alfredoh2009 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) I couldn't find a thread for this. Starting one, sorry if I am duplicating Hey, the author of this article and I agree on a couple of things for pre-season! http://www.habsworld.net/2022/09/is-training-camp-already-showcasing-line-combinations-to-start-the-season/ But I do not agree with the projected season-start lineup... so, for the fun of it, here are my changes. Not sold on Hoffman playing against opponent's top lines, and I would showcase the pending UFAs: Dadonov, Drouin, Allen and Monahan ... to a lesser degree Byron Dadonov – Suzuki – CaufieldDrouin – Dvorak – Anderson Monahan – Dach - Gallagher (Monahan can take most faceoffs, may switch with Dadonov if he is healthy. Monahan and Gallagher can also help Dach establish himself) (*)Hoffman - – Evans – Armia (I like Hoffman, but I would try to showcase the other players. He can move up the lineup after the trade deadline) Pitlick (* for finesse), Pezzetta (* for grit) Matheson – Edmundson (*if not healthy, Barron goes here, and they play less minutes) Guhle – Savard (* seems like Savard is doing his best Hal Gill impersonation) Schueneman – Wideman + New D they claim on waivers, some examples: o- Bear or Coghlan from CAR o- Sean Walker from LAK o- Poolman, Burroughs, Juulsen from VAN Allen Montembault Edited September 29, 2022 by alfredoh2009 ficed typo on title Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 38 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I couldn't find a thread for this. Starting one, sorry if I am duplicating Hey, the author of this article and I agree on a couple of things for pre-season! http://www.habsworld.net/2022/09/is-training-camp-already-showcasing-line-combinations-to-start-the-season/ But I do not agree with the projected season-start lineup... so, for the fun of it, here are my changes. Not sold on Hoffman playing against opponent's top lines, and I would showcase the pending UFAs: Dadonov, Drouin, Allen and Monahan ... to a lesser degree Byron Dadonov – Suzuki – CaufieldDrouin – Dvorak – Anderson Monahan – Dach - Gallagher (Monahan can take most faceoffs, may switch with Dadonov if he is healthy. Monahan and Gallagher can also help Dach establish himself) (*)Hoffman - – Evans – Armia (I like Hoffman, but I would try to showcase the other players. He can move up the lineup after the trade deadline) Pitlick (* for finesse), Pezzetta (* for grit) Matheson – Edmundson (*if not healthy, Barron goes here, and they play less minutes) Guhle – Savard (* seems like Savard is doing his best Hal Gill impersonation) Schueneman – Wideman + New D they claim on waivers, some examples: o- Bear or Coghlan from CAR o- Sean Walker from LAK o- Poolman, Burroughs, Juulsen from VAN Allen Montembault I think it's way too early to talk about showcasing UFA's, that can come if/when they are out of the playoff hunt. That would send a pretty bad message to the team to worry about it now. The focus should be on player development and putting the pieces into the spots where they make the most sense. The pre season should give us a much better indication of where that should be, I suspect they will do a lot of experimenting. I am sure Dach will be given every opportunity to prove himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think it's way too early to talk about showcasing UFA's, that can come if/when they are out of the playoff hunt. That would send a pretty bad message to the team to worry about it now. The focus should be on player development and putting the pieces into the spots where they make the most sense. The pre season should give us a much better indication of where that should be, I suspect they will do a lot of experimenting. I am sure Dach will be given every opportunity to prove himself. I wanted to give feedback to the article author, I do not know his forum user ID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 23 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I wanted to give feedback to the article author, I do not know his forum user ID I don't think he has registered here yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 hour ago, dlbalr said: I don't think he has registered here yet. I value the effort and felt feedback would be nice to have. Even if it is only a few potato peels thrown around thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share Posted October 1, 2022 https://www.nhl.com/canadiens/news/twenty-three-players-cut-from-canadiens-training-camp/c-335942280 Depth chart of remaining players at camp/pre-season: Left Wing Centre Right Wing Caufield Drouin Dadonov Hoffman R.Pitlick Pezzetta Heineman Slafkovsky Harvey-Pinard Gignac Suzuki Dvorak Dach Evans Beck Richard Schnarr Simoneau Stephens Anderson Gallagher Armia Ylönen Mesar Belzile (*IR)Byron (*IR)Monahan Left Defense Right Defense Matheson Guhle Schueneman Harris Xhekaj Norlinder Leskinen Savard Wideman Barron Bowey (*IR)Edmudson Goalie Allen Montembeault Primeau Poulin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 with tonight's pre-season game against the Sens, I thing these are set forward pairs or trios: Caufield - Suzuki Drouin - Monahan Dvorak-Gallagher Pitlick - Evans Anderson will be on the top 6 for sure, I do not know where to put Dach if Monahan is healthy. On D, it seems like Guhle-Savard is a pair and that Schuenenman and Wideman are playing with other partners tonight but that those AHLers will be sent down, putting them back together. It means Matheson will e playing with "the RD to be named later"... Fun stuff La formation du #CH ce soir contre les #Sens Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky Pitlick - Evans - H-Pinard Heineman - Beck - Armia Pezzetta - Gignac - Ylonen Guhle - Savard Xhekaj - Wideman Schueneman - Harris — Luc Gelinas (@LucGelinasRDS) October 4, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) https://www.nhl.com/canadiens/news/twenty-three-players-cut-from-canadiens-training-camp/c-335942280 Depth chart of remaining players at camp/pre-season: Left Wing Centre Right Wing Caufield Drouin Dadonov Hoffman R.Pitlick Pezzetta Slafkovsky Harvey-Pinard Suzuki Dvorak Dach Evans Anderson Gallagher Ylönen (*IR)Byron (*IR)Heineman (*IR)Monahan (*IR)Armia Left Defense Right Defense Matheson Guhle Schueneman Harris Xhekaj Leskinen Savard Wideman Barron Bowey (*IR)Edmudson Goalie Allen Montembeault Primeau The GM of the Montreal Canadiens Kent Hughes announced Tuesday that the team has cut the following players and assigned them to Laval : - Filip Mesar - Mattias Norlinder - Alex Belzile - Mitchell Stephens - Anthony Richard - Kevin Poulin - Xavier Simoneau#GoRocket pic.twitter.com/4BIqF51MQX — Rocket de Laval (@RocketLaval) October 4, 2022 Les Canadiens ont retranché deux joueurs de leur camp d'entraînement. The Canadiens have released two players from training camp. O. Beck (Mississauga) B. Gignac (Laval)#GoHabsGo — Canadiens Montréal (@CanadiensMTL) October 5, 2022 Edited October 6, 2022 by alfredoh2009 removed Schnarr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 I think I can at least guess some of the players that will NOT start the season wit the Habs ... note that this is my guess as to what would happen, not my preference or proposal. Left Wing Centre Right Wing Caufield Suzuki Anderson Drouin Dvorak Gallagher Dadonov Dach Ylönen Hoffman Evans R.Pitlick Schnarr Pezzetta Monahan Slafkovsky Harvey-Pinard (*IR)Byron (*IR)Armia (*IR)Heineman Left Defence Right Defence Matheson Savard Guhle Wideman Schueneman Barron Harris Bowey Xhekaj Leskinen (*IR)Edmundson Goal Allen Montembeault Primeau That still leaves some hard choices up front and on LD. I'll assume Armia will be back (did not look so bad), Byron and Edmundson will not, and Heineman will be in Laval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, tomh009 said: I think I can at least guess some of the players that will NOT start the season wit the Habs ... note that this is my guess as to what would happen, not my preference or proposal. [...] you missed Ylonen, who is still waiver exempt. If Dach or Monahan can play on the top line, pushing the RWs down, that would solve the congestion at FW I would like the Habs to pick someone on waivers or to make a trade for a RD that can play 16min+ and defend. A shut down RD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 We can take Schnarr off the list of those still in camp, he was sent down over the weekend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said: you missed Ylonen, who is still waiver exempt. If Dach or Monahan can play on the top line, pushing the RWs down, that would solve the congestion at FW I would like the Habs to pick someone on waivers or to make a trade for a RD that can play 16min+ and defend. A shut down RD You are right, I think Ylonen is unlikely to start the season with the Habs. I don't foresee a trade coming before the start of the regular season. At the moment they'll be optimizing for the in-season LTIR cap limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 3 hours ago, tomh009 said: You are right, I think Ylonen is unlikely to start the season with the Habs. I don't foresee a trade coming before the start of the regular season. At the moment they'll be optimizing for the in-season LTIR cap limit. Agree about the trades ... for no particular reason I have a feeling that Jake Evans might be the first player to get moved ... not immediately or to "dump him" ... but I could see a team deciding he fits a need at a reasonable AAV and offer fair value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 7 hours ago, GHT120 said: Agree about the trades ... for no particular reason I have a feeling that Jake Evans might be the first player to get moved ... not immediately or to "dump him" ... but I could see a team deciding he fits a need at a reasonable AAV and offer fair value. He definitely is a great player for his AAV. As such, I'd only move him for a great return (like or close to what we got for Lekhonen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted October 6, 2022 Author Share Posted October 6, 2022 Depth chart of remaining players at camp/pre-season: (X) are waiver exempt players Left Wing Centre Right Wing Caufield Drouin Dadonov Hoffman R.Pitlick Pezzetta Slafkovsky(X) Harvey-Pinard(X) Suzuki Monahan Dvorak Dach Evans Anderson Gallagher Ylönen(X) (*IR)Byron (*IR)Heineman(X) (*IR)Armia Left Defense Right Defense Matheson Guhle(X) Schueneman Harris(X) Xhekaj(X) Leskinen(X) Savard Wideman Bowey Barron(X) (*IR)Edmudson Goalie Allen Montembeault Primeau(X) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Down to 13 non-eligible (non-injured) forwards and Four non-eligible D-men -- excluding Bowey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 11 hours ago, tomh009 said: Down to 13 non-eligible (non-injured) forwards and Four non-eligible D-men -- excluding Bowey. I am starting to think Bowey will stay with the team because loosing him on waivers would make a difficult situation worse. He has some NHL experience... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 59 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I am starting to think Bowey will stay with the team because loosing him on waivers would make a difficult situation worse. He has some NHL experience... Perhaps more importantly ... if they determine that Harris and Barron are not yet quite ready ... and can't find a better (if still not good) veteran place-holder on waivers, then they may be more willing to "sacrifice" Bowey than to be premature in giving a true prospect real ice-time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyrealist Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 If it were up to me today (and day to day injuries are good to go) Drouin-Suzuki-Caufield Dadonov-Dvorak-Gallagher Dach-Monohan-Anderson Hoffman-Evans-Armia Matheson-Bowey Guhle-Savard Xhejak-Wideman With Eddy: Edmundson-Savard Matheson-Bowey Guhle-Wideman Allen Monty PP1: CC-Suzi-Hoff Wideman-Drouin PP2: Andy (Gally) -Mono-Dach Mattheson-Guhle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyrealist Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 4 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: I am starting to think Bowey will stay with the team because loosing him on waivers would make a difficult situation worse. He has some NHL experience... Think you’re right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyrealist Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 2 hours ago, GHT120 said: Perhaps more importantly ... if they determine that Harris and Barron are not yet quite ready ... and can't find a better (if still not good) veteran place-holder on waivers, then they may be more willing to "sacrifice" Bowey than to be premature in giving a true prospect real ice-time. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 I'd play Matheson with Savard. Edmundson - Savard is a pairing where both guys do the same thing and neither moves the puck particularly well. Edmundson - Harris Guhle - Widerman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 A few worthwhile quotes from a long (and worthwhile) Kent Hughes article today in the Athletic, relevant to the pre-season decisions ... Quote “Everybody seems to be caught up with who’s going to start (the season in Montreal), who’s not going to start, but it’s a fluid process. It’s a day-to day-thing,” said Hughes, who is trying to avoid being overly influenced by what happens in the short window of one training camp. (...) “We’re not going to go and bring somebody in to make us slightly better on the blue line,” Hughes said. “We’ll bring somebody in to help put our young Ds in the right position to develop.” (...) “We’re watching the organizations we know that have too many defencemen, that aren’t going to be able to get into a 23-man roster without exposing somebody, and at the same time, we’re trying to continue to watch our players,” Hughes said. “Again, it’s game by game; a player has a really good game, then he starts to drop off the next game. I hate to make too many reads off one game, but if I’m uncertain with a young player, the better solution is the American Hockey League than forcing them into this.” (...) “I think our coach values both of those players, maybe more so than the media would, so we’re going to continue to watch and see how they perform and how they fit within the group and fit within the potential alternatives in terms of people pushing. I know Marty thinks Joel has more to give offensively and he’s hopeful that he’s going to be able to go and get that out of him. And I think he thinks of Hoffman as a hockey sense guy, and I think Mike Hoffman always was thought of as a shooter/goalscorer. And I see what he sees in Mike.” Anyone that wants to read for himself, I do have some 30-day guest passes to the Athletic left, just send me a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted October 9, 2022 Author Share Posted October 9, 2022 Well, after those two games against OTT, and some lackluster play from some players. Here is what I would like to see: Caufield – Suzuki – Dach (I would prefer to see Dach here than on a 3rd line) Drouin – Dvorak – Anderson (these three have been so-so in the games I've watched) Slafkovsky - Monahan - Gallagher (third line minutes may be right for Monahan and Gallagher, Slafkovsky has played better lately) Pitlick – Evans – Pezzetta Hoffman, Dadonov (Dadonov disappointed me, these two players cannot play on the 4th line) IR: Armia, LTIR: Byron Guhle – Savard Matheson – Kovacevic (*I hope he is better than what the Habs have) Schueneman – Wideman Bowey IR: Edmundson Allen Montembault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 6 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said: Well, after those two games against OTT, and some lackluster play from some players. Here is what I would like to see: I like the lineup and the thought process, but would flip Dach and Monahan ... I want to see Dach at centre and the wing would take some stress off Monahan's hips (less skating), at least to start the season. Compared to what CapFriendly shows as the NHL roster (when I checked at least, I expect it to be fluid for a few days), it adds Guhle, Kovacevic and Bowey, while demoting Harris and Barron ... my quick math puts that lineup a smidge more than $350K over the cap, even after LTIRing Price ... if Byron goes on LTIR that then wastes potential LTIR space by using a $3.4M contract on LTIR to "fix" the $350K-ish overage ... absent any trade for a $3M-ish player I expect that Byron starts the season on IR and Pezetta gets waived OR Slafkovsky demoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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