Commandant Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Is that the reason for the struggles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Well it's December and he's still dragging ass. Hopefully that is the reason though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, Stogey24 said: Well it's December and he's still dragging ass. Hopefully that is the reason though I haven't seen him dragging ass... working hard the last couple games.. two goals and an assist in LA? Solid tonight both ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 He's looked better the last four or five games. Maybe he'll go on one of his tears if he's feeling healthier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 i'm thinking this is good news. Probably means that we can expect MaxPac to start scoring more often! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 This shouldn't be happening in today's NHL. If your foot is broken you should not play. You are a liability to yourself and others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Well, that certainly explains his mediocrity. Reminds me a bit of when Recchi tried to play through pneumonia...he sucked, but you had to sort of respect the perverse determination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: This shouldn't be happening in today's NHL. If your foot is broken you should not play. You are a liability to yourself and others. I'm sure this sort of behaviour is tacitly encouraged under the Bergevin regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 13 hours ago, Commandant said: Is that the reason for the struggles? He still produced with it, just not the shots/goals we are used to and as per usual, the all-knowing fickle fan crowd overreacted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 12 hours ago, Stogey24 said: Well it's December and he's still dragging ass. Booooo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: This shouldn't be happening in today's NHL. If your foot is broken you should not play. You are a liability to yourself and others. How so, he was still on a 60 point pace, just lacked the finish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I think a couple people on here speculated awhile ago that he might be playing with an injury 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: This shouldn't be happening in today's NHL. If your foot is broken you should not play. You are a liability to yourself and others. Players have the choice to play or not play.... I don't see a problem, its not a head injury where their decision making might be effected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hupette gros Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 13 hours ago, Stogey24 said: Well it's December and he's still dragging ass. Hopefully that is the reason though You the guy has 12 points in the last 18 games? That's since November 1st, a timeframe where he played 14 games with a broken foot. Moreover, he has played 90% of those games with 51 or 14, not with 27. I say Pac is doing pretty good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 16 minutes ago, Commandant said: Players have the choice to play or not play.... I don't see a problem, its not a head injury where their decision making might be effected. Players can choose to play. Medical doctors should be independent of the teams and telling them they are not fit to play. Trying to play hockey on a fractured foot makes it pretty clear your decision making is messed up. Also this isn't some heroic attempt to play for the team in the playoffs for a chance to win the Cup (which is also dumb but whatever it is at least explainable). This was at the start of the season. He could have sat out the first month and healed. I can't stand stories like this. Either it's a way to excuse poor performance or it's a player literally risking their long term career because they think that's the definition of being a great athlete. If Max broke his leg in November because he was skating on a fracture the team was hiding just because, "players want to play" nobody would be praising his guts. They would be asking why the NHL allows this. Simple. It's the same league that watched a concussed player hit a referee in a daze tell a doctor they were still good to play and everyone focused on hitting the referee instead of the fact he had a concussion and was almost allowed to stay in the game. I thought we were over the days of treating players like fighting dogs but guess not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 H Just now, Machine of Loving Grace said: Players can choose to play. Medical doctors should be independent of the teams and telling them they are not fit to play. Trying to play hockey on a fractured foot makes it pretty clear your decision making is messed up. Also this isn't some heroic attempt to play for the team in the playoffs for a chance to win the Cup (which is also dumb but whatever it is at least explainable). This was at the start of the season. He could have sat out the first month and healed. I can't stand stories like this. Either it's a way to excuse poor performance or it's a player literally risking their long term career because they think that's the definition of being a great athlete. If Max broke his leg in November because he was skating on a fracture the team was hiding just because, "players want to play" nobody would be praising his guts. They would be asking why the NHL allows this. Simple. It's the same league that watched a concussed player hit a referee in a daze tell a doctor they were still good to play and everyone focused on hitting the referee instead of the fact he had a concussion and was almost allowed to stay in the game. I thought we were over the days of treating players like fighting dogs but guess not. 1) You don't know what the doctor told him or didn't tell him. he made the choice. At the end of the day players get to make choices. 2) He still produced at a near 60 point pace despite the injury, so it seems to me that even if he was less than 100%, he was still effective. 3) I don't see a concussion the same as playing through other types of injuries; because of the mental capacity being impaired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Just now, Commandant said: 1) You don't know what the doctor told him or didn't tell him. he made the choice. At the end of the day players get to make choices. 2) He still produced at a near 60 point pace despite the injury, so it seems to me that even if he was less than 100%, he was still effective. 3) I don't see a concussion the same as playing through other types of injuries; because of the mental capacity being impaired. 1. That's the problem. The players will always choose to play over their health. That's why we have doctors to evaluate. If the doctors were independent and not on team payroll you would see a lot more players told to stay off the ice. 2. So either this is a Stone excuse or he still risked serious injury. 3. Would you have been fine finding out Carey played 11 games in November on a hairline fracture in his ankle? Be real. This is, "Nothing bad happened so let's act like it's okay until something bad happens" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 Why is it a problem that a player can make his own decision? He's an adult, of sound mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerebusClone Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I agree about letting the doctors make these decisions, players don't have the required knowledge to make the decision, and there is too much external pressure on players from management, the media, and the hockey culture in general to play no matter what. However in this case I would guess that the doctors did evaluate that Pacioretty was well enough to play. Otherwise they would not have cleared him, and would have been able to make that decision. Or Pacioretty never spoke with doctors, and kept it to himself and his coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 If pacioretty played, he was cleared to play. Simple as that. This shouldn't be a debate imo. Therrien would have 'sat' him if he thought he wasn't capable. And pacioretty played fine, just a lost step. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 4 hours ago, Commandant said: Why is it a problem that a player can make his own decision? He's an adult, of sound mind. Pacioretty defended Therrien's system. Sound mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 41 minutes ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: Pacioretty defended Therrien's system. Sound mind? Missed this season's games? I think the system has been pretty damn good this year, haven't seen anything other than the debacle in Columbus that makes me think Mtl doesn't play a sound game all way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 7 hours ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: Players can choose to play. Medical doctors should be independent of the teams and telling them they are not fit to play. Doctors are independent and are required to be very objective, you should know that. Trying to play hockey on a fractured foot makes it pretty clear your decision making is messed up. Your medical degree is from Recchi U perhaps? Also this isn't some heroic attempt to play for the team in the playoffs for a chance to win the Cup (which is also dumb but whatever it is at least explainable). This was at the start of the season. He could have sat out the first month and healed. Thanks Dr. Machine. Either it's a way to excuse poor performance or it's a player literally risking their long term career because they think that's the definition of being a great athlete. You must really have that medicine stuff down pat? If Max broke his leg in November because he was skating on a fracture the team was hiding just because, "players want to play" nobody would be praising his guts. Who you trying to kid Doc, many would be praising his effort? I thought we were over the days of treating players like fighting dogs but guess not. Why are you smoking Doc, remember...puff puff then pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zumpano21 Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 11 hours ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: This shouldn't be happening in today's NHL. If your foot is broken you should not play. You are a liability to yourself and others. This isn't the decision of an individual. It's made under the guidance of team doctors, trainers, coaching staff and ultimately, the player. I have a feeling it was his plant foot which explains why the shot numbers were down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 We fans are such a hardassed bunch..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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