Habsfan89 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 What the new lines could look like after the Dvorak trade and letting Kotkaniemi walk Toffoli / Suzuki / Caufeild Hoffman / Dvorak / Gallagher Drouin / Evans / Anderson Lehkonen / Paquette / Armia Ex Byron, Poehling , Perreault I think we have to much winger's and should trade some to upgrade the LD side of the D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 (edited) I have a different lines: Scoring line: Hoffman-Suzuki-Caufield Secondary scoring: Drouin-Dvorak-Anderson Two-way line: Toffoli-Evans-Gallagher Energy line: Lehkonen-Paquette-Armia Dea, Perrault Edmundson-Petry Chiarot-Savard Romanov-Wideman Kulak PP1: Hoffman-Suzuki-Caufield Drouin-Petry PP2: Anderson-Dvorak-Gallagher Toffoli-Wideman Edited September 5, 2021 by alfredoh2009 switched Drouin and Toffoli on the PPs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Anderson Suzuki caufield Hoffman Dvorak Toffoli Lehks Evans Gallagher Drouin Poehling Armia Perrault Paquette Byron** Edmundson Petry Chiarot Savard Romanov Kulak Norlider Wideman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said: I have a different lines: Scoring line: Hoffman-Suzuki-Caufield Secondary scoring: Drouin-Dvorak-Anderson Two-way line: Toffoli-Evans-Gallagher Energy line: Lehkonen-Paquette-Armia Dea, Perrault Edmundson-Petry Chiarot-Savard Romanov-Wideman Kulak PP1: Hoffman-Suzuki-Caufield Drouin-Petry PP2: Anderson-Dvorak-Gallagher Toffoli-Wideman Taffoli is on the energy line after leading the team in scoring??? Really?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nihilz Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Toffoli Suzuki Caufield Hoffman Dvorak Anderson Drouin Poehling Gallagher Lehkonen Evans Armia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 1 hour ago, nihilz said: Toffoli Suzuki Caufield Hoffman Dvorak Anderson Drouin Poehling Gallagher Lehkonen Evans Armia Yeah, I think Poehling has to be in there somewhere. I have a gut feeling he will surprise a lot of people this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nihilz Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 47 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Yeah, I think Poehling has to be in there somewhere. I have a gut feeling he will surprise a lot of people this year. With Byron out, I think you give him a good look over Perrault & Paquette. His job to lose. Just put him in a position to succeed. When Byron's back you have a 2way to send down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longstreet Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 7 hours ago, nihilz said: Toffoli Suzuki Caufield Hoffman Dvorak Anderson Drouin Poehling Gallagher Lehkonen Evans Armia This is the optimal lineup, IMO. Evans is a 4C. Poehling seems to be ready now and is a great fit for Gally and Drouin. Paquette and Perrault are depth forwards only. It will be tough for Byron coming back from hip surgery and quite frankly they do not need him in 21-22 if ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 16 hours ago, nihilz said: Toffoli Suzuki Caufield Hoffman Dvorak Anderson Drouin Poehling Gallagher Lehkonen Evans Armia I like your line up, even if different than mine. Let's hope Poehling wins that spot, that would be awesome for the Habs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 14 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: Let's hope Poehling wins that spot, that would be awesome for the Habs Call me an unbeliever, i think would be awesome to see Poehling has improved enough to be 3rd centre; but, we all know it simply aint happening next month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Can we stop handing huge roster responsibilities to kids who have never played, or played one, NHL game, please? It is much more plausible to think that Evans is ready for the next step than that Poehling is ready to jump 2-3 steps. Poehling should be competing for a 4th line spot. On the wing if necessary. If he consistently plays well over a number of weeks, then consider moving him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 20 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Can we stop handing huge roster responsibilities to kids who have never played, or played one, NHL game, please? It is much more plausible to think that Evans is ready for the next step than that Poehling is ready to jump 2-3 steps. Poehling should be competing for a 4th line spot. On the wing if necessary. If he consistently plays well over a number of weeks, then consider moving him up. Poehling should be competing for a ROSTER spot. Where he plays should depend on what his play dictates. I hate the attitude that a young player should start in the 4th line. Let his play and performance dictate where he ends up after training camp and start of the year. What I hate is pencilling in, or counting on a rookie or young player, who has not shown he belongs in the NHL a spot in the lineup. Yzerman has kept his early draft picks in Europe or the minors, until they have shown they belong. MB has consistently used 18 year olds and rookies, trying to fill holes caused by his mis-management and mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 13 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: Poehling should be competing for a ROSTER spot. Where he plays should depend on what his play dictates. I hate the attitude that a young player should start in the 4th line. Let his play and performance dictate where he ends up after training camp and start of the year. What I hate is pencilling in, or counting on a rookie or young player, who has not shown he belongs in the NHL a spot in the lineup. Yzerman has kept his early draft picks in Europe or the minors, until they have shown they belong. MB has consistently used 18 year olds and rookies, trying to fill holes caused by his mis-management and mistakes. Actually I agree with everything you say here. I’m assuming that Poehling is more of a bottom-6 guy, and the usual starting point for those guys is the 4th line, but if he is unexpectedly ready to play shutdown minutes, then of course we should use him in that way. My real point in that post is that it is silly to PLAN on the assumption that Poehling will be a 3rd-line NHL C. That would a happy freak event. Much more realistic planning would be to slot Evans for that role and take a wait-and-see approach to Poehling, which is what you are advocating as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 14 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: Poehling should be competing for a ROSTER spot. Where he plays should depend on what his play dictates. I hate the attitude that a young player should start in the 4th line. Let his play and performance dictate where he ends up after training camp and start of the year. What I hate is pencilling in, or counting on a rookie or young player, who has not shown he belongs in the NHL a spot in the lineup. Yzerman has kept his early draft picks in Europe or the minors, until they have shown they belong. MB has consistently used 18 year olds and rookies, trying to fill holes caused by his mis-management and mistakes. I think he'll be competing for that 4th line center spot vrs Paquette. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 19 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: Poehling should be competing for a ROSTER spot. Where he plays should depend on what his play dictates. Agreed. I am obviously more optimistic than many on what Poehling's ceiling is but he has to earn it at training camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Actually I agree with everything you say here. I’m assuming that Poehling is more of a bottom-6 guy, and the usual starting point for those guys is the 4th line, but if he is unexpectedly ready to play shutdown minutes, then of course we should use him in that way. My real point in that post is that it is silly to PLAN on the assumption that Poehling will be a 3rd-line NHL C. That would a happy freak event. Much more realistic planning would be to slot Evans for that role and take a wait-and-see approach to Poehling, which is what you are advocating as well. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said: I think he'll be competing for that 4th line center spot vrs Paquette. Could be. But we have to stop expecting or penciling players in for the spot. Let’s see how they do on training camp. Than, evaluate them during the start of the year. Make full use of the waiver exempt period and allow them to show they can dominate and produce at the lower level, before bringing them up. Once they are up, let them show they belong. If they unsurp a veteran, so be it. Move them up the lineup, or let them bump the veteran out (high is what I think KK had shown enough to bump Stall out last year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Agreed. I am obviously more optimistic than many on what Poehling's ceiling is but he has to earn it at training camp. Hey, I’m still hoping he can be a 3rd, or even a 2nd line player (if he is, would probably be on the wing though), but we shouldn’t be constructing the roster on that expectation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 5 hours ago, DON said: Call me an unbeliever, i think would be awesome to see Poehling has improved enough to be 3rd centre; but, we all know it simply aint happening next month. you are an unbeliever, Don ! 🤪 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 38 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: Could be. But we have to stop expecting or penciling players in for the spot. Let’s see how they do on training camp. Than, evaluate them during the start of the year. Make full use of the waiver exempt period and allow them to show they can dominate and produce at the lower level, before bringing them up. Once they are up, let them show they belong. If they unsurp a veteran, so be it. Move them up the lineup, or let them bump the veteran out (high is what I think KK had shown enough to bump Stall out last year). but, that is what this thread is for !? 2021/2022 Lineup Ideas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 2 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said: Could be. But we have to stop expecting or penciling players in for the spot. Let’s see how they do on training camp. Than, evaluate them during the start of the year. Make full use of the waiver exempt period and allow them to show they can dominate and produce at the lower level, before bringing them up. Once they are up, let them show they belong. If they unsurp a veteran, so be it. Move them up the lineup, or let them bump the veteran out (high is what I think KK had shown enough to bump Stall out last year). I for one don't understand why Bergevin signed Paquette and Perreault to begin with other than to keep the French media off his back for lack of French players. We have the depth on the wings. I would of kept that 4th line center spot open for someone to try and win a spot in camp and preseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said: I for one don't understand why Bergevin signed Paquette and Perreault to begin with other than to keep the French media off his back for lack of French players. We have the depth on the wings. I would of kept that 4th line center spot open for someone to try and win a spot in camp and preseason. Someone still may ... both veterans can play wing and are also making less then the upper threshold for their contract to be buried ... I still feel like another trade is coming ... so the "presumed" 4th line wingers (Armia and Lehkonen) could be part or could slide up if another winger is dealt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 21 minutes ago, Habsfan89 said: I for one don't understand why Bergevin signed Paquette and Perreault to begin with $1.8m total for both for 1yr, so what risk is there and every team needs depth, dont they? And doesnt hurt that they are french, we all know it factors in...Bergevin hinting Drouin being french factored in (or however he put it, cant remember exact comment) to Sergachev deal, NOW that one bugged me back then and played out horribly till now is 'bit' painful also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanfan Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Can we stop handing huge roster responsibilities to kids who have never played, or played one, NHL game, please? It is much more plausible to think that Evans is ready for the next step than that Poehling is ready to jump 2-3 steps. Poehling should be competing for a 4th line spot. On the wing if necessary. If he consistently plays well over a number of weeks, then consider moving him up. Which is why I can't understand why everyone is putting Caufield in on the first line. Seriously? He has played all of 10 regular season games. He looked good. But he hasn't even earned a roster spot yet, let alone the first line? It would be great if he EARNS that spot, but he could just as easily be in Laval by the end of November. And, let's be clear, I really like Cole. I really do. But he hasn't PROVEN anything yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 40 minutes ago, titanfan said: And, let's be clear, I really like Cole. I really do. But he hasn't PROVEN anything yet. I think Cole proved a lot in the playoffs, he proved he is not scared of the spotlight and proved he can play at the NHL level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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