GHT120 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Commandant said: ... He's a finisher. He needs players who can pass him the puck. But not, at the moment, in the NHL ... I'll agree that playing him on the 4th line would be illogical ... but I also see Top 6 as asking too much of him at the moment, which does his development no good ... he needs the rest of the season in the AHL (IMO) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 38 minutes ago, GHT120 said: But not, at the moment, in the NHL ... I'll agree that playing him on the 4th line would be illogical ... but I also see Top 6 as asking too much of him at the moment, which does his development no good ... he needs the rest of the season in the AHL (IMO) I agree he needs to be sent to the AHL now that the team is healthy. When the team wasn't healthy and he was forced into the lineup and the AHL wasn't really an option, why were we playing him on the fourth line and no PP time though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Commandant said: I'm not talking about October, I'm talking about now [...] He's a finisher. He needs players who can pass him the puck. Not right now, he is not a finisher right now and does not deserve PP time the team does not revolve around Caufield; he needs to show that he will make the team better when he plays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: Not right now, he is not a finisher right now and does not deserve PP time the team does not revolve around Caufield; he needs to show that he will make the team better when he plays The team has 23 points in 42 games.... the team doesn't revolve around Caufield... but the team should do EVERYTHING with a focus on development not wins. Who cares if Hoffman scores another PP goal? It does nothing to make future seasons better, Hoffman is who he is. Every decision from the start of say December to the end of the season should be made with a plan to develop Suzuki, Caufield, Romanov, Poehling, Evans, etc.... Seriously, you keep bending over backwards to defend DD, are you related or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Commandant said: Seriously, you keep bending over backwards to defend DD, are you related or something? I will not take that personally... I do not like seeing unfounded claims or unfair evaluations on players and coaches : specially when based on interpretation and not facts No one on this forum knows what decision the Habs organization has made with regards to winning vs developing No one knows what marching orders have been given to Ducharme Nk one has the details of the internal evaluation and development plan for Caufield .., and I am not the one bending over backwards: revisionist history is a lens that feed only egos and anarchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 4 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: I will not take that personally... I do not like seeing unfounded claims or unfair evaluations on players and coaches : specially when based on interpretation and not facts No one on this forum knows what decision the Habs organization has made with regards to winning vs developing No one knows what marching orders have been given to Ducharme Nk one has the details of the internal evaluation and development plan for Caufield .., and I am not the one bending over backwards: revisionist history is a lens that feed only egos and anarchy If people didn't have different opinions this forum would be awfully boring and far less enjoyable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 5 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: I will not take that personally... I do not like seeing unfounded claims or unfair evaluations on players and coaches : specially when based on interpretation and not facts No one on this forum knows what decision the Habs organization has made with regards to winning vs developing No one knows what marching orders have been given to Ducharme Nk one has the details of the internal evaluation and development plan for Caufield .., and I am not the one bending over backwards: revisionist history is a lens that feed only egos and anarchy If this organization did not give him orders to focus on development over winning, at the very minimum when Bergevin was fired and Gorton brought in, then we have bigger problems than the coach. I'm 100% confident that the plan has been development for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Any thoughts on Jim Montgomery as coach? Bilingual, former teammate of Hughes. Strong coach of the kids at DU. Rehabbed, asst coach for the Blues now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 3 hours ago, huzer said: Any thoughts on Jim Montgomery as coach? Bilingual, former teammate of Hughes. Strong coach of the kids at DU. Rehabbed, asst coach for the Blues now. Interesting. Whether the pressure cooker of Montreal is ideal for a recovering alcoholic is another question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Just now, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Interesting. Whether the pressure cooker of Montreal is ideal for a recovering alcoholic is another question. Just ask Kassian how that went ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 13 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: Just ask Kassian how that went ... His issues happened before the season even started ... I don't recall any particular "pressure" on him at that point ... he was a new guy for whom their were hopes ... the top wasn't even yet (IMO) locked-down on the Montreal media pressure cooker ... think he just needed another "slap in the face" before he took cleaning up his act seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzer Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I primarily brought up Monty as a counter to the Boucher/Bouchard/Vigneault discussions that seem to focus on them being the most likely of candidates. While that very well may be true, I thought it was interesting when I reread the article on the Gazette about Hughes, that he was a former teammate of Montgomery. And hey, then there would be an odd little piece of Habs history when 2 players traded for each other have been coaches of the team! My son did a hockey camp with him while he was still at DU, and I had a few interactions with him while he was here, but only as parents of kids playing mite hockey at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 19 hours ago, huzer said: Any thoughts on Jim Montgomery as coach? Bilingual, former teammate of Hughes. Strong coach of the kids at DU. Rehabbed, asst coach for the Blues now. He's someone that would definitely be worth considering, especially if they're looking at a longer-scale rebuild and don't want another first-time coach in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 hours ago, huzer said: I primarily brought up Monty as a counter to the Boucher/Bouchard/Vigneault discussions that seem to focus on them being the most likely of candidates. While that very well may be true, I thought it was interesting when I reread the article on the Gazette about Hughes, that he was a former teammate of Montgomery. And hey, then there would be an odd little piece of Habs history when 2 players traded for each other have been coaches of the team! My son did a hockey camp with him while he was still at DU, and I had a few interactions with him while he was here, but only as parents of kids playing mite hockey at the time. I do not know enough about Jim Montgomery to comment, seems like you can tell us more about him that I would get from googling his name. I threw a few coach names on another thread and I am posting here. it is funny that most of the names I mentioned are ex-Avalanche head coaches 33 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: [...] Mark Crawford? Mike Babcock? Joel Queneville? Syvain Lefevre? Claude Julien? Bob Hartley? Patrick Roy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I think Hartley is set to retire after this season from his KHL job. Crawford is getting up there in age as well so he's probably not a long-term option. As for Roy, there remains no scenario where he should be considered for the position. Remember, out of all of the coaching vacancies over the past few years, he has only interviewed once (and that was Ottawa who gave him a token interview). With how he left Colorado, teams are rightfully staying away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Pascal Vincent (CBJ A-coach) must in the mix? Saw mentioned by some writer that he might be good option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 What happened with Kassian should not be held against Montgomery. Different people, Different situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 23 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Interesting. Whether the pressure cooker of Montreal is ideal for a recovering alcoholic is another question. Agreed. It would be a good test for him though. If he could survive the pressure and scrutiny of coaching in Montreal without a relapse then he has likely conquered his demons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 14 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Agreed. It would be a good test for him though. If he could survive the pressure and scrutiny of coaching in Montreal without a relapse then he has likely conquered his demons. Personally, I’d prefer that both the Habs and Montgomery didn’t risk it; but if that’s the decision both parties make, then hey, God bless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Personally, I’d prefer that both the Habs and Montgomery didn’t risk it; but if that’s the decision both parties make, then hey, God bless. It'd definitely be a risk but Montgomery was regarded as a more modern-thinking coach when he got the Dallas job. That seems to be a big thing for Hughes although Montgomery's time in Dallas could have changed that perception as well. And of course Ducharme had that reputation not long ago before this season exposing him to be anything but. At least he's a different name to consider than the usual suspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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