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44 minutes ago, DON said:

Really? Is this the 1800s?

No.  If this was 1800's,  business would have to be done in English.

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1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

Im sure they do. 

Not sure an Anglo would be tolerated 

Tolerated by fans or the government ?

 

By the fans has always been the discussion, and the fear by the Habs/Molson et al ... but I am confident that government doesn't enter into the equation.

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2 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

Today Legault announced new French language laws. I only understood part of it but part of this new law is that business must be done in French. 
 

The way they described this law means that the Habs management must conduct business in French alone - meaning no Anglo coach or GM

The fact that these laws are being passed is a sign that most Quebecers support them (not necessarily most Montrealers)- they are the ones who elected the governments. These are the types of concerns that led a lot of companies to move from head offices from Montreal to Ontario, in the 80’s and 90’s.

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16 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

Tolerated by fans or the government ?

 

By the fans has always been the discussion, and the fear by the Habs/Molson et al ... but I am confident that government doesn't enter into the equation.

Who elected the government that is passing these laws?

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From my experience, as a French Speaking guy from Montreal,  the more people are concerned about Habs' success, the less they care about the language spoken by the coach or any staff member.

 

Mr. Anybody on the street who will give his opinion on the matter will probably say that they care in a larger %, but as soon as you run the same survey among die hard Habs fans and people who follow hockey closely and understand the league and the sport better, the % of people who believe we need more Quebec born players or even a French speaking coach drop big time.

 

And then you have the Rejean Tremblay and the Bertrand Raymond  who will always write about this issue and act like they are the leader of a movement among the population.  BS.

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1 hour ago, GHT120 said:

Tolerated by fans or the government ?

 

By the fans has always been the discussion, and the fear by the Habs/Molson et al ... but I am confident that government doesn't enter into the equation.

 

1 hour ago, hab29RETIRED said:

Who elected the government that is passing these laws?


When the government brings up the fact that the Habs had no French players in the lineup for ONE stinking game it speaks volumes. Add in today’s news and you see a new round of nationalism beginning. 
 

As Hab29 says, the government represents the people and if the people elect government with this platform it shows they support it. 
 

It’s not impossible for an Anglo GM or coach but it would take a real savvy politician or ex player to help. Not advocating but Roy as president might have the clout to convince Québécois that winning is more important than speaking French. 
 

Molson couldn’t stand under the pressure. This flake apologized twice, once for cunnyworth and last year when Muller coached. 

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1 hour ago, JoeLassister said:

From my experience, as a French Speaking guy from Montreal,  the more people are concerned about Habs' success, the less they care about the language spoken by the coach or any staff member.

 

Mr. Anybody on the street who will give his opinion on the matter will probably say that they care in a larger %, but as soon as you run the same survey among die hard Habs fans and people who follow hockey closely and understand the league and the sport better, the % of people who believe we need more Quebec born players or even a French speaking coach drop big time.

 

And then you have the Rejean Tremblay and the Bertrand Raymond  who will always write about this issue and act like they are the leader of a movement among the population.  BS.

I can't say I grew up anywhere but I aged as a kid in Montreal until I was 15. And as an english speaking only kid on Rosedale avenue , a stone's throw from Trenhomme Park, I closely identified with the players of the team as 'our guys' or us. Especially when playing the Lake Ontario oddball wannabes... the Leafs and their suicidal ownership. 

 

So as a kid I get it. And I think its wonderful that Guy was one of us.. even as an english speaking kid. 

 

I rather hate the idea of hockey as a business with performance goals but prefer to see it as the people I love in hot competition with the rest of the world. I've always had an inverted prejudice when it comes to Quebec vs the ROC although that was then and this is now and pretty different. 

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3 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:

Who elected the government that is passing these laws?

The 38% that voted for the Coalition Avenir Québec, of the 66% who turned out and voted ... so about 25% of the population ... and as with EVERY election at EVERY level no way to know what portion of that 25% agreed with any one specific element of the party's platform ... 

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1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

When the government brings up the fact that the Habs had no French players in the lineup for ONE stinking game it speaks volumes ...

Did the GOVERNMENT bring it up or did Premier Philippe Couillard respond to a reporter's question?   

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1 hour ago, Toronthab said:

There youse guys go picking on me again!! 

Keep up the good work sir!

Yourself and Trizzak really do make me chuckle often, wish i was just half as witty...someday when i grow up maybe?

 

 Cheers.

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55 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

The 38% that voted for the Coalition Avenir Québec, of the 66% who turned out and voted ... so about 25% of the population ... and as with EVERY election at EVERY level no way to know what portion of that 25% agreed with any one specific element of the party's platform ... 

 

Maybe there is room for an Anglo?

 

I can’t appreciate Quebec politics and nationalism and all of that history. I just remember Molson apologized for having an English coach twice so I figured it must be a big deal to do something so wrong. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

 

Maybe there is room for an Anglo?

 

I can’t appreciate Quebec politics and nationalism and all of that history. I just remember Molson apologized for having an English coach twice so I figured it must be a big deal to do something so wrong. 

 

 

 

The the internal operations of businesses the size of the Habs must, by law, be conducted in French, then any Anglo would have to be bilingual. (Of course, I haven’t read the bill; there are probably qualifiers in there like “largely in French”, “to the greatest extent possible,” etc. Those could provide some flexibility, but certainly not enough that a unilingual English GM would be legal - unless the Habs hire translators).

 

The history of French-Canadian marginalization within the economy of their own province is very real. That said, it has not really be an issue since the 1970s. These kinds of laws are not about solving any actual problems, they are a sort of political virtue-signalling identity politics pandering to mostly irrational majoritarian fears. But at least this law is not overtly racist like Bill C-21.

 

Also: as I’ve noted before, if English-speaking hockey people did not act like learning a second language was an unimaginable hardship, these sorts of linguistic provisions wouldn’t bother us as much.

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2 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said:

Maybe there is room for an Anglo?

 

I can’t appreciate Quebec politics and nationalism and all of that history. I just remember Molson apologized for having an English coach twice so I figured it must be a big deal to do something so wrong. 

 

Not saying it isn't a consideration from molson's perspective ... just that the government has nothing to do with it other than a typical politician answering a question with what they think is the most politically beneficial answer.

 

As I said elsewhere ... it would be interesting for someone like The Gazette to do some detailed, scientific polling (i.e., not a question on a website) to find out exactly how much of a problem it would be from a PR perspective.

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