Habs didn't give a single ###### about analytics and advanced stats. Part of the analytical movement is about finding new methods of evaluation, it's not just interpreting the numbers that can easily be found on data scrapping sites. If it were that simple, no one would really need to hire consultants, just a couple of cheap employees that can interpret some numbers. In Pfeffer's case, he's been with three organizations in three years. Maybe he wasn't progressing their analytics base, or maybe they figured why do they need to keep him around if all they're doing is interpreting what's already in the public domain. There's probably a reason he's gone from the OHL to Hockey Canada to two NHL teams in a very short period of time. It's quite evident that they still use some analytics - Zach Redmond was handed a two year, one-way deal and is someone whose 'fancy stats' look a whole lot better than his NHL performance to-date. I read that Montoya rates favourably in some of the newer goalie metrics as well (though I can't exactly remember what it was - in-close SV% or something like that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Part of the analytical movement is about finding new methods of evaluation, it's not just interpreting the numbers that can easily be found on data scrapping sites. If it were that simple, no one would really need to hire consultants, just a couple of cheap employees that can interpret some numbers. In Pfeffer's case, he's been with three organizations in three years. Maybe he wasn't progressing their analytics base, or maybe they figured why do they need to keep him around if all they're doing is interpreting what's already in the public domain. There's probably a reason he's gone from the OHL to Hockey Canada to two NHL teams in a very short period of time. It's quite evident that they still use some analytics - Zach Redmond was handed a two year, one-way deal and is someone whose 'fancy stats' look a whole lot better than his NHL performance to-date. I read that Montoya rates favourably in some of the newer goalie metrics as well (though I can't exactly remember what it was - in-close SV% or something like that). Looking forward to see Bergevin explain the Zach Redmond signing more because of "how great of a pro he is in the locker and on the ice and how he can held the young players to mature" more than because of fancy stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Looking forward to see Bergevin explain the Zach Redmond signing more because of "how great of a pro he is in the locker and on the ice and how he can held the young players to mature" more than because of fancy stats. Mark down Marky loves his 4th liners. I don't know whose spot he takes, cause I don't see anyone who is not better than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share Posted July 13, 2016 Mark down Marky loves his 4th liners. I don't know whose spot he takes, cause I don't see anyone who is not better than him. I'd go with none - Redmond's a defenceman, not a forward. And an update on the analytics guy, they've acknowledged that they will bring someone else in and that they just opted not to renew Pfeffer's contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Fans rate Bergevin low a week or so after trading the fans favourite player, is that a surprise to anyone? Nope it really isn't, although I'd say last season didn't help either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 I'd go with none - Redmond's a defenceman, not a forward. And an update on the analytics guy, they've acknowledged that they will bring someone else in and that they just opted not to renew Pfeffer's contract. Markdown likes defenceman. He would have 4 lines of defenceman if he could. But he is not better than what we have, no matter where he plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Fans rate Bergevin low a week or so after trading the fans favourite player, is that a surprise to anyone?Interesting to note:Montreal fans ranked trading confidence 2.30/10 Nashville? 8.87/10 I'm sure Johansen for Weber probably went over well with Nashville fans, but before the P.K. trade I bet montreal's fan confidence would have been in the 6.5 range. Clearly many Habs fans are sour right now, not just the many on this board; not suprising! Just a dumb little fan thing but interesting nonetheless Edit: Johansen for Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Interesting to note: Montreal fans ranked trading confidence 2.30/10 Nashville? 8.87/10 I'm sure Johansen for Weber probably went over well with Nashville fans, but before the P.K. trade I bet montreal's fan confidence would have been in the 6.5 range. Clearly many Habs fans are sour right now, not just the many on this board; not suprising! Just a dumb little fan thing but interesting nonetheless Edit: Johansen for Jones I am not sure about that, I think last years results have something to do with it. The sit on your hands and do nothing does not sit well with Habs fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 I am not sure about that, I think last years results have something to do with it. The sit on your hands and do nothing does not sit well with Habs fans. Nor does making a big trade, catch-22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 I am not sure about that, I think last years results have something to do with it. The sit on your hands and do nothing does not sit well with Habs fans.I agree with this completely actually, my comment saying "I'd say last season didn't help either" was general but it includes the lack of trades made to fix the problem.Still, for the most part I have found montreals trades fairly good, if I forget completely the end of June Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Nor does making a big trade, catch-22. I think you meant stupid big trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 I think you meant stupid big trade. Ummm perhaps, but only time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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