hab29RETIRED Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Well, it's nice to think we got ourselves Torey Krug 2.0. I feel that size remains overrated in NHL circles. All the same, Sergachev is one of the very best D-prospects in hockey...probably unwise to slot Mete in as a comparable. It'll be exciting to see if VM can maintain his success once actual hockey games start, and if he can avoid the usual midseason crash and burn that so often befalls rookies. Agreed. To use a Boston comparable, if we had the choice, who would we rather have, krug, or Dougie Hamilton (who Boston valued led to chiarrelli’s during)? From everything I’ve read, expectations and ceiling for Sergechev are higher than Hamilton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 What a great trade, landing a #1 center...a hometown boy at that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I'm not comparing the two, because obviously Sergachev has a higher pedigree, but he never turned heads like Mete has at camp( take that as you will). This trade looks pretty juicy, if mete comes out of the woodwork as a quality offensive defensemen. The only reason I didn't LOVE the trade is because there was no Sergachev replacement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Stogey24 said: I'm not comparing the two, because obviously Sergachev has a higher pedigree, but he never turned heads like Mete has at camp( take that as you will). This trade looks pretty juicy, if mete comes out of the woodwork as a quality offensive defensemen. The only reason I didn't LOVE the trade is because there was no Sergachev replacement... Mete emerging as a legit top-4 puck-mover would help a ton, that's for sure. And, as a few of us noted earlier in the thread, if Drouin turns out to be a viable #1C then the trade is a win for Montreal even if it's not a pure "win" when you compare the two players on paper, just because of what a gaping organizational hole he'll be filling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalhabs Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Heres hoping for a catastrophe season for the isles and chaos in their lockerroom and Tavares being traded to us at the deadline or earlier. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 21 hours ago, Stogey24 said: I'm not comparing the two, because obviously Sergachev has a higher pedigree, but he never turned heads like Mete has at camp( take that as you will). This trade looks pretty juicy, if mete comes out of the woodwork as a quality offensive defensemen. The only reason I didn't LOVE the trade is because there was no Sergachev replacement... Mete is also a year older than Sergachev was at last year's camp. Sergachev has turned heads at this year's lightning camp and is starting the season in their top 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 You've watched him there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 45 minutes ago, Stogey24 said: You've watched him there? No, but all the reports have been glowing out of tampa reporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Commandant said: No, but all the reports have been glowing out of tampa reporters. Well there's no question I'd take Sergachev over Mete. I just never saw the same type of smooth skating and ability to recover after pinch that Mete brings. Sergachev almost looked lazy in his own end at times too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, Stogey24 said: Well there's no question I'd take Sergachev over Mete. I just never saw the same type of smooth skating and ability to recover after pinch that Mete brings. Sergachev almost looked lazy in his own end at times too. The defensive side of the puck was Sergachev's biggest improvement in Windsor last season. He got a lot better. That I did see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Bergevin on mete “As we speak today, he’s on the ice,” said Bergevin. “I can remember clearly that, if I compare last year’s camp of Sergachev with this year’s camp of Mete, I think Mete had a better camp. So far, Mete deserves to be here. Will he stay? That remains to be seen. We have some time to decide.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zumpano21 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 While I have been a fan of MB thus far, we’re beginning to lose the lustre of his tenure. It seems that his most notorious mistakes, - Weber for Subban and letting Markov walk - seem to involve the D corps. I can’t help but think he systematically undervalues or mishandles our defence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 10 minutes ago, zumpano21 said: While I have been a fan of MB thus far, we’re beginning to lose the lustre of his tenure. It seems that his most notorious mistakes, - Weber for Subban and letting Markov walk - seem to involve the D corps. I can’t help but think he systematically undervalues or mishandles our defence. Notorious mistake..Weber? You lost all credibility right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zumpano21 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 26 minutes ago, DON said: Notorious mistake..Weber? You lost all credibility right there. This post will still be here in 3 years right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Enough with debating that trade already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 hour ago, zumpano21 said: This post will still be here in 3 years right? Maybe admin can remove for you? Post is just over the top, that's all, don't be too embarrassed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zumpano21 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 28 minutes ago, DON said: Maybe admin can remove for you? Post is just over the top, that's all, don't be too embarrassed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Sergachev has played over 40 games for the Bolts. So no picks exchanged and Habs keep their 2nd rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 2 hours ago, John B said: Sergachev has played over 40 games for the Bolts. So no picks exchanged and Habs keep their 2nd rounder. Yeh! We only gave up a future #1 dman who as a 19 year old is a solid #4, for a guy who looks like he will just be. A good top 6 winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Great, now MB and crew can trade it for a plug with character Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 3 hours ago, John B said: Sergachev has played over 40 games for the Bolts. So no picks exchanged and Habs keep their 2nd rounder. Tampa Bay has only played 37 games so far so no, he's not there quite yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 The trade looks like a disaster right now, I don't know if it will be though. Sergachev is ready faster than I thought he'd be after watching him in Windsor. He's also well protected but of course he is, Tampa is a smart organization. Drouin has the weight of a franchise on his shoulders to become a first line centre when he's never been able to be a centre at any level in the NHL. It's an unfair situation. But if Drouin moves to the left wing and becomes a 60-70 point winger, will it matter? We still traded a necessary position for an unnecessary one, just because Bergevin was convinced Drouin would become a 1C immediately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 14 minutes ago, Machine of Loving Grace said: The trade looks like a disaster right now According to who? because Bergevin was convinced Drouin would become a 1C immediately. That is what he told you is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 4 hours ago, John B said: Sergachev has played over 40 games for the Bolts. So no picks exchanged and Habs keep their 2nd rounder. 32 minutes ago, dlbalr said: Tampa Bay has only played 37 games so far so no, he's not there quite yet. Assuming he plays the next 3 games, Sergachev's 40th game this season will be next week against Montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link67 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Does anyone seriously think Sergachev would be doing anywhere near as well as he is surrounded by this D? Operating on this PP instead of the one in Tampa? Put things in perspective for crying outloud, its a trade, a swap of players, a swap of environment, team players and surroundings. Over here Sergachev would have been playing somewhere in this D core for 18 min a night, played on our PP making plays to our forwards. Just from that standpoint, his point totals would be significantly different. And who knows what Drouin's point totals would look like playing with Stamkos and Kucherov this season. Sergachev literally got traded to a very ideal situation for himself, and Drouin did not. Failing to see that, or account for it, is not a fair way to look at this thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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