Commandant Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: dare I suggest/ask... wrong thread ? 😬 I was talking about how he is handling Caufield... It's right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 5 hours ago, Commandant said: Fire Ducharme On a team with two legit centres, he puts Caufield on the third line after 4 periods of hockey (started in game 2 vs Buffalo) and then when he doesn't produce, sends him down. So stupid. I’d rather he be on Laval than the 3rd line. That’s pretty much what Maxpac said when he was on the 3rd/4th lines by Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 4 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Everybody calm down...maybe, just maybe, getting CC out of the toxic cesspool of the 2021-22 Habs and putting him in a position where he can dominate again isn't a terrible thing..? Totally agree. He needs to be a top line, or at least a top 6 player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Then play him on the top line. There was no reason to take him off after less than 2 games. Pacioretty had nearly 100 NhL games with like 10 goals when he was sent down. Not the same situation imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Similar when kk was sent down - I wasn't against it, but felt that the timing of it was wrong. ex: kk was in that fight, and it seemed to help turn the team around - and then he was sent down. With Caufield it is unfortunate that he was sent down and then within 24 hrs its released that Price is on his way back. However, being sent down helped kk, he was a lot better when he was brought back up. Hopefully, this will have the same affect of Caufield. I fully imagine that Caufield will be brought back when Price is able to play in his 1st game. i.e. Caufield will probably only be in Laval for 2 weeks or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 So, looking at iGF/60 vs ixGF/60 on 5v5 for individual players, prior to Detroit game. The biggest differences: Hoffman 1.29 vs 0.38 (scoring more goals than expected given his opportunities) Perreault 1.42 vs 0.74 Drouin 0.87 vs 0.44 Suzuki 0 vs 0.43 Toffoli 0 vs 0.46 Caufield 0 vs 0.67 Gallagher 0 vs 0.68 Armia 0 vs 0.74 Lehkonen 0 vs 0.83 (ouch!) The sample size is really too small to pay a lot of attention to ixGF. But there is no doubt about Hoffman's and Perreault's scoring. And zeroes are zeroes ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: So, looking at iGF/60 vs ixGF/60 on 5v5 for individual players, prior to Detroit game. The biggest differences: Hoffman 1.29 vs 0.38 (scoring more goals than expected given his opportunities) Perreault 1.42 vs 0.74 Drouin 0.87 vs 0.44 Suzuki 0 vs 0.43 Toffoli 0 vs 0.46 Caufield 0 vs 0.67 Gallagher 0 vs 0.68 Armia 0 vs 0.74 Lehkonen 0 vs 0.83 (ouch!) The sample size is really too small to pay a lot of attention to ixGF. But there is no doubt about Hoffman's and Perreault's scoring. And zeroes are zeroes ... the way I understand those numbers is iGF/60 = actual individual goals for per 60min ixGF/60 = expected individual goals for per 60min what I do not know if the 60 min is 60 minutes played or per game. since some players play 8 minutes and others play 16 min per game, I wonder if those numbers should be pro-rated to actual minutes played per game... In this view, bottom-6 players like Perreault, Armia, Lehkonen seem to have better expected numbers than top-6 forwards; which in my understanding points to Drouin, Suzuki, Toffoli, Caufield and Gallagher to be due for a streak is that correct? or am I wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 10 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: the way I understand those numbers is iGF/60 = actual individual goals for per 60min ixGF/60 = expected individual goals for per 60min what I do not know if the 60 min is 60 minutes played or per game. since some players play 8 minutes and others play 16 min per game, I wonder if those numbers should be pro-rated to actual minutes played per game... In this view, bottom-6 players like Perreault, Armia, Lehkonen seem to have better expected numbers than top-6 forwards; which in my understanding points to Drouin, Suzuki, Toffoli, Caufield and Gallagher to be due for a streak is that correct? or am I wrong? I respect advanced stats…but I don’t pretend to understand them, LOL. Good questions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 10 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: the way I understand those numbers is iGF/60 = actual individual goals for per 60min ixGF/60 = expected individual goals for per 60min what I do not know if the 60 min is 60 minutes played or per game. since some players play 8 minutes and others play 16 min per game, I wonder if those numbers should be pro-rated to actual minutes played per game... In this view, bottom-6 players like Perreault, Armia, Lehkonen seem to have better expected numbers than top-6 forwards; which in my understanding points to Drouin, Suzuki, Toffoli, Caufield and Gallagher to be due for a streak is that correct? or am I wrong? It's per 60 minutes of playing time, so it normalizes the numbers across players that get varying amounts of ice time. As you suggested! And, yes, Lehkonen gets/generates quite a lot of scoring chances relative to his ice time, unfortunately he's not as good at finishing those and putting the puck in the net! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 14 hours ago, Commandant said: Then play him on the top line. There was no reason to take him off after less than 2 games. Pacioretty had nearly 100 NhL games with like 10 goals when he was sent down. Not the same situation imo. Overreaction to Kotkaniemi blowback? Not that will hurt him one bit in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I really don’t understand this forum sometimes. We spent the last 4 months adamant that all rookies are rushed to the NHL, stunting their growth. They need to be in the AHL to develop. Caufield comes in in his rookie year, after a handful of games in the AHL, and struggles. Suggesting he needs to be in the AHL for at least a stint. And now we’re up in arms because he’s not in the NHL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: I really don’t understand this forum sometimes. We spent the last 4 months adamant that all rookies are rushed to the NHL, stunting their growth. They need to be in the AHL to develop ... Some were adamant, some didn't 2 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: ... Caufield comes in in his rookie year, after a handful of games in the AHL, and struggles. Suggesting he needs to be in the AHL for at least a stint. And now we’re up in arms because he’s not in the NHL? Some are up-in-arms, some aren't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Some were adamant, some didn't and some are one is Adam Ant Edited November 9, 2021 by alfredoh2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 5 hours ago, GHT120 said: Some were adamant, some didn't Some are up-in-arms, some aren't If a player isn’t ready, he a go Ike he in the AHL. If a player like Caufield is struggling and is going to be playing on the bottom two lines, with limited time, he AHL I’lld be in the AHL. I for one have complained in the habs constantly rushing kids before they are ready. And like the fact that Caufield is going to get more minutes end be in an offensive role in Laval than being a minion in Montreal. I think Romanov should also be in Laval. having said that, I don’t have issues with those that argue that Caufield wansnt used properly (i.e. not being on or getting top line minutes), for a long enough period before being sent down. Maybe it wouldn’t have hurt to have given him a longer look with Suzuki, before sending him down. However, I see zero value playing a guy his age, who usually has played a lower number of games in college, with grunts and low minutes. I also don’t think that extra time in the AHL is going to hurt a player, while rushing one into the NHL and have him is struggle will probably hurt him long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 does any one know what happened? The AHL saw the Utica tweet targeting Caufield and made it clear to the Comets tweets like this are not appropriate. https://t.co/2IqgkZpvJT — Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) November 9, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: does any one know what happened? ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: That was funny why the need to apologize ? worse things are said on the ice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 31 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: That was funny why the need to apologize ? worse things are said on the ice Official social media accounts shouldn't be calling out players from other teams. That was just someone being stupid. Players can say things on the ice, sure, but some intern or staffer shouldn't be posting stuff like that on Twitter for all to see. There's a big difference between the two. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 12 hours ago, dlbalr said: Official social media accounts shouldn't be calling out players from other teams. That was just someone being stupid. Players can say things on the ice, sure, but some intern or staffer shouldn't be posting stuff like that on Twitter for all to see. There's a big difference between the two. No kidding. Between this garbage and Carolina’s trolling of the Habs, I’m tempted to ask WTF is going on these days with hockey teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Maybe Caufield can score today... hope so, if just for his confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: No kidding. Between this garbage and Carolina’s trolling of the Habs, I’m tempted to ask WTF is going on these days with hockey teams. It's all about standing out to get the likes on social media. Teams see what Carolina, LA, and Vegas are doing and think they need to be more edgy to get more followers. Even though Utica's account had to delete the tweet, I'm sure the person who posted it quietly got a pat on the back because look at all the attention they're getting now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Like most low-end NHLers, Pezzetta has better hands than we might expect ... just can't actually use them in games BTW ... which of the habs defencemen is taking part in the drill ... looks familiar Yes ... I do know it's a mannequin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: Yes ... I do know it's a mannequin. I gather he is rocketing up the depth chart given his unusual mobility for a Habs defenceman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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