Prime Minister Koivu Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Don, I agree with everything that you said about Price and I don't want to trade him because of performance. I brought that up as a consideration because I'm wondering what he will look like in 3 years. Will Price be an elite goalie when we are ready to compete? My argument for trading him is that he won't be an elite franchise goalie by the time the rest of the team is ready so lets get some assets for him. Primeau can tandem with our trading partner's goalie until he is ready for full time #1 status. I also agree with what you said about Tatar which is exactly why I want to trade him now. His value is high but what will his value and performance be in three years from now? We should be able to get a very strong return for him (I'm thinking perhaps even better than the Pacioretty trade). If we are going to run the course and continue to draft and develop players then why not add to our draft pick and prospect pool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I think would be very limited teams who could add Price. So kinda think is a non-starter unless Habs eat part of salary and you are willing to have mediocre to poor goaltending in short term. But, if team keeps on losing, the pressure will mount on everyone and sounds like Price is ready to snap. In the end, every player is tradable and the ones no one dares propose will bring back biggest return, like a Gallagher (maybe can hope Caufield can fill his role, not same type player but). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I am not too disappointed in the current underperformance of CH because my expectations were low this season. I cheered when they were overachieving and I will be quieter now that they are crumbling under injuries and rookie mulistakes. The path for me this year is to hang onto Price and Weber. Trade Petry and shop Domi just in case a desperate team with aging centres gives up a 1st round pick (PHI? MIN?) Other than that, I would play the kids and get the most out of Kovalchuk and cie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott462 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I am not too disappointed in the current underperformance of CH because my expectations were low this season. I cheered when they were overachieving and I will be quieter now that they are crumbling under injuries and rookie mulistakes. The path for me this year is to hang onto Price and Weber. Trade Petry and shop Domi just in case a desperate team with aging centres gives up a 1st round pick (PHI? MIN?) Other than that, I would play the kids and get the most out of Kovalchuk and cie. I honestly see no reason to trade Domi, he is still so young and hasn’t reached his prime yet and has shown that he is capable of producing at a high level. Domi is apart of the new core going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, Scott462 said: I honestly see no reason to trade Domi, he is still so young and hasn’t reached his prime yet and has shown that he is capable of producing at a high level. Domi is apart of the new core going forward. He is a high value asset that may bring in a 1st round pick from a desperate team. we have a potential replacement in Suzuki and sufficient prospect depth at centre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott462 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: He is a high value asset that may bring in a 1st round pick from a desperate team. we have a potential replacement in Suzuki and sufficient prospect depth at centre Sure his value is high but he’s 24 years old and Montreal’s best offensive forward. Why would we trade that away for a prospect that might not even be as good as him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: He is a high value asset that may bring in a 1st round pick from a desperate team. we have a potential replacement in Suzuki and sufficient prospect depth at centre I disagree. Keep Domi until you *know* that Suzuki and KoKo can be top-6 C. (I doubt that Poehling will ever be that, as this is not really his profile). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott462 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I disagree. Keep Domi until you *know* that Suzuki and KoKo can be top-6 C. (I doubt that Poehling will ever be that, as this is not really his profile). Even then why are we trading away our most talented forwards that have not even entered there primes yet? Domi can be moved to the wing in the event those guys are ready for C. And honestly the way Suzuki is struggling defensively and KK in general I don’t think that’s even a good argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Scott462 said: Even then why are we trading away our most talented forwards that have not even entered there primes yet? Domi can be moved to the wing in the event those guys are ready for C. And honestly the way Suzuki is struggling defensively and KK in general I don’t think that’s even a good argument. Agree 100%. Being a "seller" doesn't mean shipping out highly productive 24-year olds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 The centers for next could be: Which is good Domi Suzuki Danault KK (not sure if he was just a bad pick, poor line mates or what but he has been garbage this year, injuries for sure didnt help, it would be nice if he learned to stay on his feet You also have Poehling who was moved to wing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Out of 25 points this year, the Wings have 6 of them against the habs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Agree 100%. Being a "seller" doesn't mean shipping out highly productive 24-year olds. Domi 24 Lehkonen 24 Drouin 24 Danault 26 Armia 26 These guys are good and will not be over the hill in, say, three years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, Chris said: The centers for next could be: Which is good Domi Suzuki Danault KK (not sure if he was just a bad pick, poor line mates or what but he has been garbage this year, injuries for sure didnt help, it would be nice if he learned to stay on his feet You also have Poehling who was moved to wing I think the centers could be: Danault(swap to 3C later) Suzuki Kotkaniemi (swap to 1C later) Poehling with this year to suffer growing pains. Domi is not as effective on the wing as it was pointed out to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 43 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I disagree. Keep Domi until you *know* that Suzuki and KoKo can be top-6 C. (I doubt that Poehling will ever be that, as this is not really his profile). I know you are always cautious in trusting prospects to carry the team before some milage; but you also have written that you want a rebuild. Let’s go for a deeper reset or a milder rebuild by sacrificing Petey and Domi and playing the prospects in the NHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 48 minutes ago, Scott462 said: Sure his value is high but he’s 24 years old and Montreal’s best offensive forward. Why would we trade that away for a prospect that might not even be as good as him? Because We have decent 24 year olds in Drouin 2020 and Lehkonen 2020 to play with Suzuki and make Domi a good trading chip for a 1st round pick in the 2020 lottery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Droiun? He has had a good 12 game stretch, other than that he has been average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott462 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: Because We have decent 24 year olds in Drouin 2020 and Lehkonen 2020 to play with Suzuki and make Domi a good trading chip for a 1st round pick in the 2020 lottery He is by far our best forward, again it makes no sense to trade him. People keep harping on the fact that this team needs more raw talent. We should be keeping and holding on to our young talented players that are in the age group of the new core. The Tatar’s and Petry’s should be the ones targeted for another 1st round pick in 2020. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: Because We have decent 24 year olds in Drouin 2020 and Lehkonen 2020 to play with Suzuki and make Domi a good trading chip for a 1st round pick in the 2020 lottery No team is going to trade an unprotected lottery pick for Domi. Even a lottery pick isn't a guarantee...Yakupov, Galchenyuk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Yep, Byron and Thompson should be the other habs moved If they can get some for either new guy that's fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, Chris said: Droiun? He has had a good 12 game stretch, other than that he has been average Drouin's value is at an all-time low. He looked quite good to start the season before he got hurt. He's young. I think we're stuck with him, for better and worse, and frankly we could do worse. I think the odds are about 75% that he remain "soft skill" who evaporates at inconvenient times and will not become more than a secondary piece, but he does bring skill and decent production. If he could add second effort and some grit to his game, he'd become a first-line FW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 38 minutes ago, Chris said: Yep, Byron and Thompson should be the other habs moved If they can get some for either new guy that's fine Who would trade for Byron at this point? $3.4M cap hit for 3 years beyond this season, missed a 1/4 of last year and looking to be about the same this year. I'd say we're stuck with him unless Seattle takes him in 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 He is a 15-20 goal scorer and can kill penalties and move up and down the line up. I think his contract is a fair one that can be moved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (19) Michel Therrien Tells It Like It Is - YouTube.html Not sure about the rules for this site, This a classic MT rant when coach of the Penguins, Sums up the habs perfectly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metallica Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Well I haven't been posting much wanted to see how the season played out. But remember the season production earlier.... Looks like I hit it bang on because this is what I said. and everyone ripped me for saying this. I think Florida has made some nice improvements and will finish higher than us. We have the same team as last year. So we finish 6th in the division. 13 or 14 in the conference. That could all change if Bergevin gets off his ass and trades for a puck moving defensemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Gardiner didn't want to play in Montreal. And that's probably a good thing, even if we miss playoffs again this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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