Neech Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 hour ago, DON said: When have four 5th round picks and limited # of contracts, it is simply smart to basically delay the picks a year instead of drafting all 12 kids this year. What does that have to do with politics? (did same last year) Why did we trade down for extra picks then? The general rule of thumb is that a 5th round pick this year is worth more than one next year (unless there's some concensus on the depth of a draft). Then there's the fact that we traded those picks to good teams so they'll probably have a lower position. So these trades don't look good on their face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commandant Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Neech said: Seems like we prioritized picks next year when we're the host, even if the picks are lower. And folks don't think politics plays a role when the Habs host a draft? We traded down last year and then flipped fourth and fifth round picks for picks in this years draft. Also in the first couple rounds the 20th pick vs the 25th pick matters a lot. When you are in the fourth and fifth rounds, it matters little, especially since not all drafts are created equal. You might not mind being 10 picks later in the fourth or fifth round next year if you think next year is a deeper draft. You can't look at just pure number of the pick when you are looking at two different draft years. Not every draft year is created equal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Yea, I actually wish they would have moved up in the 2nd round to get a player in the low to mid 30's. Could have got Struble in the 3rd round round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Not sure if Struble would have been available in the 3rd round as during an interview he stated he expected to go in the 2nd round or late first. I assume he got those expectations from other teams that spoke to him. But in reality who really knows. Who expected Lavoie to go 38th? I think every draft site I looked at had him going in the 15-25 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Chris said: I actually wish they would have moved up in the 2nd round to get a player in the low to mid 30's. Could have got Struble in the 3rd round round The last time we reached in the second round was picking Romanov and that looks alright at this point, so I'll give Struble the benefit of the doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 True, anything is possible. A broken clock is right twice a day Im not a fan of the current drafting team, average at best IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Neech said: Why did we trade down for extra picks then? Seems pretty basic and more picks is typically better to have than fewer, they maybe had no player that the scouts were high on, or maybe they already plan on using a pick or two over next week or at next trade deadline. Picks are simply assets and are used in trades, as well to pick kids with and now they have 9 picks and a couple will be used in trades without really depleting too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 4 hours ago, dlbalr said: Edit: Other MTL invites: It looks like Shank won't be 20 until next February so he wouldn't be eligible to sign as a free agent until then, correct? All four players are QMJHL, I assume they do invite other over-age juniors, too, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Struble played high school hockey in the States. I've seen zero games of him. I think very few people commenting on him have seen him play much. People who have seen him play include Trevor Timmins, Shane Churla, and our US based scout in the Northeast. I think we have to trust them enough to think... hey this is a guy they identified as a talent that they didn't want to take a chance with and wait for the third round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: It looks like Shank won't be 20 until next February so he wouldn't be eligible to sign as a free agent until then, correct? All four players are QMJHL, I assume they do invite other over-age juniors, too, right? Any undrafted CHLer can sign a UFA contract before they go back to their junior club... (see Teasdale and McNiven) Once sent back to his junior club, he will be part of the 2020 draft. If he's undrafted he could sign a UFA contract anytime after that including during an overage season (which would be 2020-21) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Commandant said: Struble played high school hockey in the States. I've seen zero games of him. I think very few people commenting on him have seen him play much. People who have seen him play include Trevor Timmins, Shane Churla, and our US based scout in the Northeast. I think we have to trust them enough to think... hey this is a guy they identified as a talent that they didn't want to take a chance with and wait for the third round. I'm not particularly jazzed on Timmins' record of drafting out of US high schools, since he has only had one work out so far - Ryan McDonough. As for the rest of the picks, outside of Caufield they just don't have the immediate pizzazz that previous draft picks had. This of course means nothing. Time will tell on these picks, not immediate reaction. Rounds 2 through 7 just felt a bit plain and unsexy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 "Jayden has no issue with protecting his goalie or teammates when the need arises and sometimes looks to be seeking out these opportunities." " Struble has a reputation for having a hot temper, and while he plays physical, he can go over the line at times. Let’s just say when I made a trip out to watch him he got thrown out of the game early, and it wasn’t the first time." "Has a bit of a mean streak." (Fairbrother) Maybe leaning towards adding a different type of d-man to the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Commandant Posted June 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2019 And after staying up all night, the Beast is here. The hardest article to write all year (just cause the amount of time that is needed to put this thing into a coherent format). The Draft Grades https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/06/23/2019-nhl-draft-grades-lwoh/ 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Trizzak said: I'm not particularly jazzed on Timmins' record of drafting out of US high schools, since he has only had one work out so far - Ryan McDonough. As for the rest of the picks, outside of Caufield they just don't have the immediate pizzazz that previous draft picks had. This of course means nothing. Time will tell on these picks, not immediate reaction. Rounds 2 through 7 just felt a bit plain and unsexy. I have to think scouting US high school hockey has to be a huge challenge. There are just too many schools and leagues to scout effectively. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyrealist Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Commandant said: And after staying up all night, the Beast is here. The hardest article to write all year (just cause the amount of time that is needed to put this thing into a coherent format). The Draft Grades https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/06/23/2019-nhl-draft-grades-lwoh/ Edited as was able to read on second load and wanted to pay due for the hard work and good read. thanks. stilL enjoying it. Edited June 23, 2019 by hockeyrealist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 28 minutes ago, Commandant said: And after staying up all night, the Beast is here. The hardest article to write all year (just cause the amount of time that is needed to put this thing into a coherent format). The Draft Grades https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/06/23/2019-nhl-draft-grades-lwoh/ Definitely a lot of work -- thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Athletic guys, Pronman liked Habs haul (A-) and Wheeler below not so much: "Montreal Canadiens After their home run with Caufield on Day 1, I didn’t love the Jayden Struble pick at No. 46. I considered him for the honourable mentions of my top 100 though. He’s got a ton of talent but it’s raw and it’s going to be a long time before the Canadiens know what they have there. The good news is that his August birthday allows them to wait. He’s young but there’s some upside there. I did love the Rhett Pitlick selection at No. 131. Pitlick was my BPA at the time; I ranked him No. 58 and recently wrote about him as a potential faller who could have real value. He’s small but boy is he crafty. Gianni Fairbrother is interesting but he’s on the older side and he plays too undisciplined. Rafael Harvey-Pinard is interesting but he’s also an overager and he played on a damn-good team in Rouyn-Noranda. Considering the opportunity they had with nine picks on Day 2, I think there was a much better outcome than the one they walked away with." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyrealist Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, tomh009 said: I have to think scouting US high school hockey has to be a huge challenge. There are just too many schools and leagues to scout effectively. Agreed, which is partly why I was so surprised at the number of players taken. Not to mention how easily some kids dominate at that age, but that isn’t sustainable. If they were drafting kids out of Canadian high school hockey or even top-tier Midget aged players, we’d be baffled I’m sure that they’d gamble on such young talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 38 minutes ago, DON said: Athletic guys, Pronman liked Habs haul (A-) and Wheeler below not so much: "Montreal Canadiens After their home run with Caufield on Day 1, I didn’t love the Jayden Struble pick at No. 46. I considered him for the honourable mentions of my top 100 though. He’s got a ton of talent but it’s raw and it’s going to be a long time before the Canadiens know what they have there. The good news is that his August birthday allows them to wait. He’s young but there’s some upside there. I did love the Rhett Pitlick selection at No. 131. Pitlick was my BPA at the time; I ranked him No. 58 and recently wrote about him as a potential faller who could have real value. He’s small but boy is he crafty. Gianni Fairbrother is interesting but he’s on the older side and he plays too undisciplined. Rafael Harvey-Pinard is interesting but he’s also an overager and he played on a damn-good team in Rouyn-Noranda. Considering the opportunity they had with nine picks on Day 2, I think there was a much better outcome than the one they walked away with." Wheeler is a Habs hater, just look at his twitter feed. He lets his bias creep into this too much IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, Commandant said: Wheeler is a Habs hater, just look at his twitter feed. He lets his bias creep into this too much IMO. Wheeler is a Leafs writer, and it shows. Pronman, love him or hate him, is far more neutral. Wheeler had the Leafs' draft performance at "W" (and one of the best) whereas Pronman ranked them C+ ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 One more note from the Athletic; Pronman ranks Caufield very highly indeed, better than Poehling and Suzuki: Quote Caufield could become an impact player in the NHL, and you don’t get many at No. 15. He becomes the Habs’ top prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Wheeler is a Leafs writer, and it shows. Pronman, love him or hate him, is far more neutral. Wheeler had the Leafs' draft performance at "W" (and one of the best) whereas Pronman ranked them C+ ... They didnt have a first rounder. Got decent value in robertson, and kokkonen for the second and third round. Abramov was ok but not special. I was generous with my B as i didnt want to get accused of anti-leafs bias. Ranking them a draft winner... there is no way. That draft isnt close to what Jersey, Colorado, Carolina, Detroit, and Vegas did. Pretty clear those 5 are a step above this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, tomh009 said: One more note from the Athletic; Pronman ranks Caufield very highly indeed, better than Poehling and Suzuki: Hes better than Poehling. Id debate with suzuki on 1/2, but id likely go suzuki. Wouldnt be by much and i can see the caulfield argument. I was lower on caufield than others. The skating being less than elite at his size gives me a question mark and he wasnt a top 10 for that reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, Commandant said: Hes better than Poehling. Id debate with suzuki on 1/2, but id likely go suzuki. Wouldnt be by much and i can see the caulfield argument. I was lower on caufield than others. The skating being less than elite at his size gives me a question mark and he wasnt a top 10 for that reason. Whichever order we rank them, we'll have a great group of young forwards in a few years, with Kotkaniemi, Suzuki, Poehling and Caufield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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