GHT120 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Adds a new piece From Sportlogiq's website: Our products offer insights that help teams make smarter decisions. We also help broadcasters and the media bring their audience closer to the game with deeper analysis. Sportlogiq is the industry leader for NHL hockey data-collection and advanced analytics. Sportlogiq tracks also every Swedish Hockey League game live as their official data partner. We are also the official data provider of the Professional Women's Hockey Players Association. So he has a background in the field AND experience in an NHL front office/management team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Amazing hire I am so excited to have our great Montreal Canadiens be part of the modern era now. I can’t wait to see what they build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GHT120 Posted May 14, 2022 Author Share Posted May 14, 2022 Possible prelude to a July 9th hiring (i.e., post-draft) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Further to @FriedgeHNIC’s report on Sean Burke heading to Vegas, I’m told the former Canadiens director of goaltending has the same title with the Golden Knights. He is also expected to work full time with their coaching staff. His contract with the Canadiens was expiring. https://t.co/Nzi2xtLjDC — Arpon Basu (@ArponBasu) June 25, 2022 firings since the day that Jeff gorton came in Marc Bergevin - Fired😀Sean Burke - leaving 😀 Trevor Timmins - Fired Scott Mellanby- Fired😀 Dominique Ducharme- Fired😀Luke Richardson- leaving 😭 Paul Wilson- fired 😀 Alain Gagnon- retirement Pierre Gervais- retirement 😭 — Lehkonen Revenge Tour (@Goalcaufield2) June 25, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 From Habs website: Hockey Operations Jeff Gorton, Executive Vice President, Hockey Operations Kent Hughes, General Manager John Sedgwick, Assistant General Manager Martin Lapointe, Director of Player Personnel and Amateur Scouting Nick Bobrov, Co-director of Amateur Scouting Christopher Boucher, Director, Hockey AnalyticsSean Burke, Director of Goaltending Vincent Lecavalier, Special Advisor to Hockey Operations Coaches Martin St-Louis, Head Coach Alex Burrows, Assistant Coach Trevor Letowski, Assistant CoachLuke Richardson, Assistant Coach Eric Raymond, Goalie Coach Mario Leblanc, Video Coach Player development Rob Ramage, Director of Player Development Francis Bouillon, Coach, Player Development Marie-Philip Poulin, Player Development Consultant Hockey development Adam Nicholas, Director of Hockey Development Professional scouting Eric Crawford, Director of Pro Scouting Nick Carrière, Director of Minor League Affiliates / Pro Scout David MacLean, Pro Scout Reid Simpson, Pro Scouting - West Amateur Scouts Christer Rockstrom, Chief European Scout Serge Boisvert, International Crossover scout Hannu Laine, European Pro and Finland scout Ben Shutron, Canada scout Bobby Kinsella, USA scout Vincent Riendeau, Goalie and Russia Pro scout Donald Audette, Quebec scout Matt Turek, Ontario scout Tommy Lehman, Sweden scout Michal Krupa, Eastern European scout Artem Telepin, Russia scout Yannick St-Pierre, Video scout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 In addition to officially announcing Sean Burke as Director of Goaltending and NHL goaltending coach, Vegas @GoldenKnights have hired John Stevens as assistant coach under Bruce Cassidy. — Frank Seravalli (@frank_seravalli) June 29, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 On 6/26/2022 at 1:05 AM, alfredoh2009 said: From Habs website: Hockey Operations Jeff Gorton, Executive Vice President, Hockey Operations Kent Hughes, General Manager John Sedgwick, Assistant General Manager Martin Lapointe, Director of Player Personnel and Amateur Scouting Nick Bobrov, Co-director of Amateur Scouting Christopher Boucher, Director, Hockey AnalyticsSean Burke, Director of Goaltending Vincent Lecavalier, Special Advisor to Hockey Operations Coaches Martin St-Louis, Head Coach Alex Burrows, Assistant Coach Trevor Letowski, Assistant CoachLuke Richardson, Assistant Coach Eric Raymond, Goalie Coach Mario Leblanc, Video Coach Player development Rob Ramage, Director of Player Development Francis Bouillon, Coach, Player Development Marie-Philip Poulin, Player Development Consultant Hockey development Adam Nicholas, Director of Hockey Development Professional scouting Eric Crawford, Director of Pro Scouting Nick Carrière, Director of Minor League Affiliates / Pro Scout David MacLean, Pro Scout Reid Simpson, Pro Scouting - West Amateur Scouts Christer Rockstrom, Chief European Scout Serge Boisvert, International Crossover scout Hannu Laine, European Pro and Finland scout Ben Shutron, Canada scout Bobby Kinsella, USA scout Vincent Riendeau, Goalie and Russia Pro scout Donald Audette, Quebec scout Matt Turek, Ontario scout Tommy Lehman, Sweden scout Michal Krupa, Eastern European scout Artem Telepin, Russia scout Yannick St-Pierre, Video scout I remember dlbalr arguing that Molson had gone somewhat cheap under Bergevin when it came to staffing the Habs’ organization. How does the above stack up relative to the best NHL franchises? I don’t mean in terms of the calibre of the people necessarily, but rather: are we missing any organizational roles/offices which most quality teams have? Or are we under-staffed in any areas relative to our competitors? It seems a fairly thorough org chart at first glance, but I’m no expert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I remember dlbalr arguing that Molson had gone somewhat cheap under Bergevin when it came to staffing the Habs’ organization. How does the above stack up relative to the best NHL franchises? I don’t mean in terms of the calibre of the people necessarily, but rather: are we missing any organizational roles/offices which most quality teams have? Or are we under-staffed in any areas relative to our competitors? It seems a fairly thorough org chart at first glance, but I’m no expert. I would not know how it compares to other teams. I would look to COL, ANA and TBL and compare to ARZ, BUF for contrast... but won't do, I just don;t know how to judge if one administrator is better than another. I wanted to show the remaining Bergevin hires that are on the cusp of being re-structured away. assistant coaches (Burrows, Letowski, Raymond, Leblanc), Lapointe, Ramage, Crawford, Rockstrom (retirement), and some of the scouts will probably be gone in the next year or so. Scouting is where I expect the next round of changes to the Habs. It is the area Gorton and Hughes would want to have their people (IMHO) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 3 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I remember dlbalr arguing that Molson had gone somewhat cheap under Bergevin when it came to staffing the Habs’ organization. How does the above stack up relative to the best NHL franchises? I don’t mean in terms of the calibre of the people necessarily, but rather: are we missing any organizational roles/offices which most quality teams have? Or are we under-staffed in any areas relative to our competitors? It seems a fairly thorough org chart at first glance, but I’m no expert. Player development is quite thin compared to a lot of other teams (it was just Ramage on his own for a bit before Bouillon joined). That's an element a lot of teams are investing in - more development/skill coaches. Pro scouting has bled a few people in recent years, and NA amateur scouting is woefully understaffed. One Ontario scout, 2 Quebec scouts, and one Canada scout isn't enough and they only have one scout for the whole US (college and USHS). That's pathetic. As for video scouting, that spot was non-existent before this season whereas some times have entire departments dedicated to it. Then there's the analytics department which has had no more than one person in it when they had one at all. Development coaches, a drop in pro scouts, a pitifully thin North America amateur department, plus minimal video and analytics. That list should be at least 10 people longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 29, 2022 Author Share Posted June 29, 2022 17 minutes ago, dlbalr said: Player development is quite thin compared to a lot of other teams (it was just Ramage on his own for a bit before Bouillon joined). That's an element a lot of teams are investing in - more development/skill coaches. Pro scouting has bled a few people in recent years, and NA amateur scouting is woefully understaffed. One Ontario scout, 2 Quebec scouts, and one Canada scout isn't enough and they only have one scout for the whole US (college and USHS). That's pathetic. As for video scouting, that spot was non-existent before this season whereas some times have entire departments dedicated to it. Then there's the analytics department which has had no more than one person in it when they had one at all. Development coaches, a drop in pro scouts, a pitifully thin North America amateur department, plus minimal video and analytics. That list should be at least 10 people longer. And by the end of the summer we will be in a position to judge what HuGo have built Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 18 minutes ago, GHT120 said: And by the end of the summer we will be in a position to judge what HuGo have built I am very critical of Hugh-Gort but even I do not think it would be fair to judge them at the end of this summer in 3-4 years, we will be able to tell. Next year after the UFA signing date we will have a good idea of the starting point to the transformation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 39 minutes ago, dlbalr said: Player development is quite thin compared to a lot of other teams (it was just Ramage on his own for a bit before Bouillon joined). That's an element a lot of teams are investing in - more development/skill coaches. Pro scouting has bled a few people in recent years, and NA amateur scouting is woefully understaffed. One Ontario scout, 2 Quebec scouts, and one Canada scout isn't enough and they only have one scout for the whole US (college and USHS). That's pathetic. As for video scouting, that spot was non-existent before this season whereas some times have entire departments dedicated to it. Then there's the analytics department which has had no more than one person in it when they had one at all. Development coaches, a drop in pro scouts, a pitifully thin North America amateur department, plus minimal video and analytics. That list should be at least 10 people longer. thank you @dlbalr , your view on this is very helpful in understanding the road ahead for the revamped Habs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I am very critical of Hugh-Gort but even I do not think it would be fair to judge them at the end of this summer in 3-4 years, we will be able to tell. Next year after the UFA signing date we will have a good idea of the starting point to the transformation Why would you be very critical? I have really liked almost every move they have made so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Why would you be very critical? I have really liked almost every move they have made so far. because, unless the Habs win a cup, all of this may be just a useless exercise in selling hope, and lodges, and paraphernalia of a loosing team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: because, unless the Habs win a cup, all of this may be just a useless exercise in selling hope, and lodges, and paraphernalia of a loosing team So, on a scale of 1 - 10, how would you rate them (Hughes-Gorton) on the job they have done since they have taken over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 28 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: So, on a scale of 1 - 10, how would you rate them (Hughes-Gorton) on the job they have done since they have taken over? N/A or NaN I liked their trade for Barron, I hated their handling of the goalie situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said: I hated their handling of the goalie situation Why? What should they of done? 2 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: because, unless the Habs win a cup, all of this may be just a useless exercise in selling hope, and lodges, and paraphernalia of a loosing team What is with the Eeyore outlook? I dont get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 11 minutes ago, DON said: Why? What should they of done? What is with the Eeyore outlook? I dont get it. it is just me being the rotten potato in the bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: it is just me being the rotten potato in the bag. If that is what you are trying to do then I give you a 10/10. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: If that is what you are trying to do then I give you a 10/10. LOL not being deceitful , I honestly feel this rotten about Hugh-Gort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 6 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: I am very critical of Hugh-Gort but even I do not think it would be fair to judge them at the end of this summer in 3-4 years, we will be able to tell. Next year after the UFA signing date we will have a good idea of the starting point to the transformation I meant about whether they build up the organization to a better size, covering all the bases … obviously it will take much longer to assess the quality/performance of on and off-ice additions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 6 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: because, unless the Habs win a cup, all of this may be just a useless exercise in selling hope, and lodges, and paraphernalia of a loosing team Like Bergevin and every other GM/management team since 1993? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, GHT120 said: Like Bergevin and every other GM/management team since 1993? not quite. Bergevin was screwed up with the Weber/Price/Drouin/Danault situation compounded by the Mailloux and Kotkaniemi situations I do not understand why he was allowed to start the season as a GM, knowing he was done His rookie coach imploded under the pressure and the players quit (IMHO) more on Bergevin than on DD When Gorton was hired, Molson promised an in-depth, long-term restructuring of the organization in order to have cup contending teams for multiple years Gorton has been chipping away methodically at the humongous task, Hughes has done some interesting trades. But together, Hugh-Gort has not yet delivered on their promise of transformation of the organization. The have set the expectations very high for themselves ==== Habs needed a president of Hockey Ops for many years, they now have Gorton in that role with more hands on than a Pierre Boivin or Ronald Corey. Bergevin did the work of 1.5 or 2 people for years and Hughes has a more focused portfolio to manage I expect the new Hockey Operations to deliver on excellence, quality of results and longevity of impact on the future. It is more than other GMs have had to deliver since 1993 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 6 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: When Gorton was hired, Molson promised an in-depth, long-term restructuring of the organization in order to have cup contending teams for multiple years Gorton has been chipping away methodically at the humongous task, Hughes has done some interesting trades. But together, Hugh-Gort has not yet delivered on their promise of transformation of the organization. The have set the expectations very high for themselves Transforming or restructuring an organization does not need to (and arguably should not) mean firing everybody. What it should mean is assessing the team that is in place, and evaluating them (fairly!) to determine whether they are capable of doing what is expected of them. Having been hired by the previous GM should not, in and of itself, damn anyone in the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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