Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said: I can rename the thread, any suggestions? … but on the thread will remain, as long as this guy is not yet drafted and the Habs still have a chance on the lottery; As I have stated many times before, the word "tank" is misused all the time on these boards. Montreal didn't "tank" last year, they were just a bad team. They are not "tanking" this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: As I have stated many times before, the word "tank" is misused all the time on these boards. Montreal didn't "tank" last year, they were just a bad team. They are not "tanking" this year. I know that for last season and this season I created the thread after I heard the TSN 690 morning duo talk about it on the radio I thought it would be a topic worthwhile for the forum. I didn’t expect the hate, but that’s what happens when you are “Living la vida” like a true root vegetable Edited November 18, 2022 by alfredoh2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 58 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I know that for last season and this season I created the thread after I heard the TSN 690 morning duo talk about it on the radio I thought it would be a topic worthwhile for the forum. I didn’t expect the hate, but that’s what happens when you are “Living la vida” like a true root vegetable It's not hate . Just differing opinions. I think it's certainly good to discuss where the Habs might end up, who will be traded at the deadline and who they might draft. It might be a little early for a 2023 draft thread. There is no hate coming from me, only peace. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 Just now, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: It's not hate . Just differing opinions. I think it's certainly good to discuss where the Habs might end up, who will be traded at the deadline and who they might draft. It might be a little early for a 2023 draft thread. There is no hate coming from me, only peace. Cheers. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 3 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: I can rename the thread, any suggestions?; No need, is fine as is sir, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Maybe Florida will do the tanking for us. Good work Columbus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 On 11/5/2022 at 1:53 PM, alfredoh2009 said: Great list! My take-away is that I want the Habs to build a strong core of elite players like TBL and PIT and to a lesser degree CHI in their hey-day (let's avoid the contracts and A-h*le culture) [...] Of the more recent teams that were in the finals, TBL and PIT had solid to-draft cores Great article: https://theathletic.com/3654328/2022/10/06/nhl-centers-rankings-mcdavid-draisaitl/ I was looking at teams that may need Monahan, couldn't find a team that would take his salary now. Maybe Detroit? List sorted in article as follows: EDM McDavid, Draisaitl TOR Matthews, Tavares PIT Crosby, Malkin CGY Lindholm, Kadri COL MacKinnon, Newhook FLA Barkov, Bennett BOS Bergeron, Krejci VAN Miller, Pettersson NYR Zibanejad, Trocheck STL Thomas, O'Reilly TBL Point, Cirelli DAL Hintz, Seguin NJD Hughes, Hischier SJS Hertl, Couture MIN Hartman, Eriksson-Ek ANA Zegras, Strome NSH Duchene, Johansen CAR Aho, Kotkaniemi WPG Scheifele, Dubois OTT Norris, Stützle NYI Barzal, Nelson VGK Eichel, Stephenson WSH Kuznetsov, Strome LAK Kopitar, Danault SEA Beniers, Gourde PHI Couturier, HayesDET Larkin, Copp CHI Toews, Domi BUF Thompson, MittelstadtMTL Suzuki, Dvorak CBJ Jenner, Roslovic ARZ Boyd, Hayton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 34 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: Great article: https://theathletic.com/3654328/2022/10/06/nhl-centers-rankings-mcdavid-draisaitl/ I was looking at teams that may need Monahan, couldn't find a team that would take his salary now. Maybe Detroit? List sorted in article as follows: I think Monahan will be a trade deadline deal with the Habs retaining 50%, much easier for teams to fit in then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 I suspect that story was written before the season started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, tomh009 said: I suspect that story was written before the season started. Yup, another one of my Captain Obvious statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 30 minutes ago, tomh009 said: I suspect that story was written before the season started. By Harman Dayal Oct 6, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: I suspect that story was written before the season started. By Harman Dayal Oct 6, 2022 yes, but poped up on my timeline last week for some reason ?! I didn't check: Good catch! The are sorted by "Duos' Projected GSVA" (WAR) stats, I'll update the numbers and post the results once I have a chance Edited November 22, 2022 by alfredoh2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said: By Harman Dayal Oct 6, 2022 yes, but poped up on my timeline last week for some reason ?! I didn't check: Good catch! The are sorted by "Duos' Projected GSVA" (WAR) stats, I'll update the numbers and post the results once I have a chance Here it is using WAR, I have not looked at CAP or injury situation, but from what these teams in bold were projecting at the beginning of the year, to now: they may benefit from adding Monahan TBL Point, Stamkos 2.8 VGK Eichel, Karlsson 2.4 NJD Hughes, Hischier 2.2 VAN Horvat, Pettersson 2.1 EDM McDavid, Draisaitl 1.9 DAL Hintz, Seguin 1.7 COL MacKinnon, Rodrigues 1.4 TOR Matthews, Tavares 1.2 PIT Crosby, Malkin 1.1 OTT Pinto, Stützle 0.9 LAK Kopitar, Danault 0.9 NYI Barzal, Nelson 0.9MTL Suzuki, Dvorak 0.8 WPG Scheifele, Dubois 0.8 BOS Bergeron, Krejci 0.8 SJS Hertl, Couture 0.6DET Larkin, Copp 0.6 MIN Steel, Eriksson-Ek 0.5 SEA Beniers, Wennberg 0.5 CGY Lindholm, Kadri 0.4 BUF Thompson, Cozens 0.4 CAR Aho, Kotkaniemi 0.4 CBJ Jenner, Sillinger 0.3 ANA Zegras, Strome 0.3 FLA Barkov, Bennett 0.3 NYR Zibanejad, Trocheck 0.2 PHI Frost, Hayes 0.2 NSH Duchene, Parssinen 0.1 ARZ Boyd, Bjugstad 0.1STL Thomas, O'Reilly 0 WSH Kuznetsov, Strome 0 CHI Toews, Domi -0.3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Whose WAR stats are you using? What's Monahan's WAR vs Dvorak's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Whose WAR stats are you using? What's Monahan's WAR vs Dvorak's? I am adding the WARs, like in the article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Habs not in the running; https://theathletic.com/4023286/2022/12/22/nhl-tanking-connor-bedard/ "With the league’s holiday break starting Saturday, this feels like the ideal time to take a closer look at the teams that have a realistic shot at increasing their odds for Bedard and company. Right now, it appears to be a six-team race, between the Blackhawks, Ducks, Blue Jackets, Sharks, Coyotes and Flyers. Can those teams pull off a tank? Do they want to? How will the trade deadline play into who goes in which direction? Who needs Bedard the most?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Yeah, at this point I think the Habs most likely end up in the 7th-9th (from bottom) range, unless they have a prolonged slump or a massive fire sale at deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 When Matheson and Edmundson were out to start the season, I was quite concerned about how the team would perform. It turned out there wasn't much change in team performance with them in or out of the line up. The team does not seem to have much compete with Monahan out. It could just be me, but it looks that way. So if the likelihood of dropping low enough to pick #1 is low, should you maybe look at signing him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted December 29, 2022 Author Share Posted December 29, 2022 On 12/26/2022 at 2:38 PM, tomh009 said: Yeah, at this point I think the Habs most likely end up in the 7th-9th (from bottom) range, unless they have a prolonged slump or a massive fire sale at deadline. Or both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 13 hours ago, BCHabnut said: When Matheson and Edmundson were out to start the season, I was quite concerned about how the team would perform. It turned out there wasn't much change in team performance with them in or out of the line up. The team does not seem to have much compete with Monahan out. It could just be me, but it looks that way. So if the likelihood of dropping low enough to pick #1 is low, should you maybe look at signing him? I really like Dach, but despite being strong on the puck and pretty talented, his production has plummeted since he was moved to C, and his FO% is terrible. The emerging evidence is that he really is better suited to W. In fact, I would rather put him back on the #1 line and shove some placeholder as 4th-line C, rather than allow Dach to revert back to the 30-point form he showed on Chicago. One can ask whether this current stretch of floundering is going to corrode the confidence he built up over the previous two months. Dach’s struggles at C mean that the rebuild has a significant hole in it, beyond G: we will need a 2nd-line C. So, to your point: I can see signing Monahan as a patch-up solution for 3-4 years while we cast around for that C. On the other hand, it shouldn’t be *that* hard to find a 2nd-line C via free agency over the next couple of seasons. I can imagine a future in which we fill that particular hole that way (unless one of our prospects convincingly projects to be an effective 2nd-line C within 3-4 years). Usually a club has to fill a hole or two via free agency, no matter how good their system is. Maybe this is that hole in our case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 10 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I really like Dach, but despite being strong on the puck and pretty talented, his production has plummeted since he was moved to C, and his FO% is terrible. The emerging evidence is that he really is better suited to W. In fact, I would rather put him back on the #1 line and shove some placeholder as 4th-line C, rather than allow Dach to revert back to the 30-point form he showed on Chicago. One can ask whether this current stretch of floundering is going to corrode the confidence he built up over the previous two months. Dach’s struggles at C mean that the rebuild has a significant hole in it, beyond G: we will need a 2nd-line C. So, to your point: I can see signing Monahan as a patch-up solution for 3-4 years while we cast around for that C. On the other hand, it shouldn’t be *that* hard to find a 2nd-line C via free agency over the next couple of seasons. I can imagine a future in which we fill that particular hole that way (unless one of our prospects convincingly projects to be an effective 2nd-line C within 3-4 years). Usually a club has to fill a hole or two via free agency, no matter how good their system is. Maybe this is that hole in our case. HuGo's plans for Dvorak will have an impact, as will the 2023 draft ... if they are lucky and get one of the top 2023 centre prospects then whether Monahan is worth 3-4 years will depend in part of whether Dvorak is around and on the Habs projected ETA for their 2023 draftee ... and then of course this is the question of whether there is the proverbial "one GM" who wants Monahan so badly that they will overpay in AAV and/or term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I really like Dach, but despite being strong on the puck and pretty talented, his production has plummeted since he was moved to C, and his FO% is terrible. His production has been plummeting for quite a while now. He has one goal in his last 21 games and most of those were still on the wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 I bet the advanced stat guys are saying..."I told you Habs were very bad and just temporarily overachieving". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 1 hour ago, dlbalr said: His production has been plummeting for quite a while now. He has one goal in his last 21 games and most of those were still on the wing. Eep 1 hour ago, DON said: I bet the advanced stat guys are saying..."I told you Habs were very bad and just temporarily overachieving". Well - they’re not wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 I love the idea of Dubois at second line C going forward, provided he takes a bit of a hometown discount coming off a strong UFA year. If Dach is a top six winger and not a centre, we still won that trade big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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